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Chi in the real world
    #14262514 - 04/09/11 10:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

All of the UFC fighters are superb physical specimens, training hard in cardio, strength, flexibility, wrestling, boxing and so forth.

I don't see where chi comes in, and unsurprisingly (to me), the Asian fighters, in general, cannot stand up to their non-chi Western counterparts.


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Re: Chi in the real world [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14262548 - 04/09/11 10:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

mere size may play a part in that one lol, usually fighting in light or feather weight.


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Re: Chi in the real world [Re: Obey] * 1
    #14262553 - 04/09/11 10:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I am used to complete sentences.


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Re: Chi in the real world [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14262580 - 04/09/11 10:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

sry you'll just have to deal with my incorrect grammar. :grin:


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Re: Chi in the real world [Re: Obey]
    #14262609 - 04/09/11 11:00 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

WTF does size have to do with chi - especially with weight classes?


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Re: Chi in the real world [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14262637 - 04/09/11 11:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

well weight and size kind of go hand in hand.  :shrug:

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I don't see where chi comes in, and unsurprisingly (to me), the Asian fighters, in general, cannot stand up to their non-chi Western counterparts.




I never said it had anything to do with chi? I was just commenting on your statement by saying has to do more with weight and size.

stop trolling your own post man


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Re: Chi in the real world [Re: Obey]
    #14262646 - 04/09/11 11:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What has to do with weight and size? Are you on drugz?


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Re: Chi in the real world [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14262685 - 04/09/11 11:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

applications of chi in such areas as fighting, mma, ufc.
I was stating chi has less to do with those subjects than actual weight or size. 
asians are generally smaller and fight in the lower weight classes.


I think we're on two different pages here man.

Think about what you titled this post after all:
"Chi in the real world"


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Re: Chi in the real world [Re: Obey]
    #14262699 - 04/09/11 11:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

So Asians fight in the lower weight classes. What does that have to do with losing to similarly-weighted non-Asians? Try to make some sense.


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Re: Chi in the real world [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #14262726 - 04/09/11 11:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

OrgoneConclusion


you're acting like a little bitch.  who cares if he isn't using complete sentences, you know what he's saying.


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Re: Chi in the real world [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14262741 - 04/09/11 11:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Most North American mma fighters drift between weight classes depending on what title they actually think they can obtain, so it goes without saying that they would be more adept at fighting different sized fighters.  Most fighters in the asian mma federation generally stay within a lower weight class.   

Is your whole reason for being to just troll over everything?

I actually don't care if i get a day ban for this but [no no]


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Re: Chi in the real world [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14262892 - 04/09/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I see street lights turn off as I walk towards them once in a while, so I know my chi's intact s:bucktoothfattygangsta:


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Re: Chi in the real world [Re: Big Worm]
    #14264031 - 04/09/11 06:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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who cares if he isn't using complete sentences, you know what he's saying.




I don't know what he is saying. A 140 pound man is a 140 pound man no matter what his race. Sorry, I am not able to translate nonsense into English. :sorry:


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Re: Chi in the real world [Re: Big Worm]
    #14264360 - 04/09/11 08:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Big Worm,

Name calling and personalisms are against the rules in PS&P. If you can't debate the topic without resorting to calling people names, then don't post in PS&P. Try the OTD forum where insulting each other is how they debate there.

Consider this your warning.

Read the rest of the rules here before you post again:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4526664#4526664


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Re: Chi in the real world [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14264549 - 04/09/11 09:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Chi is a broad term and comes in many forms. There is a lesser chi which is equivallent to a minimal self, or the autonomous self.

Here are some examples.

Yuan Chi - The original or "Before Heaven" chi, this is the chi that is immediately inherited at the time of conception. Nothing you do can change this type of chi. 
Gu Chi - This is "After Heaven" chi and is derived from food. It is the chi of the spleen.
Kong Chi - This also is "After Heaven" chi but it is derived from air and is the chi of the Lung.
Zong Chi (Chi of the chest) - The gathering of both the Gu Chi and the Kong Chi.
Zheng Chi - This is "normal" chi, it is the product of the Zong Chi being catalyzed by the Yuan Chi.
Ying Chi - The nutritive Zheng Chi that nourishes the organs and tissue.
Wei Chi - The defensive Zheng Chi that circulates on the surface of the body and protects it from external factors.
Zangfu Zhi Chi - This is the Zheng Chi that flows through the organs.
Jing Luo Zhi Chi - This is the Zheng Chi that flows through the meridians.

http://www.usjjf.org/articles/chi.htm

To claim that they do not use chi is false, they just are ignorant of it, and these terminologies.


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Re: Chi in the real world [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14265738 - 04/10/11 06:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
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who cares if he isn't using complete sentences, you know what he's saying.




I don't know what he is saying. A 140 pound man is a 140 pound man no matter what his race. Sorry, I am not able to translate nonsense into English. :sorry:





You do know what i was saying, you just enjoying trolling on any mistake you can find. 
Somebody just wants to feel superior. 
Generally people do this to fill some kind of insecurity they have in real life, because if they were to do it in real like they would get their ass beat.


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Re: Chi in the real world [Re: Obey]
    #14266889 - 04/10/11 12:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

No, third time. I do not. Instead of the whining about my style and the puerile psychoanalysis, you might ACTUALLY try to clarify. Is it really that difficult to write what you are trying to communicate?


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Re: Chi in the real world [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14269749 - 04/10/11 10:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
All of the UFC fighters are superb physical specimens, training hard in cardio, strength, flexibility, wrestling, boxing and so forth.

I don't see where chi comes in, and unsurprisingly (to me), the Asian fighters, in general, cannot stand up to their non-chi Western counterparts.




I think it's a bit stereotypical of you to assume that all Asian fighters have been trained to harness, control, and assert qi. Qi originates from Ancient China. And by the Cultural Revolution, most, if not all, ancient Shaolin texts that defied Chairman Mao's beliefs were destroyed, including the temples which harbored them. Accordingly, those who practiced these arts were also imprisoned.


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Re: Chi in the real world [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14270986 - 04/11/11 07:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:rofl: @ this thread

chi does in fact equal bodily strength, also the mental concentration that the fighters have.  Of course, MMA is a pretty low-chakra activity so higher creative energies don't come into play so much.  Hence all the lame ass tattoos.


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Re: Chi in the real world [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14271001 - 04/11/11 07:51 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
All of the UFC fighters are superb physical specimens, training hard in cardio, strength, flexibility, wrestling, boxing and so forth.

I don't see where chi comes in, and unsurprisingly (to me), the Asian fighters, in general, cannot stand up to their non-chi Western counterparts.





Chi in fighting?

I have not studied thoroughly, but as I understand it, its more of a way of life, and one explanation would be that with certain movements and focusing your mind in certain points releases some chemicals in body, that give you some thorough good feeling.

I have not experienced it myself yet, as I have not done chi, but my friend, who is not a new-age type at all (doesn't believe in energies etc), practiced Tai-Chi, and told me that after each session his mind was too peacful to actually do anything beyond staring a tree.

So chi use in fighting really catches my surprise. I am beginning to suspect that those who claim they can use chi in agressive fighting sessions are commercial fakes who do not truly believe in its power (be it in scientific or new-age form, doesn't matter at this point).

Must look deeper into it.

Do Shaolin Monks believe in chi (aka the ultimate life force that can be directed to destroy things) or do they believe in scientific method of balancing forces correctly to break bricks? Or, is it just that we say force, they say chi, by actually rounding up all the types of energies we have?


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