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There is no pleasure of this material world that doesn't come with more suffering 1
#14263936 - 04/09/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I truly believe this at this point. I'm done with the pursuit, it's truly fruitless.
I'm grateful.
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Re: There is no pleasure of this material world that doesn't come with more suffering [Re: Humility]
#14263971 - 04/09/11 06:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Spiritual World has suffering too
Edited by skatealex2 (04/09/11 06:37 PM)
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Re: There is no pleasure of this material world that doesn't come with more suffering [Re: Humility] 2
#14264264 - 04/09/11 08:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Counter-examples:
1) taking a satisfying dump 2) a fritatta that comes out perfect 3) that first gulp of a cold beer after a long day 4) fucking your significant other until she's just a sweaty mess of joy
If you're finding fault with that kind of stuff, well...
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Re: There is no pleasure of this material world that doesn't come with more suffering [Re: Humility]
#14264267 - 04/09/11 08:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Humility said: I truly believe this at this point. I'm done with the pursuit, it's truly fruitless.
I'm grateful.
If it was all pleasure, we wouldn't have anything to compare it to, so we wouldn't know we were experiencing pleasure.
Gotta have pain in order to have pleasure.
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Re: There is no pleasure of this material world that doesn't come with more suffering [Re: tyler_0_durden] 2
#14264747 - 04/09/11 10:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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So you are done seeking pleasure because you experience pain? Just kill yourself and end all your highs and lows.
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Re: There is no pleasure of this material world that doesn't come with more suffering [Re: SlashOZ] 1
#14265143 - 04/10/11 12:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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SlashOZ said: So you are done seeking pleasure because you experience pain? Just kill yourself and end all your highs and lows.
I don't quite know what I'm doing, but I certainly can't keep chasing after sensual pleasures. They always result in suffering; even after you've attained them!
There's got to be something else.
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Re: There is no pleasure of this material world that doesn't come with more suffering [Re: Humility]
#14265218 - 04/10/11 01:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You're not supposed to experience only pleasure. Suffering is a part of the ride.
And do not use that as a way to be content with suffering. You're not supposed to want or be content with suffering. Suffering is a part of being alive.
Surrounding yourself in pleasure/love is like surrounding yourself in the color blue.
Life is living itself. There's no you, just life living itself. That's what this is. And suffering is a part of it. Suffering is not bad, it's just something you're not supposed to like.
Edited by Unison (04/10/11 01:03 AM)
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Re: There is no pleasure of this material world that doesn't come with more suffering [Re: Humility]
#14265241 - 04/10/11 01:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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There's got to be something else.
B-E-C-A-U-S-E?
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Re: There is no pleasure of this material world that doesn't come with more suffering [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#14265402 - 04/10/11 02:26 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: B-E-C-A-U-S-E?
Question of the day.
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Re: There is no pleasure of this material world that doesn't come with more suffering [Re: Unison]
#14265415 - 04/10/11 02:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thank you for being so real, OC.
Edited by Unison (04/10/11 02:31 AM)
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Re: There is no pleasure of this material world that doesn't come with more suffering [Re: Humility]
#14266370 - 04/10/11 10:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Humility said:
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SlashOZ said: So you are done seeking pleasure because you experience pain? Just kill yourself and end all your highs and lows.
I don't quite know what I'm doing, but I certainly can't keep chasing after sensual pleasures. They always result in suffering; even after you've attained them!
There's got to be something else.
There is something else, and that something else is suffering. We've made all of our comforts and easily obtained pleasures, the universe didn't simply plop these things in our laps nor will it yours. If you aren't going to work for your own gratification I hope you don't expect someone else to.
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Re: There is no pleasure of this material world that doesn't come with more suffering [Re: Tropism]
#14267736 - 04/10/11 04:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Are we talking about suffering to the one who got happiness, or suffering in general, like: You take a dump and feel good, but someone else suffocates?
But when you take a dump, then again you need to suffer first in order to feel you need to take a dump to even get that happy relevation.
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Re: There is no pleasure of this material world that doesn't come with more suffering [Re: Humility]
#14268255 - 04/10/11 06:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Love is pain, it's true. But I think there are better and worse ways for suffering to manifest...however, if you are truly done with it that's beautiful and commendable.
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Re: There is no pleasure of this material world that doesn't come with more suffering [Re: tyler_0_durden]
#14269648 - 04/10/11 10:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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1) Implant electrode into NAc. 2) Stimulate neurons. 3) Repeat until death occurs.
Might not be what most people call a "fulfilling" life, but one does not need anything to compare pleasure to in order to feel it.
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Re: There is no pleasure of this material world that doesn't come with more suffering [Re: riaahacker]
#14269989 - 04/10/11 11:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Could you understand joy and pleasure if you didn't have suffering or pain?
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Re: There is no pleasure of this material world that doesn't come with more suffering [Re: Joolz]
#14270271 - 04/11/11 12:26 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Experience and understanding seem to me like two different things. Someone who comes in contact with painful stimuli will for the most part instinctively withdrawal from whatever caused it. The experiences seems on some level hardwired to produce certain responses without any conscious thought.
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Re: There is no pleasure of this material world that doesn't come with more suffering [Re: riaahacker]
#14270283 - 04/11/11 12:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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riaahacker said: Experience and understanding seem to me like two different things. Someone who comes in contact with painful stimuli will for the most part instinctively withdrawal from whatever caused it. The experiences seems on some level hardwired to produce certain responses without any conscious thought.
That's called instincts and years and years of evolution imo.
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Re: There is no pleasure of this material world that doesn't come with more suffering [Re: Joolz]
#14270296 - 04/11/11 12:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: There is no pleasure of this material world that doesn't come with more suffering [Re: andrewss]
#14270329 - 04/11/11 12:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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there is an end to suffering. in life
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Re: There is no pleasure of this material world that doesn't come with more suffering [Re: Goose]
#14270383 - 04/11/11 01:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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To the OP: Honestly...what'd you expect? No suffering? Its tangibly impossible.
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