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dwpineal
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Re: no matter how you look at it, lsd saved my life! [Re: joemolloy] 2
#14272584 - 04/11/11 02:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sometimes people just need the "step back" of another perspective to get outside the head/ego/whatever that psychedelics can provide. To dismiss the fact that psychedelics can be valuable tools is silly. By calling it the catalyst, seems to validate that very fact.
Sure people can have realizations w/o psychedelics, but that doesn't mean that if you have a realization on psychedelics that the psychedelic had nothing to do with it...
Sure this person could've waited for nature to provide him with the insight and thoughts that were manifested via the psychedelic experience. But many times, for those trapped in addictions, they have to spiral down a long dark path before they evaluate and come to the same conclusions. They could've waited until they'd hurt everyone around them, ended up in jail, dead (but that'd be waiting too long, right? ), etc.
I agree is would be dis-empowering to believe that someone NEEDS/requires a substance or anything external to come to powerful realizations about life. However I do not think anyone here said anything like that. Maybe you were just pointing out a most extreme case...
I also wish the same effects for everyone that takes psychedelics, so we're on the same page 
All rivers lead to the sea in some sense, once you're there, the mode of transport becomes inconsequential, so again, we're on the same page...
I think everything you said has validity, it just seems to me that there is an absoluteness in your words
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Do you need drugs to realize what he said? No fucking way.
I didn't specifically see anyone mention that one needs drugs to realize...
Anyway, not trying to stir anything up, just wanted to throw my 2cents in 
Light and Love, DW
Edited by dwpineal (04/11/11 09:10 PM)
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Re: no matter how you look at it, lsd saved my life! [Re: dwpineal]
#14273022 - 04/11/11 03:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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joemolloy said:
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smokintheherb said: Take THAT, joemolloy!
j/k sort of.
But congratulations man. Its time for you to live now 
Whether the OP wants to give Jesus credit, LSD credit, or a spiritual epiphany the credit, I believe that the sole responsibility and all of the credit or blame lies with the OP. It is dis-empowering to believe that someone needs drugs or Jesus to come to a powerful realization about life.
Think about what the OP realized.
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i came to the realization that life is so very precious and i was wasting mine away. i actually wrote myself a little note to find the next day. basically i told myself that i dont appreciate life and that i was being very ungreatfull to my family and friends and my higher power.
Don't you fucking get it? Do you need drugs to realize what he said? No fucking way. Those feelings and thoughts are readily accessible to us all and even a fucking child knows it. The drugs just take what we already know and temporarily amplifies it. In the OP's case, it was a push in the right direction and he needed it.
Any profound wisdom or epiphany I've ever had on drugs, I have also had sober just without the trumpeting angels and spiraling fractals. If you think you need drugs to realize shit, you're selling yourself short and may actually be creating another chemical crutch for yourself.
I commend the OP for changing his life for the better, but I think he should empower himself rather than give credit to a drug for making that change. If his new views on life are to be long lasting he needs to believe in his own strength, ability to perceive and survive, and not share those responsibilities with Jesus or LSD.
LSD may be the catalyst for him to improve his life and for that I am glad. I wish every tab dropped by shroomery members had such an effect.
it's not a secret lsd and other psychedelics is a powerful medicine when you look at all the studies showing it as a treatment for all types of psychological disorders.
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According to one study conducted in 1962, 65 per cent of the alcoholics in the experiment stopped drinking for at least a year-and-a-half (the duration of the study) after taking one dose of LSD
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/10/061007111350.htm
from the article Could an Acid Trip Cure Your OCD?
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In follow-ups two and three years later, researchers found that more than half the patients—and, in some instances, up to 90 percent—remained sober, according to Erika Dyck, a medical historian at the University of Alberta in Edmonton and author of an upcoming book on psychedelic psychiatry
http://discovermagazine.com/2008/jun/16-could-an-acid-trip-cure-your-ocd/article_view?b_start:int=2&-C=
compare that with a 5-10 percent success rate for AA
it may not be completely the drug, but to say lsd deserves no credit is just ignorant and goes against science
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Re: no matter how you look at it, lsd saved my life! [Re: bigmike7104]
#14274246 - 04/11/11 06:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've been off the forums for like two weeks, and this is the second post out of the two I've clicked that are bashin on joe molley.
what the hell did I miss?
that, by the way is not an invitation to bash some more, I thought we were here to understand and accept the opinions of others.
If not, then they might as well shut this place down, it'll be good for nothing but old dosage posts.
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Re: no matter how you look at it, lsd saved my life! [Re: Shroom_i]
#14281751 - 04/13/11 12:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hard core good for you. At least some of us know how affective these substances can be at therapy/healing/spiritual tools. No one ever said they are a must or its the only way to do it. There just a added bonus that just happen to help. (A lot at that) I have a close friend that smokes dirtys all day everyday. When ever he take a tab his physical addiction just vanishes. Not just his physical addiction(You know body aches, sweats, insomnia, head aches, shits....... blah blah blah (Physical addiction= Your body needs the drug cant function without it) but his mental addiction(You know when you just crave the high not actually need it) also just seems to vanish, not only does it vanish but for him to actually light up his coke laced crap while his third eye is open turns him off he feels bad when he smokes coke on tabs. He does not like it at all. Yet is he was not on tabs he cant be with out it. AT ALL! So to completely brush off the that they help is not exactly ok. But we do all have our own opinions. And should not be attacked or belittled for expressing them or trying to figure them out. WE ARE ALL ONE!!!!!!!!!!! WE ARE FAMILY!!!!!!!!!!! Act like it !!!!!! P.S. HELLO SHAMANS have been healing addiction and tons of other things with Psychedelics for some time now.
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Edited by ThUmB pRiNt (04/13/11 01:12 AM)
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Re: no matter how you look at it, lsd saved my life! [Re: ThUmB pRiNt]
#14283685 - 04/13/11 12:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well done hardcore.. keep it up LSD is the cure for all addictions!
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Re: no matter how you look at it, lsd saved my life! [Re: microdotty]
#14284607 - 04/13/11 03:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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good for you bro. i always say stick to psychedelics and you'll be good
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Re: no matter how you look at it, lsd saved my life! [Re: JahLambsbread]
#14337620 - 04/23/11 09:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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thanks everyone for all the good vibes.
and to joemolley and everyone else, i kind of understand what you mean. i do know this though, the way every thing came together that night and how everything unfolded the depth of understanding was not attainable by my simple mind. i give all the credit to lsd. i know i couldnt have done it without it, cause i tried. repeatedly.
and im still clean. just waitin on my ovoids.
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Re: no matter how you look at it, lsd saved my life! [Re: hardcorekid83]
#14337661 - 04/23/11 10:16 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Congrats! Keep it going, and going, and going! 
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Re: no matter how you look at it, lsd saved my life! [Re: hardcorekid83]
#15663606 - 01/14/12 01:22 AM (12 years, 19 days ago) |
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I was 19 years old the first time i ate acid and it changed me i seen the world the way it really is instad of how your taught to beleave it is. It truly changed me i had horrible times and awesome times iv tried to tell people who have never aten it what i went threw and they think im fucked but still its proven daily that i have a great head on my shoulders and i constantly think outside the box. I never ate it for years i went threw a hard breakup i was 100 percent straight no drinking even no pot no nothing and that was my choice. When she and my daughter leaft i tried oxy and it made me forget all the pain ihad inside i got hooked bad i spent all i had on it i lost my house and vehicles i lost it all i finally lied my way into a script. i was doing 120 40s a month and 60 dilly 8s and a bunch of morphin when i ran out. I spend 3 years in that hell. One day i had my daughter she told me dad you dont even look like you. I put the needle down that day but couldnt stay straight i cut down a lot went threw hell then i got the idea i remebered how lsd was morelike a tool for my mind then a drug. I bought like 25 packs of morning glory heavenly blue seeds and cinnamon bark oil and made a strong lsd like drug i ate it and it saved me. I had a life changing expierence and realized what i was doing to myself and all the oppurtunties i had thrown away cause of my addiction. I looked inside myself and found that strong 16 year old kid that was gonna conquire the world not the 27 year old that felt sorry for himself. Im 29 and iv been clean 15 months i now have a job that pays 90grand a year i got my life back. I quit 100 percent the night after the lsa i dont care what anyone says or who laughs a plant seed saved my life. the only people that have bad trips are those who are fucked INSIDE (and im not saying it is there fault but it is what it is) child molesters, would be murderers etc they see the truth cause of that high the way they really are and cant handle it or maybe im the fucked one......... If ya can relate to my mindset out there let me know cause its tough looking at things the right way when no one else does.....
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Re: no matter how you look at it, lsd saved my life! [Re: haditseenit]
#15674970 - 01/16/12 06:34 PM (12 years, 16 days ago) |
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i feel you man, youre not alone in the world.
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Re: no matter how you look at it, lsd saved my life! [Re: Shroom_i]
#15675041 - 01/16/12 06:53 PM (12 years, 16 days ago) |
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I beleive that weed and mushrooms saved my life in many ways. Weed psysically, shrooms spiritually.
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Re: no matter how you look at it, lsd saved my life! [Re: RedRainDrop]
#15675101 - 01/16/12 07:07 PM (12 years, 16 days ago) |
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love this. great post.
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Re: no matter how you look at it, lsd saved my life! [Re: hardcorekid83]
#15683239 - 01/18/12 12:21 PM (12 years, 14 days ago) |
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Awesome! Keep that momentum. LSD got me off off opiates & blow multiple times. The problem is, I always went back. After a while the psychedelics stopped working & I had to go the rehab, counseling & meetings route to get/stay clean. I could've saved myself & my loved ones years of pain & bullshit had I just lived by the message that I'd gotten from those trips.
My advice to you is to take what you learned & put it into active use. Replace the bad habits with positive ones. LSD & other psychedelics don't cure you; they'll just catalyze that spiritual experience/reboot....give you a second chance. Don't take that for granted & don't waste it. To stay on the right path takes work; it's a life-long process.
Good luck man, hit me up if you have any questions or need to talk.
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