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DMT vs Salvia?
    #14264996 - 04/09/11 11:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

So I heard that with salvia you tend to get more of a "scary" trip and DMT is more of a "pleasant" trip. How true is this if it is at all? If this is not accurate could someone please inform me about DMT and salvia?


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Re: DMT vs Salvia? [Re: converse63] * 1
    #14265038 - 04/09/11 11:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Totally different drugs

One difference, which I think explains the whole pleasant/scary thing, is the body high. DMT is euphoric, like intensely euphoric. Most good psychedelics are euphoric, that doesn't mean there isn't potential for dysphoria, that is up to you and your setting. Salvia isn't euphoric...at all. Its totally nasty, tingling pins and needles and being sucked into opposing vortexes. It doesn't feel good at all. It was a purely negative feeling for me.

They aren't even really similar except their durations. Before I tried either I thought they must be similar too, because if all you know are trip reports, they seem pretty similar. But man DMT was like blasting off in a rocket, salvia was like being torn apart by two rockets going in opposite directions.


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Re: DMT vs Salvia? [Re: converse63]
    #14265046 - 04/09/11 11:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Salvia for me is like your reality is lost in a strange disassociated dimension, for me it feels like hell, but with dmt it usually makes you blast into a intense hyperspace of complex psychedelicness.

Also for more info on trips check out erowid.


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Re: DMT vs Salvia? [Re: drr]
    #14265065 - 04/10/11 12:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Stay away from salvia that shits evil. I'm not one to characterize drugs to that extent.. but fuck savlia.. so negative. Dmt.. is pure bliss. Is .7 mushies your only pychadelic experience? Some here will tell you if so, to wade in the waters before doing DMT. Meh a DMT breakthrough was my first experience and even if I had my mushies and lsd trips before hand. It wouldn't have prepared me the least bit. Just go for it if you can


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Re: DMT vs Salvia? [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
    #14265116 - 04/10/11 12:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I did DMT, acid, and shrooms first in that order. Just my  :2cents:


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Re: DMT vs Salvia? [Re: drr]
    #14265128 - 04/10/11 12:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I would say that salvia can be euphoric, but it only happens rarely. It is usually when you are having a really good trip and the happiness manifests itself physically.

But DMT and salvia are way different. Just like shrooms and LSD are different, but more so.


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Re: DMT vs Salvia? [Re: Aser]
    #14265226 - 04/10/11 01:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I've had at least one incredibly terrifying experience on DMT.

I've only had incredibly weird experiences with salvia. And not many because the stuff is just unpleasant. Not scary (for my limited experience).. just weird and unpleasant.


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Re: DMT vs Salvia? [Re: Aser]
    #14265229 - 04/10/11 01:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Salvia sucks imho.

DMT is fucking crazy awesome!! MY friend just had his first breakthrough about thirty mins ago ..... all I can say is
fucking WOW ... hyperspace .... fucking amazing....

o and I'm a little drunk.... and I haven't drank in months..

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Re: DMT vs Salvia? [Re: drr]
    #14265458 - 04/10/11 02:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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drr said:
Totally different drugs

One difference, which I think explains the whole pleasant/scary thing, is the body high. DMT is euphoric, like intensely euphoric. Most good psychedelics are euphoric, that doesn't mean there isn't potential for dysphoria, that is up to you and your setting. Salvia isn't euphoric...at all. Its totally nasty, tingling pins and needles and being sucked into opposing vortexes. It doesn't feel good at all. It was a purely negative feeling for me.

They aren't even really similar except their durations. Before I tried either I thought they must be similar too, because if all you know are trip reports, they seem pretty similar. But man DMT was like blasting off in a rocket, salvia was like being torn apart by two rockets going in opposite directions.




Couldn't have said it better myself.


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Re: DMT vs Salvia? [Re: drr]
    #14265658 - 04/10/11 05:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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drr said:
Totally different drugs
They aren't even really similar except their durations. But man DMT was like blasting off in a rocket, salvia was like being torn apart by two rockets going in opposite directions.




Gotta throw my vote in as **this** being the best description EVER of the difference between DMT and Salvia.

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Re: DMT vs Salvia? [Re: drr]
    #14265704 - 04/10/11 06:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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drr said:
Totally different drugs

One difference, which I think explains the whole pleasant/scary thing, is the body high. DMT is euphoric, like intensely euphoric. Most good psychedelics are euphoric, that doesn't mean there isn't potential for dysphoria, that is up to you and your setting. Salvia isn't euphoric...at all. Its totally nasty, tingling pins and needles and being sucked into opposing vortexes. It doesn't feel good at all. It was a purely negative feeling for me.

They aren't even really similar except their durations. Before I tried either I thought they must be similar too, because if all you know are trip reports, they seem pretty similar. But man DMT was like blasting off in a rocket, salvia was like being torn apart by two rockets going in opposite directions.



Well said.


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Re: DMT vs Salvia? [Re: Glayvin]
    #14266239 - 04/10/11 10:03 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Salvia is DMT's retarded brother.


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Re: DMT vs Salvia? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14266829 - 04/10/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

DMT and Salvia are just really different. Theres no real similarities between either. A lot of people don't like Salvia because it doesn't give them a trip anything close to what they're expecting from it, while DMT has a much more obvious profound feeling to it which is much easier to integrate. Also, I think Salvia can be scary because a bad trip on it messes you up for a while after the effects are gone, while a bad DMT trip (which can be really terrifying) is over in 3 minutes leaving you feeling amazing.


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Re: DMT vs Salvia? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14266871 - 04/10/11 12:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Salvia is DMT's retarded brother.



If by that you mean, rainman retarded then maybe. Salvia is an intriguing tool, and to casually dismissed by people who don't seem able to get past physical discomfort to get to the insights


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Re: DMT vs Salvia? [Re: PorcupinesRevenge]
    #14266879 - 04/10/11 12:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

both are very very interesting
dmt IMO only because of the visuals that are not only very far from possible to capture satisfyingly in linguistic description but very hard to grasp while watching
it is very hard to wrap your mind around the forms that you see even though mentality in the dmt state is generally not confused
the visuals are baffling even on moderate doses
salvia I do not have much experience with and only small doses but it seems to me to be much more about the totality of consciousness
salvia does not seem to emphasize or lean towards visual as much as dmt IME


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Re: DMT vs Salvia? [Re: PorcupinesRevenge]
    #14266897 - 04/10/11 12:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I've never had a bad trip on salvia.  I find the drug pretty amazing.

When you don't break through, you get some really cool effects.  Most notably is the salvia laughing. Everything is just funny.  In addition, you can get some cool physics effects.  The salvia forces can make for a pretty fun experience.  You will feel your body pulled in different directions. I had one trip where the room seemed to turn upside down, another where I was pulled into the wall. My roommate had one where he couldn't walk into the room where me and my other roommate were in, because there was a froce not letting him into the room.

As far as breaking through, I only really have a few experiences.  One was when my girlfriend broke up with me, I just needed to escape reality for a bit, so I did about 2 straight hours of salvia hits, just taking hit after hit, and just kind of went into this black void, which was exactly what I needed at the moment.

Another time, I went into this world of basically just giant fans.  I was laying on one of the fan blades in the world just spinning around.  Another one I was looking at my yellow submarine poster, and was playing a Beatles playlist that I had on my iPod.  I got morphed into the world of the poster, and was dancing along with everyone in the poster to All Together Now.

I did have a friend have a bad trip on salvia.  He was transported to a 1950's style neighborhood and there was just a lady in a window telling him that it's over.  Another friend freaked out from the gravity distortion when not breaking through.

I think the best way to describe salvia is that you go inside your head.  I've never done DMT, but from everything I read, the trip manifests itself in your world, while slavia is all in your head.

I've never had a profound trip on salvia like I have with mushrooms or cannabis, so for me, salvia is just something I do if I want to have some fun.


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Re: DMT vs Salvia? [Re: EmbracetheMartian]
    #14267132 - 04/10/11 01:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Dabbled in DMT, love it of course. I'm just waiting till I go to Arkansas to try some salvia though. I like to experience everything a few times at least.


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Re: DMT vs Salvia? [Re: Joolz]
    #14267396 - 04/10/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Try using plain leaf salvia as a base for your dmt...takes it to a whole new level. 

I'd imagine if you used a salvia extract as a base with your deemsters you wouldn't remember any of your trip.


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