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My first myco project - Teachers (Rye/Poo/Coir) - can i learn?
    #14264454 - 04/09/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hey shroomers!  Glad to finally start posting here...been lurking a long time and feel like i've gained a lot from your experiences! and im finally ready to start my own myco project.

While ive been saving for a proper PC i decided to order some pre-steralized rye bags and get some stuff colonizing.  My first attempt was a hawaiian strain (syringe) to rye bag with no luck...no mycelium, no contam, no activity what so ever...

This is my second attempt...Golden Teacher (syringe) to rye:



...these pics are 24 days after inoculation (knocked up on 3/16)

Im going to be bulking this one pound bag out to two lbs of H'Poo/Straw and casing (still trying to figure out what casing method im going to use)

So, how's e'thing looking so far from the pics i provided?  Tonight im building a 'tub-in-tub' style incubator that i'll finish this bag in along with two LC's im working on tonight as well.

Any input is welcomed/appreciated...thanks for having me guys/gals!  Much Love!!!


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Re: My first myco project - Teachers (Rye/Poo/Coir) - can i learn? [Re: madcapper]
    #14264600 - 04/09/11 09:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Those bags look a little shady. Looks wet as hell in the second pic :shrug:


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Re: My first myco project - Teachers (Rye/Poo/Coir) - can i learn? [Re: esquaredx]
    #14264848 - 04/09/11 11:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Sure you been lurking for a while? You're doing some things wrong.

1. Don't incubate unless the temperature regularly drops below 68F or so. You'll just be doing thermophilic bacteria a favor. So..no tub in tub unless you live in the arctic or a log cabin somewhere.

2. You don't need to case cubensis strains, they do fine without it.

3. That bag needs to be kneaded, big time. Correct me if I'm wrong but it doesn't look like it's been kneaded due to the absence of colonization on the sides/top.

And like esquaredx said, that bag looks pretty wet. May not be a bad thing, just sayin'. Condensation forms in PF jars and grain jars all the time.

Good luck, my suggestions just saved you a day's worth of work. :smile:


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Re: My first myco project - Teachers (Rye/Poo/Coir) - can i learn? [Re: afrosheen]
    #14265268 - 04/10/11 01:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well, i dont have very high ambient temps as we keep it pretty cool in our house.  Hence, the idea for the incubator.  Im going to go ahead and roll with the 'tit' because, well...i've already built it this evening :tongue:

Now, with all that being said, the heater in my res shuts off at 78F so im not too worried about high temps in this thing.  The only thing that startles me about it is the lack of gas exchange...but, i tend to check on the progress every couple/few days so maybe that'll be enough air exchange?

Also, what can i do differently to avoid the high condensation levels present inside this bag? or for future bags? 
Should there be an amendment in the grain prep?

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Re: My first myco project - Teachers (Rye/Poo/Coir) - can i learn? [Re: madcapper]
    #14265678 - 04/10/11 05:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Could the wetness be from shooting in too much syringe water? How many cc's were used?


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Re: My first myco project - Teachers (Rye/Poo/Coir) - can i learn? [Re: TheIndoCloud]
    #14265683 - 04/10/11 06:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: My first myco project - Teachers (Rye/Poo/Coir) - can i learn? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14265721 - 04/10/11 06:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Bacteria.



If its wet like that and kinda sticky then...
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Re: My first myco project - Teachers (Rye/Poo/Coir) - can i learn? [Re: Perun]
    #14265732 - 04/10/11 06:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

that myc looks goopy and clumpy... not fluffy and rizo


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Re: My first myco project - Teachers (Rye/Poo/Coir) - can i learn? [Re: slapphappypill]
    #14269564 - 04/10/11 09:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

any way to recover this bag? 

should i still try to spawn to this h'poo?

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Re: My first myco project - Teachers (Rye/Poo/Coir) - can i learn? [Re: madcapper]
    #14269574 - 04/10/11 09:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

and its actually not very 'goopy' imo. 

maybe not too fluffy either but looks okay other than a little wet on the sides of the bag.


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Re: My first myco project - Teachers (Rye/Poo/Coir) - can i learn? [Re: madcapper]
    #14341100 - 04/23/11 10:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well, I should've taken a picture of the fully colonized bag...its amazing how the myc took off and was fully colonized a brilliant, fluffy white, for several days before I transferred to a rich h'poo/straw/oyster shell sub.



Now, I'm hoping that I've done everything correctly so far (the mycelium smelled very fresh, like organic edibles from the market)  And i simply massaged the grain in the bag to break it all up and mixed it thoroughly into the prepared bag of pasteurized compost mix.

I've prepared all of this in an Otto style bucket (4.5gal) using micropore tape over holes placed at intervals above the sub (approx. 2.5") layer and at the to of the FC.

I guess the only thing im worried about is RH i there right now while its colonizing.  Im using Magic Mountain stuff from an online supplier recommended by shroomery.  This stuff is supposed to be at a nominal field capacaty?  But should i spray if it starts looking dry?  Or should I even look in at all?  Also, should I be using only distilled water to spray? 

Thanks in advance for any help I might get.  And no thanks to any noob flaming I might recieve for going about this, in this manner...

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Re: My first myco project - Teachers (Rye/Poo/Coir) - can i learn? [Re: madcapper]
    #14342223 - 04/24/11 04:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Leave it sit for 2-4 weeks. Then give light and FAE, Fan and mist as needed.

I gather you spawned to bulk, and that bulk needs to let the myc take over then consolidate.


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Re: My first myco project - Teachers (Rye/Poo/Coir) - can i learn? [Re: slapphappypill]
    #14342401 - 04/24/11 07:26 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Distilled water is unnecessary.  Tap water is fine.


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Re: My first myco project - Teachers (Rye/Poo/Coir) - can i learn? [Re: Trippy_Smurf]
    #14342587 - 04/24/11 08:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What you mean the bag needs to be kneaded??

And I'm 20 some days to colonize 1 pound of rye is a little excessive


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Re: My first myco project - Teachers (Rye/Poo/Coir) - can i learn? [Re: highc]
    #14342640 - 04/24/11 08:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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What you mean the bag needs to be kneaded??

And I'm 20 some days to colonize 1 pound of rye is a little excessive




Kneading the bag is tantamount to shaking jars at 20-30% colonization.  20 days isn't completely excessive if it's from MS.


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Re: My first myco project - Teachers (Rye/Poo/Coir) - can i learn? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #14343403 - 04/24/11 12:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Kneading the bag is tantamount to shaking jars at 20-30% colonization.  20 days isn't completely excessive if it's from MS.




On future bags (before i make my switch to WBS jars) im going to knead a bit more at 20-30%.  My lack of proper kneading on this bag made for some pretty long colonization times...more like 30 some days for this bag.  However, fwiw, when i broke up the myc in the bag it looked/smelled very healthy.  Fingers crossed...

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Re: My first myco project - Teachers (Rye/Poo/Coir) - can i learn? [Re: madcapper]
    #14364782 - 04/28/11 12:51 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

oh, the sweet sound of steam from the PC!  Thats right, no more online orders of pre-sterilized bags/jars.  I'm currently processing four quarts and four pints of WBS following the 6T tek (anyone still using this method?)

Got plenty of LC to fill out these jars w/ more of these GT's.  Will inoculate tomorrow and post pics when I see some movement..

As far as the bucket of substrate I spawned a few days ago (4/23)...its looking great!  I checked it out tonight (looking through the shower cap) and saw plenty of myco activity on the surface.  I'll post another pic before I case.

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Re: My first myco project - Teachers (Rye/Poo/Coir) - can i learn? [Re: madcapper]
    #14471808 - 05/18/11 05:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hey madcapper, great to see you trying a bucket, they are so easy... :mushroom2:

Your bucket looks great so far, just some tips -

- Your substrate could be a tad deeper if you want, but what you have already is fine.
- It should be colonised in a week or probably less, then expose to fruiting conditions.
- Regarding misting, I find 10-15 good pumps of mist the day you initiate fruiting is helpful, then just leave it be. If your substrate is drying out you can always mist a little, just lay off any misting once you get pins.
- Make sure you have plenty of FAE in your room - a fan is very important. I had a very cheap oscillating fan pointing at my buckets, on a cheap timer set to come on for half an hour at a time, 5 X a day. If temps are warm enough you can even fruit outside in a shady spot, and the breeze then becomes a free fan...

Lastly, be patient. I seem to find the more I fuss and fart with them, misting etc. the worse they grow. The best flushes Ive seen in buckets are ones that don't get touched.

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Re: My first myco project - Teachers (Rye/Poo/Coir) - can i learn? [Re: _OttO_]
    #14476574 - 05/19/11 01:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

_OttO_, thanks for dropping by!

I'll have some pics up before i harvest my first flush...thats right!  im almost there!  I now have a bucket full of fruits only a couple days after casing with a Coco/Verm/Lime mixture.

_OttO_Is there anything you prefer to do between flushes to re-hydrate?  I've heard of dunking...do you recommend that technique?

On a side note, i love the little spotted caps these guys are producing!  Simply gorgeous! :mushroom2:

P.s. Any useful advice on harvesting from these buckets is greatly appreciated. (i.e. when to pick, which fruits to harvest, which ones to leave for second flush, etc.)


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Re: My first myco project - Teachers (Rye/Poo/Coir) - can i learn? [Re: madcapper]
    #14477753 - 05/19/11 10:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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_OttO_Is there anything you prefer to do between flushes to re-hydrate?  I've heard of dunking...do you recommend that technique?




Once you have harvested, yes dunking is preferred.

Cover the now harvested casing with water from the tap and put the shower cap back on, leave it for 12-24 hours. It usually floats, this is ok - just sink it under a few times.

After this time, wash your hands well with soap. Then put your hand on the casing and invert the bucket, hopefully the casing will slide out and your left holding it - just be gentle. Rinse it off under a running tap, and then while holding it with one hand to drain, rinse the bucket out as best you can under the running water with the other hand. Shake excess water out and put the casing (big cake if you like) back in the bucket in the reverse order in which you took it out.

Then mist 10 or 15 pumps and put the shower cap back on, wait for second flush...

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P.s. Any useful advice on harvesting from these buckets is greatly appreciated. (i.e. when to pick, which fruits to harvest, which ones to leave for second flush, etc.)




You harvest all fruits plus aborts. Harvest any mushroom that has opened slightly, or leave them to fully open if you want to take prints. Clean the casing of all mushrooms once they are mature enough (sometimes this happens in stages when they grow at different rates). None should be left for a second flush!


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Re: My first myco project - Teachers (Rye/Poo/Coir) - can i learn? [Re: _OttO_]
    #14479934 - 05/19/11 05:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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You harvest all fruits plus aborts. Harvest any mushroom that has opened slightly, or leave them to fully open if you want to take prints. Clean the casing of all mushrooms once they are mature enough (sometimes this happens in stages when they grow at different rates). None should be left for a second flush!




Great, thanks again _OttO_, for the sound advice!

Now, im going to take some pictures because it'll be much easier than me explaining how this casing layer currently looks.  There is some patchy white myco on the surface and even on some of the fruits.  I'm starting to think that perhaps my casing layer wasn't deep/dense enough and was just too shallow in these patchy spots.  Any thoughts?  I'll have pics in a bit...im gettin stoned at the moment.


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Re: My first myco project - Teachers (Rye/Poo/Coir) - can i learn? [Re: madcapper]
    #14487834 - 05/21/11 01:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Here's those pics as promised earlier...along with some more questions



I only harvested the big ones from the bucket...i still wasn't sure if i could let the smaller ones mature before i do my second flush.  or am i missing something about flushes here?





Well, needless to say, im thrilled about this first flush/grow attempt! :thumbup:

But what next?  Patch the craters in the casing with fresh casing? Dunk the whole thing after I pick the rest of these guys?

I've added some more airflow to the room to try and get rid of the fuzzy white myco that seems to be accumulating on the bottom of the stems.

And thanks again, in advance, for any help guys!

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Re: My first myco project - Teachers (Rye/Poo/Coir) - can i learn? [Re: madcapper]
    #14487895 - 05/21/11 01:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

dunk after your done harvesting all the fruit, then yes, re-patch up the casing for the 2nd flush :bigjoint:

Very nice fruits btw for your first grow! :datass:


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Re: My first myco project - Teachers (Rye/Poo/Coir) - can i learn? [Re: slapphappypill]
    #14487974 - 05/21/11 01:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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dunk after your done harvesting all the fruit, then yes, re-patch up the casing for the 2nd flush :bigjoint:





So let me get this right...let the cubes i left in the bucket grow for a couple/few more days.  Then harvest the rest of them and clear the casing of all fruits/aborts.  Then dunk the 'cake' in the bottom of the bucket.  Then patch up the cratered casing and re-introduce to light/fruiting conditions?

Sorry for being such a newb :tongue:


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Very nice fruits btw for your first grow! :datass:




Thanks Pill!  And thanks for stoppin by w/ some advice!


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Re: My first myco project - Teachers (Rye/Poo/Coir) - can i learn? [Re: madcapper]
    #14488296 - 05/21/11 03:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Just made an insomnia generated venture to procure a dehydrator.  It seems to be a pretty base model with no adjustable settings.  I put these harvested cubes in the dehydrator on the top rack...we'll see what happens.

Now to puff a bowl and catch some zzzzzzz's

sometimes, I wish I weren't such a night:stoneowl:...but then again, it does make for a good time to do all of these fun little projects!


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Re: My first myco project - Teachers (Rye/Poo/Coir) - can i learn? [Re: madcapper]
    #14492541 - 05/22/11 02:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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So let me get this right...let the cubes i left in the bucket grow for a couple/few more days.  Then harvest the rest of them and clear the casing of all fruits/aborts.  Then dunk the 'cake' in the bottom of the bucket.  Then patch up the cratered casing and re-introduce to light/fruiting conditions?

Sorry for being such a newb :tongue:




Thats exactly right. You don't have to patch up the craters either if you don't want, I never do these days and it doesnt effect them much.

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Re: My first myco project - Teachers (Rye/Poo/Coir) - can i learn? [Re: _OttO_]
    #14537580 - 05/30/11 08:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Second flush!!!




Thanks for all the dunking information fellas!  It obviously worked wonders for me.  Definitely a few more fruits than the first flush.  I'll chime in with a dry weight when they finish dehydrating.:mushroom2:

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    #14537834 - 05/30/11 08:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: My first myco project - Teachers (Rye/Poo/Coir) - can i learn? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14541170 - 05/31/11 03:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Lot of confusion today...and not because of the potency of these fruits, but for the lack of potency.

A couple of friends ate an 1/8oz. each last night with little to no psychoactive effects.  Both 1/8's came from this second flush, and im trying to understand why these might not have been as potent as the first flush.

I'm using a dehydrator to dry these fruits.  But that didn't seem to effect the mushies in the first batch either.

Any ideas?  Also, i've heard/read some rumors that the 'Golden Teacher' strain is very inconsistent in its potency.  Any truth to this?


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Re: My first myco project - Teachers (Rye/Poo/Coir) - can i learn? [Re: madcapper]
    #14541568 - 05/31/11 04:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

well, im about to eat 2g's of these second flush fruits to test them for myself.

im dosing and heading out on my bike (no worries, im way out on country roads and trais, not in an urban setting) should be fun...we'll see!

meanwhile, any ideas/advice?


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Re: My first myco project - Teachers (Rye/Poo/Coir) - can i learn? [Re: madcapper]
    #14541930 - 05/31/11 06:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Multispore is a lottery. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Even fruit-to-fruit the potency can vary.

Also, GT has been known to produce duds. Probably just an overdone strain or not very good to begin with.


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Re: My first myco project - Teachers (Rye/Poo/Coir) - can i learn? [Re: afrosheen]
    #14566358 - 06/05/11 08:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

well, after trying some of these teachers for myself im feeling very satisfied.  No worries on the potency from me actually.  made for a very interesting bike ride.  They definitely weren't the strongest boomers i've experienced but they had about medium potency and medium duration.  I'm going to continue to work with these guys but i've got several other strains in the works currently...next up is cambodian, I'm casing another bucket tonight so maybe i'll post some pics of its progress in this thread as well.

The third flush from the original bucket is almost done...a few nice fruits, but nothing like the first two flushes.  I'll post some pics from that harvest in a couple of days.

So whats next?  What is the next step for me to isolate some potent mushies outta these 'strains'.  Cloning?  Any pointers in the right direction are much appreciated ladies and gentlement!


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