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Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms?
    #14261129 - 04/08/11 11:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Someone please satisfy my curiosity. Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms?


I have read that some French bitch killed herself after eating some shrooms in Amsterdam. I have searched and have not found any other incidents of shrooms being linked to deaths in the Netherlands. So my question is why is that one French bitch so important that the Dutch would do a complete about-face on their most enlightened drug policy? Who was that bitch? Is her family into politics?



Also, I find it odd that the Dutch would ban cubensis and panaeolus but not sclerotia. Why did they do that? Was it just ignorance on the part of the Dutch politicians or were they actually granting a concession to the smart shops?


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Re: Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms? [Re: overstand]
    #14261136 - 04/08/11 11:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

maybe because sclerotia is a more mellow trip.
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i live in the us where everything is illegal


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Re: Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms? [Re: overstand]
    #14261138 - 04/08/11 11:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

NWO, your either in or your out


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Re: Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms? [Re: makaveli8x8] * 2
    #14261239 - 04/08/11 11:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The officials banned them because of a tourist suicide if I`m not wrong,and other tourists freaking around from taking too many shroomies for the first time.

I`m glad they did though.It`s wrong to sell  god`s gifts in a Coffe Shop to unexperienced people,then let them freak out in the city. When you are ready,find the :mushroom2: or the :mushroom2: will find you.


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Re: Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms? [Re: Damkina]
    #14261480 - 04/09/11 12:39 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I`m glad they did though.It`s wrong to sell  god`s gifts in a Coffe Shop to unexperienced people,then let them freak out in the city. When you are ready,find the :mushroom2: or the :mushroom2: will find you.




so... it should be illegal instead?


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Re: Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms? [Re: frisky_]
    #14261515 - 04/09/11 12:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

They got tired of being a destination for drug tourism and voted to change things. Ways the bug deal? :shrug:

I know I wouldn't want a bunch of French college kids on spring break or their printemps prance shrooming in my town. :nonono:


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Re: Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms? [Re: shroomie_glen]
    #14261546 - 04/09/11 01:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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maybe because sclerotia is a more mellow trip.
idk
i live in the us where everything is illegal




I live in Australia where EVERYTHING is illegal...:kingcrankey:

first country to ban salvia.. and trying to ban native plants.... fuckers.


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Re: Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms? [Re: mrckb]
    #14261574 - 04/09/11 01:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It's funny, they banned mushrooms but they continue to sell sclerotia or what they call truffles now. This is what the smart shop owners explained to me when I was there in July of last year, anyway. They still do the same thing, or nearly, but there aren't as many varieties as there used to be.


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Re: Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms? [Re: bonnahoo]
    #14261577 - 04/09/11 01:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Oh and yes it was because of the drug tourists and related death(s)


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Re: Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms? [Re: bonnahoo]
    #14261586 - 04/09/11 01:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It was because tourists were getting drunk and eating :mushroom2:. Which multiplies the high chemically in the body. 
And some girl walked off a bridge in amsterdam and died. Whick sucks but wtf  she was trippin alone i guess.
Basically noobs killd it.


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Re: Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms? [Re: DarkMatterOfFact]
    #14261722 - 04/09/11 02:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Noobs kill lots of stuff. Who do you think made salvia illegal? Noobs.


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Re: Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms? [Re: Shroomism]
    #14261732 - 04/09/11 02:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Noobs kill lots of stuff. Who do you think made salvia illegal? Noobs.


Its in my sig... the :devil: did actually :yesnod:


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Re: Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms? [Re: overstand]
    #14261733 - 04/09/11 02:39 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I have read that some French bitch killed herself after eating some shrooms in Amsterdam. I have searched and have not found any other incidents of shrooms being linked to deaths in the Netherlands. So my question is why is that one French bitch so important that the Dutch would do a complete about-face on their most enlightened drug policy? Who was that bitch? Is her family into politics?



Apart from the French girl, there have been two incidents around that time. One was about some moron who slaughtered his dog in the bag of his van in the middle of Amsterdam while stoned, drunk, high on shrooms and God knows what else. The other was some brainless dude who went driving while drunk, stoned and high on shrooms; he crashed his car on a pole right in front of a camp site. If not for the pole, he'd have run right through the campsite. Note that in both of these cases, shrooms were not the only drug involved. This was also true in the case of the French girl, who was apparently stoned out of her mind before she decided to ingest a hefty dose of shrooms. The French girl hadn't any political ties as far as I know, but these incidents were convenient for the Christian politicians who were in control at the time and they immediately grasped the opportunity to ban this satanic drug.

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Also, I find it odd that the Dutch would ban cubensis and panaeolus but not sclerotia. Why did they do that? Was it just ignorance on the part of the Dutch politicians or were they actually granting a concession to the smart shops?



This was actually a result of stupidity on behalf of the lawmakers. They copied an outdated and ill-informed list of species of psychoactive mushrooms from an Italian university's website. Within 24 hours of the legislation being publicized, the errors in the list were discovered, but the legislators didn't bother putting them right. Ps. tampanensis was not on that list. Nor was psilocybe cubensis, but it's extremely outdated synonym stropharia cubensis...


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Re: Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms? [Re: koraks]
    #14261735 - 04/09/11 02:41 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms?




Cause there the fuckin dutch :megacrankey:


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Re: Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms? [Re: Damkina]
    #14261740 - 04/09/11 02:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The officials banned them because of a tourist suicide if I`m not wrong,and other tourists freaking around from taking too many shroomies for the first time.

I`m glad they did though.It`s wrong to sell  god`s gifts in a Coffe Shop to unexperienced people,then let them freak out in the city. When you are ready,find the :mushroom2: or the :mushroom2: will find you.




So some stupid 16 year jumped out of a bus window.  Ulitimate freedom withouth responsiblity is stupid, of course.  When being in jail for lsd there has to be some legal way, somewhere in the world, where responsible adults can purchase it without shady conditions.


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Re: Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms? [Re: timelapses]
    #14261770 - 04/09/11 03:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well yes,pretty much I am fine with mushrooms being illegal.Who wants to use them for themselves, can grow them with little effort and knowledge.And if he is not greedy,there is a small risk involved.And talking of risks,we take risks everytime we cook,everytime we walk the street.The risk is too small for the rewards.

I would like to live in a world where everyone could appreciate the true value of psychedelics,and yes then,they could be all legal.But that is not the case.

Psychedelics are awesome tools indeed,but they should be used for terapeutic,spiritual,why not tantric purposes.:heart:

Using them for fun is egoistic. And risky too.


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Re: Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms? [Re: Damkina]
    #14261780 - 04/09/11 03:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:freshwtf:


There shrooms dude, they make you hallucinate. Putting a over sized value on the hallucinations they produce is far more risky then just taking them to have some fun or to explore your consciousness. Shit can easily lead to mental problems down the line if you take everything they make you experience way to seriously.


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Re: Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms? [Re: Damkina]
    #14261781 - 04/09/11 03:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

In my experience it was to break down the ego.  Reality in some extent to gain or gleam wisdom.  Of society and the world through my and yours filter.  And yes I believe in conditioning, societal condtioning.  Show me truth, and I will be open.


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Re: Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms? [Re: overstand]
    #14261812 - 04/09/11 04:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Cuz shroomz made them gay brah.


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Re: Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms? [Re: Yacub]
    #14261848 - 04/09/11 04:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It was only a matter of time before shrooms were banned in Amsterdam. I remember a time when they were everywhere. But unfortunately, a small minority need to ruin things for the rest of us, as per usual. There was just too many  tourists going over to Amsterdam for a few days with that attitude that swallowing shrooms was just like smoking weed - it was a must.


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Re: Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms? [Re: koraks]
    #14262597 - 04/09/11 10:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I have read that some French bitch killed herself after eating some shrooms in Amsterdam. I have searched and have not found any other incidents of shrooms being linked to deaths in the Netherlands. So my question is why is that one French bitch so important that the Dutch would do a complete about-face on their most enlightened drug policy? Who was that bitch? Is her family into politics?



Apart from the French girl, there have been two incidents around that time. One was about some moron who slaughtered his dog in the bag of his van in the middle of Amsterdam while stoned, drunk, high on shrooms and God knows what else. The other was some brainless dude who went driving while drunk, stoned and high on shrooms; he crashed his car on a pole right in front of a camp site. If not for the pole, he'd have run right through the campsite. Note that in both of these cases, shrooms were not the only drug involved. This was also true in the case of the French girl, who was apparently stoned out of her mind before she decided to ingest a hefty dose of shrooms. The French girl hadn't any political ties as far as I know, but these incidents were convenient for the Christian politicians who were in control at the time and they immediately grasped the opportunity to ban this satanic drug.

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Also, I find it odd that the Dutch would ban cubensis and panaeolus but not sclerotia. Why did they do that? Was it just ignorance on the part of the Dutch politicians or were they actually granting a concession to the smart shops?



This was actually a result of stupidity on behalf of the lawmakers. They copied an outdated and ill-informed list of species of psychoactive mushrooms from an Italian university's website. Within 24 hours of the legislation being publicized, the errors in the list were discovered, but the legislators didn't bother putting them right. Ps. tampanensis was not on that list. Nor was psilocybe cubensis, but it's extremely outdated synonym stropharia cubensis...





Thank you for the intelligent reply koraks. I would love to see some links to more info on this topic.

It amazes me how many people here just post shit that they do not know or that they think they know. This is Shroomery! This is the one place on the net that people should know the true history of shrooms!

The Dutch shroom delima baffles me because I know that the Dutch have faced a tirad of international pressure over thier marijuana policy. Yet still they have not caved in. It just does not make sense to me.

I have another question. Is it not true that much of what is known about magic mycology has come from the Dutch?


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Re: Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms? [Re: Damkina] * 1
    #14263745 - 04/09/11 04:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Well yes,pretty much I am fine with mushrooms being illegal.Who wants to use them for themselves, can grow them with little effort and knowledge.And if he is not greedy,there is a small risk involved.And talking of risks,we take risks everytime we cook,everytime we walk the street.The risk is too small for the rewards.

I would like to live in a world where everyone could appreciate the true value of psychedelics,and yes then,they could be all legal.But that is not the case.

Psychedelics are awesome tools indeed,but they should be used for terapeutic,spiritual,why not tantric purposes.:heart:

Using them for fun is egoistic. And risky too.




Using them for fun is egoistic? Now, don't get me wrong, I find the psychedelic experience important to me too.

Why should people who just want to have fun be excluded from all the excitement? What kind of psychedelic elitism bullshit is this? :thumbdown:


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Re: Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms? [Re: frisky_]
    #14265436 - 04/10/11 02:41 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Damkina said:
Well yes,pretty much I am fine with mushrooms being illegal.Who wants to use them for themselves, can grow them with little effort and knowledge.And if he is not greedy,there is a small risk involved.And talking of risks,we take risks everytime we cook,everytime we walk the street.The risk is too small for the rewards.

I would like to live in a world where everyone could appreciate the true value of psychedelics,and yes then,they could be all legal.But that is not the case.

Psychedelics are awesome tools indeed,but they should be used for terapeutic,spiritual,why not tantric purposes.:heart:

Using them for fun is egoistic. And risky too.




Using them for fun is egoistic? Now, don't get me wrong, I find the psychedelic experience important to me too.

Why should people who just want to have fun be excluded from all the excitement? What kind of psychedelic elitism bullshit is this? :thumbdown:




The worst kind....
NATIONALISTIC psychedelic type!


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Re: Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms? [Re: overstand]
    #14265503 - 04/10/11 03:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The Dutch shroom delima baffles me because I know that the Dutch have faced a tirad of international pressure over thier marijuana policy. Yet still they have not caved in. It just does not make sense to me.



I'm not sure how bad that international pressure is exactly. There was a time during the end of the 1990s when we got some flack from the international community for being an 'état narco', or drug state. But then 9/11 came and the world (reach: the US gov't) decided to shift focus in the international arena away from the War on Drugs in favor of terrorism. Since then, I only hear of relatively minor political skirmishes with Germany, France and Belgium because lots of youngsters from those countries hop just over the border to score some pot. This creates significant drug-related traffic near the borders, and illegal sellers tap into that by (usually aggressively) trying to get foreign cars to stop in order to flog their drugs to the passengers. There are frequent actions to deal with this, including transnational police activities. I have the impression that this is more of a police matter than an actual political matter, though. It seems that many (most?) Europeans sort of tolerate the fact that pot is procured so easily in The Netherlands.

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I have another question. Is it not true that much of what is known about magic mycology has come from the Dutch?



I'm not aware of any significant role of the Dutch in terms of mycology of magic mushrooms. We have a few domestic authors who have written some educational/promotional texts on the subject, but I think they have very little influence on an international scale. Regarding the science and technology of magic mushroom production, I think some Dutch growers only play an illustrative role as to the possibilities of scaling up production. Still using techniques that to the best of my knowledge arose in the US, or at least not specifically in The Netherlands. Maybe you were thinking of cannabis production; I think the Dutch definitely hold a key position in the development of new strains.


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Re: Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms? [Re: Shroomism]
    #14266626 - 04/10/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Noobs kill lots of stuff. Who do you think made salvia illegal? Noobs.




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    #14266640 - 04/10/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It does suck though, those of you that have been to the dam know wutimean, but there was nothing like eating sum shrooms and taking a walk around that city. Trippin bawls in Vondelpark... YES


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Re: Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms? [Re: bonnahoo]
    #14280322 - 04/12/11 08:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

it,s just the way the world is going, more laws, men acting like woman


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Re: Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms? [Re: Damkina]
    #14280457 - 04/12/11 09:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Well yes,pretty much I am fine with mushrooms being illegal.Who wants to use them for themselves, can grow them with little effort and knowledge.And if he is not greedy,there is a small risk involved.And talking of risks,we take risks everytime we cook,everytime we walk the street.The risk is too small for the rewards.

I would like to live in a world where everyone could appreciate the true value of psychedelics,and yes then,they could be all legal.But that is not the case.

Psychedelics are awesome tools indeed,but they should be used for terapeutic,spiritual,why not tantric purposes.:heart:

Using them for fun is egoistic. And risky too.




I think the idea that your reasons for doing shrooms is better than anyone else's reasons is extremely egoistic.  They're a fungi not a religion.


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Re: Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms? [Re: Smoky McPot]
    #14280676 - 04/12/11 09:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Damkina said:
Well yes,pretty much I am fine with mushrooms being illegal.Who wants to use them for themselves, can grow them with little effort and knowledge.And if he is not greedy,there is a small risk involved.And talking of risks,we take risks everytime we cook,everytime we walk the street.The risk is too small for the rewards.

I would like to live in a world where everyone could appreciate the true value of psychedelics,and yes then,they could be all legal.But that is not the case.

Psychedelics are awesome tools indeed,but they should be used for terapeutic,spiritual,why not tantric purposes.:heart:

Using them for fun is egoistic. And risky too.




I think the idea that your reasons for doing shrooms is better than anyone else's reasons is extremely egoistic.  They're a fungi not a religion.




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Re: Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms? [Re: frisky_]
    #14283267 - 04/13/11 11:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I have good memories of shroomin in amsterdam...Summer 2007.      Me and a friend ate some hawaiins and smoked weed.  Went to the Heineken Brewery, then next stop was the van gough musuem.  However the shrooms started kickin in real hard, so I just sat in the front field for a min as everything was breathing with colors and patterns.  I guess I'm lucky that I tried most every type of psilocybe sold in smart shops before they were banned.

Was pretty cool to walk into a corner store (essentially) and purchase any one of a variety of psilocybes that came in brand name packaging.


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Re: Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms? [Re: demon66]
    #14283273 - 04/13/11 11:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I have good memories of shroomin in amsterdam...Summer 2007.      Me and a friend ate some hawaiins and smoked weed.  Went to the Heineken Brewery, then next stop was the van gough musuem.  However the shrooms started kickin in real hard, so I just sat in the front field for a min as everything was breathing with colors and patterns.  I guess I'm lucky that I tried most every type of psilocybe sold in smart shops before they were banned.

Was pretty cool to walk into a corner store (essentially) and purchase any one of a variety of psilocybes that came in brand name packaging.




How much did they cost?
I heard they only sold them fresh too. They weren't allowed to dry them out and sell them.


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Re: Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms? [Re: lil_demented]
    #14283341 - 04/13/11 11:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

13 to 19 euros.  19 for Hawaiins (Copelidia aka blue meanies?) , 13 for mexicans.  The other varieties were within that spectrum.  Yeah, they were fresh, but sealed in a tupperware kind of container.  Wish I had kept some of the packaging.  It looked pretty cool.

Now that I have grown and picked shrooms I'd never pay that much...but was a novelty none the less.


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Re: Why did the Dutch ban magic mushrooms? [Re: lil_demented]
    #14287347 - 04/13/11 10:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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lil_demented said:
I heard they only sold them fresh too. They weren't allowed to dry them out and sell them.




You could find dry mushrooms very easily "under the table" in most shops. You still can by the way...
I remember in the 90's all those "Magic mushrooms" billboards everywhere in the Red quarter of Amsterdam. It was like going to buy a beer. I was still young and never oh never a vendor asked for my age or my identity card. Some vendors just want money without paying attention to who they sell. Sadly because there were some very serious shops who now pay for all the others.
On the other side i fully understand local people beeing irritated with all those "narco tourists" around.


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