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Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster
    #14265253 - 04/10/11 01:14 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

What kind of idiots toy with something that can in an instant, cause global extinction?

Shut them all down I say, all across the planet. All nuclear research and mining. Anyone got a reason to keep it going?

Convince me, because this is currently worse than Chernobyl(fresh threats that could persist indefinitely) in my opinion and I need some reasoning for this crap.


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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: linkamathingy]
    #14265281 - 04/10/11 01:26 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Never in history has any magician, mystic or war monger threatened to destroy the entire world and been able to follow through. But today the scientist can do that in the name of technological advancement.
Nuclear energy should be done away with

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: Greenvalley]
    #14266273 - 04/10/11 10:10 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

linkamathingy said:
What kind of idiots toy with something that can in an instant, cause global extinction?

Shut them all down I say, all across the planet. All nuclear research and mining. Anyone got a reason to keep it going?

Convince me, because this is currently worse than Chernobyl(fresh threats that could persist indefinitely) in my opinion and I need some reasoning for this crap.



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Greenvalley said:
Never in history has any magician, mystic or war monger threatened to destroy the entire world and been able to follow through. But today the scientist can do that in the name of technological advancement.
Nuclear energy should be done away with



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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: linkamathingy] * 1
    #14266346 - 04/10/11 10:30 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

linkamathingy said:
What kind of idiots toy with something that can in an instant, cause global extinction?

Shut them all down I say, all across the planet. All nuclear research and mining. Anyone got a reason to keep it going?





My sun ray collector can charge my cellphone in just under two weeks. We should totally get rid of everything before we come up with an alternative.

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: Stein]
    #14267508 - 04/10/11 03:00 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

there are many alternative energy sources, ie zero point field energy development, rodin coils, and whatever despots have hidden from us through patents and classified information

i believe free energy is already possible, or at least that we are past using oil and being taxed through it's heavily artificial controlled price.

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: linkamathingy]
    #14267534 - 04/10/11 03:07 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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linkamathingy said:
there are many alternative energy sources, ie zero point field energy development, rodin coils, and whatever despots have hidden from us through patents and classified information

i believe free energy is already possible, or at least that we are past using oil and being taxed through it's heavily artificial controlled price.



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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: linkamathingy] * 1
    #14271671 - 04/11/11 11:01 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

:facepalm:  What is with drugs and the internet that attracts so many ridiculous people, it boggles my mind.

Sure, I'll put banana peels in my gas tank too while I'm at it. 

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: despisedicon]
    #14272516 - 04/11/11 01:52 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

what is it with free energy that draws so much pseudoskepticism and close mindedness?

it sounds like perpetual motion is a main reason. people hear free energy they think, Impossible with loss of energy to friction and heat!

even if a physics "professor" said it's impossible, they are only human, subject to naivete, misinformation, and consensus thinking.

To remain on topic:

I don't care if {stopping nuclear power, mining} would create chaos, it's better than the chaos coming if even one power plant were to malfunction drastically.

We now have something worse than Chernobyl in our nuclear history. There's also the use of depleted uranium by the US government and others as weaponry. Nuclear bombs that we wouldn't even use on each other for fear of everyone setting them off at once.

How many idiots does it take to power a light bulb?

EDIT!!!: for clarity, sorry

Edited by linkamathingy (04/11/11 09:59 PM)

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: linkamathingy]
    #14272546 - 04/11/11 01:59 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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linkamathingy said:
what is it with free energy that draws so much pseudoskepticism and close mindedness?




Might be due to the fact that it's never been done before...

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #14272557 - 04/11/11 02:01 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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HeavyToilet said:
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linkamathingy said:
what is it with free energy that draws so much pseudoskepticism and close mindedness?




Might be due to the fact that it's never been done before...




thanks for dropping in oh infallible one. say a "fact", cite a fact.


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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: linkamathingy]
    #14272625 - 04/11/11 02:16 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

So I have to cite that this free energy crap has never worked before?

How about you prove that it does work.

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #14272668 - 04/11/11 02:22 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i'm just drawing attention to the fact that your perceived absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

do your own work. http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/free-energy/ There's a briefer.

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: linkamathingy]
    #14272697 - 04/11/11 02:27 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Who made the claim first? You did, you claimed there was free energy in blah blah blah. And you did nothing to support your claim.

Oh, and thanks for the link to the Youtube video. That's practically a peer-reviewed journal. :rolleyes:

Garbage.

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: linkamathingy]
    #14272724 - 04/11/11 02:35 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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what is it with free energy that draws so much pseudoskepticism and close mindedness?




What do you mean be free energy?  A perpetual motion machine?  That would violate either the first or second LAW of thermodynamics.  Laws are laws.  If you don't like them, you should try out a different universe.

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I don't care if knocking out nuclear power would create chaos, it's better than the chaos coming if even one power plant were to malfunction drastically.




Seriously man, just re-read that statement a few times and think about how unbelievably illogical it is.  Inexpensive, reliable, abundant sources of electricity directly correlate with our standard of living. 

Why did the Japanese, who experienced a 9.0 magnitude earthquake, see deaths under 20,000 and the Haitians, who experienced only a 7.0 magnitude earthquake in 2010, experience over 300,000 deaths?

It's because Haiti is a shithole whereas the Japanese have a very high standard of living (i.e. strict building codes, more highly-educated populace, better emergency services, etc.).  That's all dependent on a reliable power source.

And there's no way in hell you're replacing that amount of power with solar panels and windmills.

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We now have something worse than Chernobyl in our nuclear history.




False.

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There's also the use of depleted uranium by the US government and others as weaponry.




And this has what to do with the civilian use of nuclear power?

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Nuclear bombs that we wouldn't even use on each other for fear of everyone setting them off at once.




And this has what to do with the civilian use of nuclear power?

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How many idiots does it take to power a light bulb?




Hopefully less than the number of 'renewable' energy sources it takes.


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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: linkamathingy] * 1
    #14273573 - 04/11/11 04:59 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I actually looked up the Rodin coil which you mentioned.

I found a hilarious video of this guy presenting what he has 'found'.



Look at this guy in his wife beaters presenting this thing on a giant tarp on the wall.

He then goes on to say how he's not an electrical engineer, and didn't make the coil, and that it is up to scientists to figure out how to use it. :lol:

What a fucking joke.

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #14274517 - 04/11/11 07:53 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i can't be bothered to prove something to you when you won't consider a viewpoint based on where a video is hosted.

lolz at your closemindedness. but it sucks for me.

i expect too much of people from the internet i guess. but others are guilty of the same.

addage: don't judge a book by it's cover

don't judge anything by one label, especially if it's your own, i can't really sit here and convince you to be open minded, i can give you links.

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: linkamathingy]
    #14274639 - 04/11/11 08:21 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

> i can't be bothered to prove something to you when you won't consider a viewpoint based on where a video is hosted.

Where the video is hosted is irrelevant.  You are claiming that thousands of years of science and experimentation are wrong, that millions of scientists and engineers are wrong, and that some guy with no formal training in science or engineering is correct.  And to top it off, you call us closed-minded?  Who is the one dismissing hundreds upon hundreds of million man-hours of experimentation?  Oh, but some high school dropout with a coil shaped like a UFO is somehow legitimate since he can post a video online.


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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: Seuss]
    #14274820 - 04/11/11 08:54 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

look it up brah, don't expect me to keep linking stuff. the internet is great for study.

if you have it and don't use it to learn constantly, it's like sitting in perhaps the biggest, most complete, library ever constructed and not reading.

don't tell me there is nothing greater than mainstream science though. that's another way to say common sense, and common sense fails sometime

the paradigm is shifting

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: linkamathingy]
    #14275520 - 04/11/11 10:46 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/12_05.html

in my opinion, which i admit is limited by a certain lack of research, this is worse than chernobyl. it can definitely be argued that it is just as bad as chernobyl though.

i guess in asking for good reason to continue using nuclear technology, i have to provide my reasoning for wanting to stop it. if it's not clear, ask.

edit: rodin certification/vortex based mathematics

Edited by linkamathingy (04/11/11 11:00 PM)

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Re: Nuclear Politics: Considering the Fukushima Disaster [Re: linkamathingy]
    #14276458 - 04/12/11 03:33 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think it's worse or as bad as Chernobyl.

The Fukushima reactors are 30-40 years old. They didn't build them to withstand a tsunami this big, which they should have done. Modern reactors are safer.

Nuclear energy is still one of the cleanest and safest energy sources. Coal plants leak all the time, it's part of the design (chimney). Fine particles from coal plants kill 10,000-100,000 people every year, by design. Then there is CO2 and global warming. And thousands of mining deaths each year.

What is the alternative? We need nuclear in the next 40 or more years. We can solve almost all waste and safety problems.

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