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Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster
    #14265253 - 04/10/11 01:14 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

What kind of idiots toy with something that can in an instant, cause global extinction?

Shut them all down I say, all across the planet. All nuclear research and mining. Anyone got a reason to keep it going?

Convince me, because this is currently worse than Chernobyl(fresh threats that could persist indefinitely) in my opinion and I need some reasoning for this crap.


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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: linkamathingy]
    #14265281 - 04/10/11 01:26 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Never in history has any magician, mystic or war monger threatened to destroy the entire world and been able to follow through. But today the scientist can do that in the name of technological advancement.
Nuclear energy should be done away with

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: Greenvalley]
    #14266273 - 04/10/11 10:10 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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linkamathingy said:
What kind of idiots toy with something that can in an instant, cause global extinction?

Shut them all down I say, all across the planet. All nuclear research and mining. Anyone got a reason to keep it going?

Convince me, because this is currently worse than Chernobyl(fresh threats that could persist indefinitely) in my opinion and I need some reasoning for this crap.



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Never in history has any magician, mystic or war monger threatened to destroy the entire world and been able to follow through. But today the scientist can do that in the name of technological advancement.
Nuclear energy should be done away with



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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: linkamathingy] * 1
    #14266346 - 04/10/11 10:30 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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linkamathingy said:
What kind of idiots toy with something that can in an instant, cause global extinction?

Shut them all down I say, all across the planet. All nuclear research and mining. Anyone got a reason to keep it going?





My sun ray collector can charge my cellphone in just under two weeks. We should totally get rid of everything before we come up with an alternative.

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: Stein]
    #14267508 - 04/10/11 03:00 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

there are many alternative energy sources, ie zero point field energy development, rodin coils, and whatever despots have hidden from us through patents and classified information

i believe free energy is already possible, or at least that we are past using oil and being taxed through it's heavily artificial controlled price.

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: linkamathingy]
    #14267534 - 04/10/11 03:07 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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there are many alternative energy sources, ie zero point field energy development, rodin coils, and whatever despots have hidden from us through patents and classified information

i believe free energy is already possible, or at least that we are past using oil and being taxed through it's heavily artificial controlled price.



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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: linkamathingy] * 1
    #14271671 - 04/11/11 11:01 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

:facepalm:  What is with drugs and the internet that attracts so many ridiculous people, it boggles my mind.

Sure, I'll put banana peels in my gas tank too while I'm at it. 

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: despisedicon]
    #14272516 - 04/11/11 01:52 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

what is it with free energy that draws so much pseudoskepticism and close mindedness?

it sounds like perpetual motion is a main reason. people hear free energy they think, Impossible with loss of energy to friction and heat!

even if a physics "professor" said it's impossible, they are only human, subject to naivete, misinformation, and consensus thinking.

To remain on topic:

I don't care if {stopping nuclear power, mining} would create chaos, it's better than the chaos coming if even one power plant were to malfunction drastically.

We now have something worse than Chernobyl in our nuclear history. There's also the use of depleted uranium by the US government and others as weaponry. Nuclear bombs that we wouldn't even use on each other for fear of everyone setting them off at once.

How many idiots does it take to power a light bulb?

EDIT!!!: for clarity, sorry

Edited by linkamathingy (04/11/11 09:59 PM)

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: linkamathingy]
    #14272546 - 04/11/11 01:59 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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what is it with free energy that draws so much pseudoskepticism and close mindedness?




Might be due to the fact that it's never been done before...

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #14272557 - 04/11/11 02:01 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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what is it with free energy that draws so much pseudoskepticism and close mindedness?




Might be due to the fact that it's never been done before...




thanks for dropping in oh infallible one. say a "fact", cite a fact.


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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: linkamathingy]
    #14272625 - 04/11/11 02:16 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

So I have to cite that this free energy crap has never worked before?

How about you prove that it does work.

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #14272668 - 04/11/11 02:22 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i'm just drawing attention to the fact that your perceived absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

do your own work. http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/free-energy/ There's a briefer.

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: linkamathingy]
    #14272697 - 04/11/11 02:27 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Who made the claim first? You did, you claimed there was free energy in blah blah blah. And you did nothing to support your claim.

Oh, and thanks for the link to the Youtube video. That's practically a peer-reviewed journal. :rolleyes:

Garbage.

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: linkamathingy]
    #14272724 - 04/11/11 02:35 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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what is it with free energy that draws so much pseudoskepticism and close mindedness?




What do you mean be free energy?  A perpetual motion machine?  That would violate either the first or second LAW of thermodynamics.  Laws are laws.  If you don't like them, you should try out a different universe.

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I don't care if knocking out nuclear power would create chaos, it's better than the chaos coming if even one power plant were to malfunction drastically.




Seriously man, just re-read that statement a few times and think about how unbelievably illogical it is.  Inexpensive, reliable, abundant sources of electricity directly correlate with our standard of living. 

Why did the Japanese, who experienced a 9.0 magnitude earthquake, see deaths under 20,000 and the Haitians, who experienced only a 7.0 magnitude earthquake in 2010, experience over 300,000 deaths?

It's because Haiti is a shithole whereas the Japanese have a very high standard of living (i.e. strict building codes, more highly-educated populace, better emergency services, etc.).  That's all dependent on a reliable power source.

And there's no way in hell you're replacing that amount of power with solar panels and windmills.

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We now have something worse than Chernobyl in our nuclear history.




False.

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There's also the use of depleted uranium by the US government and others as weaponry.




And this has what to do with the civilian use of nuclear power?

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Nuclear bombs that we wouldn't even use on each other for fear of everyone setting them off at once.




And this has what to do with the civilian use of nuclear power?

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How many idiots does it take to power a light bulb?




Hopefully less than the number of 'renewable' energy sources it takes.


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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: linkamathingy] * 1
    #14273573 - 04/11/11 04:59 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I actually looked up the Rodin coil which you mentioned.

I found a hilarious video of this guy presenting what he has 'found'.



Look at this guy in his wife beaters presenting this thing on a giant tarp on the wall.

He then goes on to say how he's not an electrical engineer, and didn't make the coil, and that it is up to scientists to figure out how to use it. :lol:

What a fucking joke.

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #14274517 - 04/11/11 07:53 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i can't be bothered to prove something to you when you won't consider a viewpoint based on where a video is hosted.

lolz at your closemindedness. but it sucks for me.

i expect too much of people from the internet i guess. but others are guilty of the same.

addage: don't judge a book by it's cover

don't judge anything by one label, especially if it's your own, i can't really sit here and convince you to be open minded, i can give you links.

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: linkamathingy]
    #14274639 - 04/11/11 08:21 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

> i can't be bothered to prove something to you when you won't consider a viewpoint based on where a video is hosted.

Where the video is hosted is irrelevant.  You are claiming that thousands of years of science and experimentation are wrong, that millions of scientists and engineers are wrong, and that some guy with no formal training in science or engineering is correct.  And to top it off, you call us closed-minded?  Who is the one dismissing hundreds upon hundreds of million man-hours of experimentation?  Oh, but some high school dropout with a coil shaped like a UFO is somehow legitimate since he can post a video online.


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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: Seuss]
    #14274820 - 04/11/11 08:54 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

look it up brah, don't expect me to keep linking stuff. the internet is great for study.

if you have it and don't use it to learn constantly, it's like sitting in perhaps the biggest, most complete, library ever constructed and not reading.

don't tell me there is nothing greater than mainstream science though. that's another way to say common sense, and common sense fails sometime

the paradigm is shifting

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: linkamathingy]
    #14275520 - 04/11/11 10:46 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/12_05.html

in my opinion, which i admit is limited by a certain lack of research, this is worse than chernobyl. it can definitely be argued that it is just as bad as chernobyl though.

i guess in asking for good reason to continue using nuclear technology, i have to provide my reasoning for wanting to stop it. if it's not clear, ask.

edit: rodin certification/vortex based mathematics

Edited by linkamathingy (04/11/11 11:00 PM)

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: linkamathingy]
    #14276458 - 04/12/11 03:33 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think it's worse or as bad as Chernobyl.

The Fukushima reactors are 30-40 years old. They didn't build them to withstand a tsunami this big, which they should have done. Modern reactors are safer.

Nuclear energy is still one of the cleanest and safest energy sources. Coal plants leak all the time, it's part of the design (chimney). Fine particles from coal plants kill 10,000-100,000 people every year, by design. Then there is CO2 and global warming. And thousands of mining deaths each year.

What is the alternative? We need nuclear in the next 40 or more years. We can solve almost all waste and safety problems.

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: Annom]
    #14276476 - 04/12/11 03:44 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i don't really want to get into why CO2 will never cause a catastrophe.

i don't know how you can say clean, safe and nuclear energy in the same sentence.

nuclear energy is just steam engine technology with radioactive, intensely dangerous, coal. it's not even particularly advanced.

10-100k dead per year is better than the potential long lasting, cumulative effect of radioactive disasters on the entire planet, killing many more in the future.

thanks for trying to convince me guys. i was all for nuclear power until this disaster. i mean, homer simpson works at a plant! it's all american!

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: Annom]
    #14276509 - 04/12/11 04:22 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

> What is the alternative? We need nuclear in the next 40 or more years. We can solve almost all waste and safety problems.

Of we can "almost" make nuclear waste disappear, then we can "almost" make coal a clean energy source.  The question isn't what we can do, but what we are willing to pay to do.  So far, we aren't willing to pay the price for clean nuclear power.


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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: linkamathingy]
    #14277691 - 04/12/11 12:16 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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i expect too much of people from the internet i guess. but others are guilty of the same.




What, you expect people to just be gullible sheep and to just believe this garbage that you've presented without questioning it?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You've made the claim that there is free energy, with your only evidence being a Youtube video. And when asked for more conclusive evidence, you reply with "look it up brah"?

How about this, rather than posting a website promoting Rodin's own agenda, how about you find a third party of scientists or engineers who have actually examined his coil? And no, other Youtube videos will not suffice.

Also, did you actually look to validate Rodin's references on his site? I did some looking around, and from what I've seen he's made up references.

Look at this beauty on the website you posted: "Dr. Jonas Salk, offered to be Rodin´s personal physician and told him his work was so advanced he´d never complete it in his lifetime unless he cloned himself;"

Yeah bro, sounds really scientific... Bunch of shit.

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #14279044 - 04/12/11 05:04 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i'm sick of this debate, nuclear energy is a power only controllable by god or it becomes something that the original inventors didn't want it to be. Was it mastered to be nuclear weapons? nuclear plants? who cares. it sounds like 1 side doesn't understand we could do away with nuclear energy in 200 years, and another side bent on undoing all plants right away, even while losing jobs and everything. one side doesn't seem to get how paid girls iwth 36b types of boobs will sell you this nuclear plant supposed to last for 50 years. and not a single fucking nuclear plant ever lasted the time it was supposed to. The other side bothers me much less.

Look how zappa is basicly being a total jerk, do you have actions in nuclear plants? no.

so 1. masturbate to nuclear plants
  2. realize that you suck penises of people who would rape you if you didn't agree to suck their penis in the first place
  3. stop putting a laughing smiley to what people write when you disagree.

It's kind of irritating when you have people who don't COOPERATE into having a sensible and smart conversation.

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: linkamathingy]
    #14279476 - 04/12/11 06:27 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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there are many alternative energy sources, ie zero point field energy development, rodin coils, and whatever despots have hidden from us through patents and classified information




Good thinking, nobody could ever figure out what was in a patent could they?  I mean, once you file a patent, that info is lost forever- sure makes it difficult to avoid infringement, but them's the breaks in the top secret world of patents, right?  Airtight explanation right there :thumbup:  I guess this pretty much justifies every hypothetical technology equally well, in fact: flying cars, mind reading, E-meter's- all secret government patents. 

Same thing with classified info. I supose all the physicists worldwide are regularly briefed on top secret US classified data so they know what not to talk about or research.  That makes sense.  Since the only way they'd know what is classified, and the only way they'd be prohibited from disclosing the info is if they got a security clearance, I guess the US government has given every physicist in the world a security clearance and they all keep quiet about super secret 'zero-point-energy" that an undergrad could tell you wouldn't work, and why- and apparently the proponents of are utterly convinced of, yet can't quite figure out how it works.



I think you need to open your mind, brah.  I mean, all these people ask you for some justification for your endorsement and an explanation for the claims, and you just brush them of.  That seems pretty close minded, broham.  Its also consistant with someone who has no idea what they're talking about and gets fooled by third-rate conspiracy videos they don't understand yet are utterly convinced of.  (btw, why don't you back up your claim that nuclear power plants can cause human extinction as you claim... I'm interested in the justification for that one.

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: linkamathingy]
    #14282637 - 04/13/11 08:10 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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in my opinion, which i admit is limited by a certain lack of research, this is worse than chernobyl. it can definitely be argued that it is just as bad as chernobyl though




As of now, it is not as bad as Chernobyl.  My opinion is not ill-researched like your own.  Radiation release has been on the order of 10% of what was released at Chernobyl.  Chernobyl resulted in the death of 29 people from acute radiation poisoning - there were no such fatalities at Fukishima.  The reactor at Chernobyl actually exploded and burned openly in the atmosphere.  The reactors at Fukishima still retain their shape.  Chernobyl had no containment around the reactors unlike the Fukishima reactors. 

Chernobyl was a result of stupidly violating safety procedures by putting the reactor into a scenario that it should have never been put in.  That, coupled with an inherently unstable reactor design which is actually illegal to build in the US.

The Fukishima disaster was a result of a disaster of biblical proportions that has already taken over 10,000 lives and cost billions upon billions of dollars worth of damage to the country.  Put things into proportion.

Time can only tell what the total ramifications of this disaster will be and it will take time to sort through the information, especially when the country is still in ruins from the crippling earthquake/tsunami.  Based on what we know now, though, the disaster is not as bad as Chernobyl.


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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: pothead_bob]
    #14282854 - 04/13/11 09:22 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

close minded is the wrong term to use here, we're all in a certain state of ignorance and enlightenment.

I just really don't want to sit here convincing forum goers that free energy is possible and most likely has already been attained at sometime in humanity's existence.

maybe i do have to, to make the point of nuclear energy being useless?

All of humanity could travel the stars if it'd finally develop to the point of aiming outward instead of at themselves.

i based that rodin endorsement on more reading his papers and other things written about his math and coil.
I was told people on the internet don't like to read, and it's true of most americans in all parts of life, so i link videos for briefings of subjects. it's up to people to keep looking and not be offput by someones clothing or where a video is hosted.

Development is still early on the "Rodin" coil and vortex-based mathematics, but i had heard him and a team of engineers have developed it into engine technology. it's supposedly currently used to boost antenna capability for the US government in a few situations.

Thanks for the perspectives everyone, i don't talk to many people so this really helps me continue development.

pothead_bob: they upgraded Fukushima to a severity akin to Chernobyl on some international scale, and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission said it "could persist indefinitely." Time will tell, but that evidence tells me it's just as bad. You did help me understand Chernobyl better and calm me a bit though so thanks.

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: linkamathingy]
    #14282916 - 04/13/11 09:41 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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they upgraded Fukushima to a severity akin to Chernobyl on some international scale, and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission said it "could persist indefinitely." Time will tell, but that evidence tells me it's just as bad.




It, like Chernobyl, has been rated a 7, which is defined as a "Major Accident".  In more detail, the IAEA rating of 7 means:

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major release of radioactive material with widespread health and environmental effects requiring implementation of planned and extended countermeasures.




Well, a release of radiation that is 10% of Chernobyl is still a major release and may have widespread health and environmental effects.  That's why it has been upgraded to a 7, but the rating scale doesn't consider the finer details that I have mentioned.  At this point in time, Chernobyl was the greatest disaster the nuclear power industry has seen.


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I just really don't want to sit here convincing forum goers that free energy is possible and most likely has already been attained at sometime in humanity's existence.

maybe i do have to, to make the point of nuclear energy being useless?

All of humanity could travel the stars if it'd finally develop to the point of aiming outward instead of at themselves.




You need to start at the basics.  There are still centuries of scientific research that form a foundation of what we know.  You can't throw that all out the window in search of hypothetical beliefs.  A perpetual motion machine, for example, violates the first and/or second law of thermodynamics.  I'm not sure what you mean by free energy outside of that.


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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: pothead_bob]
    #14282938 - 04/13/11 09:46 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

well it's a good thing i'm not referring to perpetual motion machines, because that's supposed to be impossible in our paradigm.

i'm talking about zero point, aether field(which Einstein knew existed), the Akashic field, energy. i don't fully understand it myself, it's pretty complex obviously, but there are great possibilities.

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: linkamathingy] * 1
    #14282975 - 04/13/11 09:56 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

how do you know there are great possibilities if you don't understand it yourself?


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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: linkamathingy]
    #14283059 - 04/13/11 10:20 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

sigh. you took not fully understanding as being a complete know-nothing.

just because things are doesn't mean they have to be.

maybe it's alarmist to think we could cause nuclear death of the planet by being fucking stupid humans, but the Dark Ages didn't happen because people like to do intelligent things.

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: linkamathingy] * 1
    #14283691 - 04/13/11 12:36 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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I just really don't want to sit here convincing forum goers that free energy is possible and most likely has already been attained at sometime in humanity's existence.





Well I think most likely Leprechauns exist, and the Earth used to be made out of maple syrup. Oh, you don't believe me? Well I'm not going to waste my time trying to show you I'm right. Look it up brah.

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maybe i do have to, to make the point of nuclear energy being useless?




Well, it was pretty much a central point to your argument. Unless you're recommending we throw away all our technology and go back to picking berries.

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #14288826 - 04/14/11 08:23 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

The only qualm I have with nuclear, is that it has to be propped up with subsidies just like renewables.  It is far better than renewables, obviously, but it still pales in comparison to fossil fuels.

We should rely upon natural gas, coal and petroleum until the free market brings us the next thing.


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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: Hypercube]
    #14289986 - 04/14/11 01:06 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

We need fusion.  Everything else is just a wank.


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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: linkamathingy]
    #14314369 - 04/18/11 10:25 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

thorium is the key it is a lot safer than uranium.

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: Hypercube]
    #14316577 - 04/19/11 10:47 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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The only qualm I have with nuclear, is that it has to be propped up with subsidies just like renewables.




What subsidies are these?  The only nuclear subsidies that I'm aware of are R&D funding and the loan guarantees.  R&D funding has paid dividends in safe, effective, clean power generation.  The loan guarantees are only a problem if the utility defaults on the loan, which is less likely when the operating license approval process is streamlined.

It seems like the government intervention in nuclear has been geared to starting it up, but once it's running, it becomes one of the most economical power source available.

btw, I'm pretty sure the coal-power industry is no stranger to direct and indirect subsidies.


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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14316625 - 04/19/11 10:58 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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We need fusion.  Everything else is just a wank.




Agreed that we need fusion. I´m also optimistic it will happen. Fusion will, once its mastered, make fission obsolete over night.

The free market is going to eventually push fossil fuels out of the realm of possibility. Fortunately, this will also dovetail with exponentially more efficient technology in both energy storage and solar cell development. Solar is already getting cheaper, smaller and more efficient. While it is a ways off from affordably supplying adequate energy to vie with fossil, if minituarization keeps moving at its current exponential rates, solar should beat out fossil in the market well within my lifetime. I´m 30. More importantly, research suggests the amount of energy we will need will be satisfied by what is in the realm of possibility for solar cells. In other words, we know we can build it, its just not cheap enough yet. 

In the meantime the question is should we keep building nuclear plants? My answer is fuck no. Keep drilling. Fill the skies with soot and the oceans with oil before you fill them with fallout and discarded plutonium. I say INCREASE the burning of fossil fuels so we run out of them sooner. If it takes an energy crisis to roll out non-fission based renewable energy then bring it on. I am very optimistic about technology and markets working hand in hand on this issue, and don´t see anything that should make me feel otherwise other than idiotic fear-mongering. That and the fact that I haven´t seen any arguments against solar power technology being, one day, efficient enough that were credible. If you have them, please bring them forth.


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