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if you could have the same experience as Moses, Buddha and all the great prophets...why wouldnt you? * 1
    #14265801 - 04/10/11 07:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Prabhupada samadhi:
It has been described as a non-dualistic STATE OF CONSCIOUSNESS in which the consciousness of the experiencing subject becomes one with the experienced object
this is just one example of a COMMON experience on psychedelics-
and we can list more- ecstasy, ego death, being reborn, salvation, rapture, glossolalia (speaking in tongues) etc...

in fact Mckenna has hypothesized that meditation, ecstatic dancing etc may not only be a way of facilitating these non ordinary states, but may have been developed as activities to perform while under the influence of these sacraments, what we are left with today may be the vehicle without the original engine that drove it

Psychedelics cause EGO DEATH- and in this state we can achieve unity with the divine- once the "i" is dead there is nothing left after-all- of course this is a METHOD of attaining unity, and all methods must be transcended in the long run, if we are to finish this- but remember that religion is another such method, and this too must be transcended-

here is a clip of Baba Ram Dass (partner of Timothy Leary in the 60's) describing a time when he gave his guru the Mahara-ji Neem Karoli Baba LSD and NOTHING HAPPENED!! he was already there!
(story starts at 7:00 however i recommend you watch the whole thing)

i came to the eastern traditions because they explained the experiences i had had, i wasn't learning anything, i was confirming my experiences- enlightenment isnt the ultimate goal, its the beginning of the journey of many strange experiences that are certainly "non-ordinary" states of consciousness, until we are one with Christ or Buddha Consciousness-

when we are on the path of divinity everyday is an experiment of enhanced and expanded consciousness, and when achieved without the substance/sacraments- these states stay permanently

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Re: if you could have the same experience as Moses, Buddha and all the great prophets...why wouldnt you? [Re: AwakenKundalini]
    #14265809 - 04/10/11 07:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't agree with McKenna on that at all. Meditation alone CAN bring you to those states with time. I don't doubt pychedelics have had an impact on history in ways we don't understand, but I do not think Buddha was tripping out. I think people underestimate the importance of ritual in the past.

Think of a world without telephones, television and video games. The world would seem so much more pure and beautiful without all of these things polluting are minds. I do however think that because of this substances like psychedelics can help us to transcend our current time period and experience eternity.


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Re: if you could have the same experience as Moses, Buddha and all the great prophets...why wouldnt you? [Re: AwakenKundalini]
    #14265810 - 04/10/11 07:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Being the Easter Bunny would be fun, too.


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Re: if you could have the same experience as Moses, Buddha and all the great prophets...why wouldnt you? [Re: Rocker232]
    #14265816 - 04/10/11 07:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

the Buddha had meditated to the point where he conquered his Ego... he claimed to HAVE SEEN THE MAKER OF THIS HOUSE-

he may not have ingested an entheogen, but he was certainly experiencing a non-ordinary state that you describe as tripping out-

whether or not Mckenna was right on that part the point of these rituals is to facilitate a non-ordinary state of conciousness in order to commune with the divine-

the question is can we really meditate to the point where we just fall out of the world and find ourselves in hyperspace?? i think yes- and the ones of us who are smoking DMT and shit today are the ones who in a previous life were able to accomplish this feat, we are picking up where we left off

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Re: if you could have the same experience as Moses, Buddha and all the great prophets...why wouldnt you? [Re: AwakenKundalini]
    #14265820 - 04/10/11 07:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

and it is said that the Buddha died from eating a poisonous fungus-

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Re: if you could have the same experience as Moses, Buddha and all the great prophets...why wouldnt you? [Re: AwakenKundalini]
    #14265827 - 04/10/11 07:38 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So one wonders what methheads, child molesters, and the Reverend Ted haggard did in "previous lives."

Because [powerful mind altering drug] X is true; doesn't sound like a very reliable proof of anything to me.


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Re: if you could have the same experience as Moses, Buddha and all the great prophets...why wouldnt you? [Re: blujay]
    #14265834 - 04/10/11 07:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

all those evils in the world are projections of yourself-

there is only one of us here and it is you-

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Re: if you could have the same experience as Moses, Buddha and all the great prophets...why wouldnt you? [Re: AwakenKundalini]
    #14265836 - 04/10/11 07:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I've honestly never heard that tidbit, but I'll have to check it out.

I honestly feel that reaching such states was easier in the past. Real solitude wasn't so far away and the world seemed to move at a much slower pace. I have to journey quite awhile to be in any real kind of solitude which I think is very important for meditative purposes. As far as the reincarnation angle, its certainly possible although I've yet to have an experience in my life that gave me any understanding of a past life or anything like that, but my eyes are open to it!

I really need to try and meditate the next time I trip. I've tried a few times but I was always eating acid that wasn't chilled out and I found it very hard to remain in a calm state and setting. Perhaps mushrooms would be better for the task?

Well, I'm off to feel the zen in the middle of suburbia.


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Re: if you could have the same experience as Moses, Buddha and all the great prophets...why wouldnt you? [Re: Rocker232]
    #14265845 - 04/10/11 07:44 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

ive had mystical experiences on mushrooms, lsd, dmt and hawaiian baby woodrose seeds-

and yes- meditation during the trip is necessary for divine encounters- when you take these sacraments as an extroverted pleasure thats all it is, but when used an an introspective tool- we can dicover our true self of which there is only one-

besides most trippers are afraid of a bad trip so they never go with it and many times never experience ego death-

everytime i trip, i prepare for death- for me this is the point, you can only hear truth when you shut up this monkey of a brain

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Re: if you could have the same experience as Moses, Buddha...blah blah blah [Re: Rocker232]
    #14265849 - 04/10/11 07:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't agree with McKenna on that at all. Meditation alone CAN bring you to those states with time. I don't doubt pychedelics have had an impact on history in ways we don't understand, but I do not think Buddha was tripping out. I think people underestimate the importance of ritual in the past.

Think of a world without telephones, television and video games. The world would seem so much more pure and beautiful without all of these things polluting are minds. I do however think that because of this substances like psychedelics can help us to transcend our current time period and experience eternity.



As someone who grew up mostly without cellphones, televion, and video games I can assure you that I just pissed away my time doing equally pointless things like carving sticks into swords and peeping at the neighbor girl.


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Re: if you could have the same experience as Moses, Buddha and all the great prophets...why wouldnt you? [Re: AwakenKundalini]
    #14265867 - 04/10/11 07:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well I hardly doubt your own experience is proof that its worthless for everyone. Anytime I go out of stae and am away from all of "this" I feel much more at home with who I am and what I am doing with my life. I love to sit under trees and to melt under stars. I haven't seen a true night time sky in about a year now and even that was only for a day or two. I'm not saying that anyone born out in the country is on a path closer to enlightenment; many people in the past took little to no advantage of the world they lived in, but I do think that at this stage in life I would greatly benefit from being out in the country rather than suburbia.

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ive had mystical experiences on mushrooms, lsd, dmt and hawaiian baby woodrose seeds-

and yes- meditation during the trip is necessary for divine encounters- when you take these sacraments as an extroverted pleasure thats all it is, but when used an an introspective tool- we can dicover our true self of which there is only one-

besides most trippers are afraid of a bad trip so they never go with it and many times never experience ego death-

everytime i trip, i prepare for death- for me this is the point, you can only hear truth when you shut up this monkey of a brain




Well not that I'm tripping for external pleasure; I always feel that when I trip I'm in a very long meditation session. I've simply never had a routine meditation session while under the influence of psychedelics although I do think "expanding your mind" through imagery and emotions with your eyes closed can really help to connect the many parts of your life that are seemingly out of joint.

I feel in the future when I have my own place psychedelics will play a bigger role in my spiritual development.


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What douche makes a subject title 105 characters long, really. [Re: AwakenKundalini]
    #14265876 - 04/10/11 07:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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all those evils in the world are projections of yourself-

there is only one of us here and it is you-




Unless you can actually provide (spoiler: nobody can)  reasons for me to accept your metaphysical premises that are more credible than the common sense knowledge that tells us otherwise; I will remain in doubt. This is called reasoning. Some people are apparently incapable...

I will throw you a bone and say no-one can prove an external-world exists. However, you'll be glad the scientists weren't sitting about pissing into the wind and actually getting practical advancements completed when the antibiotics keep you from collapsing in agony.


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Re: if you could have the same experience as Moses, Buddha...blah blah blah [Re: blewmeanie]
    #14265885 - 04/10/11 07:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

television is just like a psychedelic trip- it has been shown that even the visual waves produced by tv put us into a trance like state which heightens suggestibility-

we are bombarded by a visual and auditory experience just like in a trip, in fact a trip would probably be the closest thing to actually experiencing watching tv in our history before tv's entered the scene

the only problem is anyone who wants to pay top dollar can input whatever message they want into your highly suggestible trip= rather than psychedelics that only manifest what is within, which is truth and divinity-

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Re: if you could have the same experience as Moses, Buddha...blah blah blah [Re: AwakenKundalini]
    #14265895 - 04/10/11 08:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Dude Moses was the most badass cult leader that ever lived
I am so flattered when people tell me I look like him with my beard


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Re: if you could have the same experience as Moses, Buddha...blah blah blah [Re: AwakenKundalini]
    #14265896 - 04/10/11 08:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: What douche makes a subject title 105 characters long, really. [Re: blujay]
    #14265902 - 04/10/11 08:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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all those evils in the world are projections of yourself-

there is only one of us here and it is you-




Unless you can actually provide (spoiler: nobody can)  reasons for me to accept your metaphysical premises that are more credible than the common sense knowledge that tells us otherwise; I will remain in doubt. This is called reasoning. Some people are apparently incapable...

I will throw you a bone and say no-one can prove an external-world exists. However, you'll be glad the scientists weren't sitting about pissing into the wind and actually getting practical advancements completed when the antibiotics keep you from collapsing in agony.





thanks for the bone buddy...

i long ago stopped worshipping the rational mind, once i was introduced to divinity-

i only came to know this through my skepticism- and so you will as well= do not take my word for it- seek these answers for yourself- i know the answer i have recieved while not sufficient for you, has stopped the asking of the question within myself=

if you have not experienced psychedelics in this context i suggest you do- you can come to know these things yourself

remember that when Galileio went to prove to the pope that Copernicus was in fact right and the earth revolved the sun the Pope refused to look into the telescope, because he "knew" the earth was the center of the universe...

i have truth in my box here, dont miss out on it because your positive its empty and wont look

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Re: What douche makes a subject title 105 characters long, really. [Re: AwakenKundalini]
    #14265905 - 04/10/11 08:03 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

the external world only exists in the mind of the self- You are making all this happen, you are the infinite being...

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Re: What douche makes a subject title 105 characters long, really. [Re: AwakenKundalini]
    #14265911 - 04/10/11 08:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

but I'm thinking so I no I'm not part of his consciousness
unless he somehow instructed me to post this without my knowledge


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Re: What douche makes a subject title 105 characters long, really. [Re: AwakenKundalini]
    #14265918 - 04/10/11 08:06 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I have experienced enthoegens in full. I have "looked in the box" as much as anyone can. I meditate for relaxation and stress management.

That doesn't mean I should just abandon all sensibility and start placing complete and total trust in perspectives grounded in powerful drug experiences.

The sober mind is more powerful. You can argue all you want, but the people reverse-engineering single-cell life forms aren't tripping balls weekly; if they did, a lot less would get done.


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Re: What douche makes a subject title 105 characters long, really. [Re: Coaster]
    #14265921 - 04/10/11 08:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

there is only one SELF this time that awareness is aware of Coaster, in another instane it was aware of awakenkundalini

thats whats amazing, i AM you, writing this to the YOU that we are now!

"Evolution is a term to define only one organism, and thats the self. The self IS the universe, the alpha and omega, God, infinity. And thats the only thing that evolves, because we are all part of the self. Nothing goes through an evolutionary process alone or without direct benefit to the whole....So when you think about this hand behind the curtain leading this world to destruction, when you think the end is near, apocalypse, Armageddon. When you think we as a species are doomed- it is not THEY who did this it is YOU who brought this about. And with good reason, you are evolving! Stop blaming everything and everybody else, stop panicking about global tyranny and natural disaster and pay attention. Because the world is telling you something, it is telling you exactly what is wrong with you and how to fix it!"

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