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gymnopilus palmicola
    #14262686 - 04/09/11 11:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

are gym. palmicolas active?  i seem to be finding some conflicting information regarding this.

also, is there a convenient source for KOH or NaOH outside chemical supply houses?

thank you in advance.

edit:  here are pictures of suspected gym. palmicola, as ID'd by Alan.


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Re: gymnopilus palmicola [Re: mcganky]
    #14262793 - 04/09/11 11:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

These are a match macroscopically for G. palmicola with the saffron yellow colors and the off-centered stem. I've read that they bruise green and are in the aeruginosus-luteofolius group, which leans towards them being active.

Some species of Gyms could also be slightly toxic.:shrug:

Your best bet for KOH is probably a supply house. Most Gyms will turn red to red/black in KOH anyways, so that's not a very definitive test.

What do they smell like?

Nice finds!


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Re: gymnopilus palmicola [Re: Bobzimmer]
    #14262830 - 04/09/11 12:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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These are a match macroscopically for G. palmicola with the saffron yellow colors and the off-centered stem. I've read that they bruise green and are in the aeruginosus-luteofolius group, which leans towards them being active.

Some species of Gyms could also be slightly toxic.:shrug:

Your best bet for KOH is probably a supply house. Most Gyms will turn red to red/black in KOH anyways, so that's not a very definitive test.

What do they smell like?

Nice finds!




i would say they almost smell like old, damp tea.  a mushroomy odor with a hint of "tea"ness.  hard to explain, not overtly powerful.  the spore prints i took on white were orange-brown.

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Re: gymnopilus palmicola [Re: mcganky]
    #14263062 - 04/09/11 01:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: gymnopilus palmicola [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #14263862 - 04/09/11 05:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

more pics, plus a little bluing. 


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Re: gymnopilus palmicola [Re: mcganky]
    #14263909 - 04/09/11 05:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If you need KOH "ph raise"  is potassium hydroxide in roughly 20% concentration.

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Re: gymnopilus palmicola [Re: jackgreen]
    #14263982 - 04/09/11 06:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

they look active to me.

:shrug:

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Re: gymnopilus palmicola [Re: bloodworm]
    #14263992 - 04/09/11 06:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

KOH reaction caused the 'skin' of the cap to turn very dark red. 

although macroscopically identical, and from the same patch, some of the gyms are not bluing.  is that normal for gyms?

Thanks, jackgreen, for the KOH tip!  i just happened to have PH raise under the sink.

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Re: gymnopilus palmicola [Re: mcganky]
    #14264020 - 04/09/11 06:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You can get food grade KOH (90% purity) off of ebay under the name potash flakes

http://www.amazon.com/Grade-Devil-Potash-Potassium-Hydroxide/dp/B0039CIQTI

99% NaOH is also available from same source asdrain opener, lye, soda lye, or caustic soda

BE SURE TO USE SAFETY GOGGLES AND NITRILE GLOVES WHEN HANDLING ANY STRONG BASE LIKE KOH OR NaOH!!!1

Also, not all "pH raise" is KOH either, it's usually Ca(CO3)2 or some like Ca2+-based weak base. Look at the ingredients list. Here's an example contain NaCO3

http://cms.marsfishcare.com/files/msds/ph_up_122309.pdf


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Re: gymnopilus palmicola [Re: mcganky]
    #14264083 - 04/09/11 07:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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although macroscopically identical, and from the same patch, some of the gyms are not bluing.  is that normal for gyms?



id say so. alot of gyms i have found showed no bluing reaction whatsoever and were extremly potent ( for gyms anyway). Ive also found patches of gyms where the aborts were staining blue, but the mature specimens showed none. (mind you this was in the midwest)


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Re: gymnopilus palmicola [Re: crokms]
    #14264132 - 04/09/11 07:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i guess i only have one more question.  does a KOH reaction of the type i observed (cap surface darkening to very dark red) rule out the toxic look alikes, such as galerina?

this is literally the first time i have found any gyms, as i have always only hunted on dung, so i would like to be as sure i as i can be that i don't have a bunch of poison.

thanks for your collective patience, y'all.

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Re: gymnopilus palmicola [Re: crokms]
    #14264140 - 04/09/11 07:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:congrats::awedance: Man that last pic you posted shows def BLUEING:awesomenod: a tea made with a BUNCH will def have you:trippinballs::awesomenod: i can clearly see some of them with vivid blue:congrats: ENJOY


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Re: gymnopilus palmicola [Re: sporeRider]
    #14264163 - 04/09/11 07:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

you people kick ass. 

i have ~75g young gyms, 1g dry copelandia cyan.

edited: wisco, got a recommended recipe or tek for gyms?

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Re: gymnopilus palmicola [Re: mcganky]
    #14264181 - 04/09/11 08:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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i guess i only have one more question.  does a KOH reaction of the type i observed (cap surface darkening to very dark red) rule out the toxic look alikes, such as galerina?

this is literally the first time i have found any gyms, as i have always only hunted on dung, so i would like to be as sure i as i can be that i don't have a bunch of poison.

thanks for your collective patience, y'all.



These aren't Galerina. Pholiota and Tricholomopsis can have red reactions.

Quote:

mcganky said:
you people kick ass. 

i have ~75g young gyms, 1g dry copelandia cyan.

edited: wisco, got a recommended recipe or tek for gyms?



It was all you, man. Thanks for sharing! You should save a specimen to send to someone who's interested in scoping it out.:cheers:


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Re: gymnopilus palmicola [Re: Bobzimmer]
    #14264223 - 04/09/11 08:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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These aren't Galerina. Pholiota and Tricholomopsis can have red reactions.

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It was all you, man. Thanks for sharing! You should save a specimen to send to someone who's interested in scoping it out.:cheers:




i will save a specimen. 

i literally found a bunch of them because i noticed that a patch of spanish moss that had draped over a fallen palm trunk was dark rusty brown.  i picked the moss apart, and sure enough, were some of these mushrooms that had shed so many spores it was ridiculous.  i have never seen that many spores off of so small a mushroom before.

thanks!

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Re: gymnopilus palmicola [Re: Bobzimmer]
    #14264247 - 04/09/11 08:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

80-150g's chopped up fresh or 8-15g's dry.
boil water.
add sugar, lemon and fresh ginger.
steep mushrooms in water for 30-45 minutes.
stir occasionally.
strain through coffee filter.
make sure to gently squeeze the extra love out of the gyms through the coffee filter with the back of a spoon.
serve chilled or warm.
enjoy.

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Re: gymnopilus palmicola [Re: bloodworm]
    #14264693 - 04/09/11 10:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i hope i don't die.

just in case i start to hurt, what would be the toxins to alert the ER doc to, since those can't be galerinas?

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Re: gymnopilus palmicola [Re: mcganky]
    #14264730 - 04/09/11 10:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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i hope i don't die.

just in case i start to hurt, what would be the toxins to alert the ER doc to, since those can't be galerinas?




dood. you are fine. 

breathe deep.

enjoy the majik gym.

*take a print and send it to me*

:grin:

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Re: gymnopilus palmicola [Re: mcganky]
    #14264739 - 04/09/11 10:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

dont sweat it man, its all good.  there is some mega blueing in those last pics! i hope you made some prints, i know id like one for my collection.:thumbup:

edit!! haha were saying the same thing at the same time blood worm!:grin:


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Re: gymnopilus palmicola [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #14264753 - 04/09/11 10:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i feel like super relaxed and kinda trippy.  on cup 3/3, zulu+20minutes.

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