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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
    #14201249 - 03/28/11 11:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Sorry for being impatient, its 1am and I'm trying to wrap this up

Thanks again for all the help

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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
    #14201289 - 03/28/11 11:32 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

yeah its fine...bag 3 looks fully colonized... atleast the bottom 2 pics look like it. the thing is youve only got 2 options: leave em in there and knead them and give them time or spawn an uncolonized bag and risk getting contams. id go the safer route and just give them time even though thyre showing alot of pins...i think i read RR posted soewhere pins actually help spped up the colonization....ill have to check and ill post the link

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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: damnyoumongorians]
    #14201351 - 03/28/11 11:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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yeah its fine...bag 3 looks fully colonized... atleast the bottom 2 pics look like it. the thing is youve only got 2 options: leave em in there and knead them and give them time or spawn an uncolonized bag and risk getting contams. id go the safer route and just give them time even though thyre showing alot of pins...i think i read RR posted soewhere pins actually help spped up the colonization....ill have to check and ill post the link




Yeah, I'd say the bag is about 95 percent colonized

So I guess its perfectly safe to knead a bag that has 20+ inch tall pins?

Thanks for the help

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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
    #14201372 - 03/28/11 11:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

yeah...you might not even find the pins in the grains after you knead it and it reaches 100%

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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: damnyoumongorians]
    #14201437 - 03/28/11 11:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

ok got it



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so could the pins just be happening because of too much FAE?



Yes.

You want four holes no larger than 1/8", although half that size is plenty.

Wait until the jars are 100% and then spawn to your bulk substrate, pins and all.  The pins will rapidly revert back to mycelium growth once spawned to bulk.  In the future, shake all grain jars at around 30% colonization, and they should be finished three to four days later.
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: damnyoumongorians]
    #14202425 - 03/29/11 06:09 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

alright cool,

i'm hoping it works the same for substrate that is already in bulk form.  My bags aren't grain, they're grain that had already been spawned to bulk.

As for bag #3, should I try to break the mushroom down thats on the side of the bag by kneading some more.  Is it better for the mushrooms to land somewhere in the middle of the bulk sub or on the outside wall like they are now?

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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
    #14202444 - 03/29/11 06:22 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I really wanted to transfer all the the bags into plastic containers in order to maximize my surface area, maximizing my yield.




I fail to see your reasoning.  A tray will have less surface area for fruiting than the colonized compost block itself.  You should just strip the plastic off the bag and fruit it that way.  Breaking up a colonized substrate block is not recommended.  You're supposed to shake/knead grain bags, but not bulk substrates.
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14202472 - 03/29/11 06:36 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

damn, thanks for the advice but I already broke everything up.

I guess I can fruit the substrate blocks as huge cakes whenever they recolonize?

what are your opinions on bag #3, should I shake up the bag again to break down the few long mushrooms on the side of the bag into smaller pieces?

IDK why I didn't just put the blocks right into the FC, definitely a lesson learned for next time.

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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
    #14202693 - 03/29/11 08:34 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

yeah wow im so sorry about that i didnt realize you had already spawned it and that was your mix....i thought it was your grains there and the first pic was after you mixed it with your sub. so sorry. you should be fine though

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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: damnyoumongorians]
    #14202706 - 03/29/11 08:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

you cant really put them in a container though once the subs colonized though you wouldve had to leave them in the bag, cut the top off and stick it in a sgfc



damn i feel bad now.

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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
    #14202716 - 03/29/11 08:47 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I guess I can fruit the substrate blocks as huge cakes wheneverif they recolonize?




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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: k00laid]
    #14206115 - 03/29/11 09:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

damn damn damn

My only fear is that the pins that are sporadically kneaded throughout the bag are going to rot when the bulk sub "try's" to recolonize.

What a horrible mistake, all I had to do was put the blocks in the FC and watch them grow.

Is there anyway to redeem myself here?  Maybe with bag 3 I can pick the few mushrooms on the side out and dump the contents in the FC?

Please let me know what you guys would do in this situation.

thanks again!

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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
    #14206674 - 03/29/11 10:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

any ideas?

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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
    #14207638 - 03/30/11 02:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

wait and see what happens.


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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: k00laid]
    #14264096 - 04/09/11 07:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

1 bag harvest successful,



About the other 3 bags that were messed up, 2 of them look like the recolonized.  I just threw them in a FC.  The bag on the left looks a little funky, maybe yeast? No idea?  They do look like the have recolonized a bit though.




The 3rd bag seems like it hasn't recolonized but it is growing more mushrooms?  I haven't put it into an FC yet.



What do you guys think about the 3 bags?

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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
    #14265047 - 04/09/11 11:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

anyone?

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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
    #14265161 - 04/10/11 12:41 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Let the bag that hasn't recolonized keep growing in the bag.... wait to harvest when the mushies are ready, then birth it and dunk, then try to get flush number 2.


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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: slapphappypill]
    #14266099 - 04/10/11 09:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

good call, thats what i'll do with that bad, i'll harvest it when ready and then dunk it and put it in the FC.

about the other two bags, do they both look good? should I get rid of the one on the left with the specks on it?

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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
    #14266731 - 04/10/11 11:52 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Should I isolate the cake on the left that looks like it has yeast?  Could it potentially contaminate the healthy looking cake on the right?

I probably won't get a chance to make another FC till the morning =/

Can anyone enlighten me on whats going on with these cakes?

I would really appreciate it

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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
    #14269293 - 04/10/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry to be a bother but anyone have any ideas?

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