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    #14260952 - 04/08/11 10:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

it is possible to improve yourself (by which I mean your personality/ego) just by changing how you think about yourself and things in general.

another way of putting it: is it possible to improve at any given task just through mental exercise? Can you get better at guitar just by visualizing yourself playing and thinking of melodies, or do you have to have a guitar in your hands to be getting better at it :strokebeard:


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Re: true or false [Re: g00ru]
    #14261025 - 04/08/11 10:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It is very possible to change your life by changing your perspective on life. There is a nice book on this subject, it's called 'the power of your sub-conscious mind'.

visualizing something fires a lot of the same neurons in the brain as the actual act of doing that thing. So rehearsing things over in your mind is very helpful in the learning process.


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Re: true or false [Re: danlennon3]
    #14261064 - 04/08/11 10:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ya, i agree, and i think this is in a way proof of at least some spiritual dimension to our existence.  Thoughts are experienced as immaterial, and we can use them to change ourselves which ultimately manifests materially.


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Re: true or false [Re: g00ru]
    #14261172 - 04/08/11 11:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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it is possible to improve yourself (by which I mean your personality/ego) just by changing how you think about yourself and things in general.




if you have high self esteem and believe that you can do something, your certainly more likely to be able to do something and get better at it than having low self esteem and confidence.

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another way of putting it: is it possible to improve at any given task just through mental exercise? Can you get better at guitar just by visualizing yourself playing and thinking of melodies, or do you have to have a guitar in your hands to be getting better at it :strokebeard:





yes it's possible. research has proven that visualizing yourself doing a task activates the same brain areas as actually doing it and can improve at a task through this way. it's just actually doing it gets you to improve at it quicker.


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Re: true or false [Re: bigmike7104]
    #14261182 - 04/08/11 11:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

yeah naturally you're gonna want to pick up a guitar at some point.  But I find it very interesting how powerful of a tool visualization is, because to me that implies that anything that happens in your life is manifested in the imagination before it is manifested in physical reality.  And that makes you wonder....why couldn't it be the same for the entire universe, and the mind its happening in is what many call God or cosmic consciousness?


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Re: true or false [Re: g00ru]
    #14261261 - 04/08/11 11:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

When something is manifested in your imagination, it still is part of physical reality, just in a different form- neural structures in your brain that represent visualizations, rather than electrochemical impulses that cause you to move your body in certain ways (such as playing the guitar).


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Re: true or false [Re: g00ru]
    #14261295 - 04/08/11 11:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

My life improved significantly when I realized I don't need to be anything. Realization --> change of mind --> change of life. Thank you, salvia.


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Re: true or false [Re: g00ru]
    #14261322 - 04/08/11 11:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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But I find it very interesting how powerful of a tool visualization is, because to me that implies that anything that happens in your life is manifested in the imagination before it is manifested in physical reality.




well if you can't even imagine doing something, i don't see how could do it in real life. but even if your not actively imagining something your brain is always planning ahead with signals and messages of what do which is why the subconscious is so powerful.

but i don't think it's all visualization though, a lot of is experience. like if you haven't picked up a guitar before, even to play a song in through visualization you'd have to practice imagine doing it for quite a bit before you can play it in your head.

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And that makes you wonder....why couldn't it be the same for the entire universe, and the mind its happening in is what many call God or cosmic consciousness?




so you mean that it could be we not only control ourselves, but the world around us? who knows, maybe that's why in quantum experiments just looking for the result affects the outcome. though that's just one interpretation of it and quantum effects i don't think have been found to happen on a scale of larger objects, at least yet.

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change of mind --> change of life. Thank you, salvia.




reminds me of the quote by buddha. "The mind is everything, what you think you become." though i don't think it's 100 percent true, but it' an important step to changing or improving(or the other way around if you think negatively).


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Re: true or false [Re: g00ru]
    #14262442 - 04/09/11 10:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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guruu said:
it is possible to improve yourself (by which I mean your personality/ego) just by changing how you think about yourself and things in general.

another way of putting it: is it possible to improve at any given task just through mental exercise? Can you get better at guitar just by visualizing yourself playing and thinking of melodies, or do you have to have a guitar in your hands to be getting better at it :strokebeard:





of course.  practicing theory mentally sharpens your minds ability to comprehend more complex pieces of music.  also imagining where your fingers are going to be placed while transitioning from chord to chord is pivotal in initiating muscle memory.


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Re: true or false [Re: g00ru]
    #14262452 - 04/09/11 10:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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yeah naturally you're gonna want to pick up a guitar at some point.  But I find it very interesting how powerful of a tool visualization is, because to me that implies that anything that happens in your life is manifested in the imagination before it is manifested in physical reality.  And that makes you wonder....why couldn't it be the same for the entire universe, and the mind its happening in is what many call God or cosmic consciousness?




i believe this is how einstein often practiced his theories.  he would imagine himself as a particle within a particular space, and this visualization was key in developing such profound ideas and understandings.

and well yea, for instance while dreaming, after becoming lucid you can 'imagine' up just about what you want. also you could possibly translate that lucidity within your dream into dream travel, wherein you explore you psyche and spiritual body within different states while dreaming.

i believe the tibetan buddhists say that there are many modes of existence within the basic three basic modes of existence: dreaming, meditation, and waking reality.  so within each of these experiences you can further explore deeper realities.


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Re: true or false [Re: desert father]
    #14262474 - 04/09/11 10:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I would like to see a single example of a person learning a physical skill without doing physical practice.

I work with novice racquetball students all the time who told me of how many videos they watched and how many books they read on the subject. Guess what? They fare no better than novices who have not done such mental work.

That being said, I do believe that if you are sufficiently advanced in a physical discipline, be it golf or guitar or whatever, that you can do mental exercises to improve.


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Re: true or false [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14262733 - 04/09/11 11:39 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

but if you have the mental stuff already going strong, the physical stuff manifests much more quickly.  Like how getting good at drums is a lot easier after getting good at guitar, even though the physical abilities don't cross over at all.


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Re: true or false [Re: NetDiver]
    #14262737 - 04/09/11 11:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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When something is manifested in your imagination, it still is part of physical reality, just in a different form- neural structures in your brain that represent visualizations, rather than electrochemical impulses that cause you to move your body in certain ways (such as playing the guitar).




Okay, crucial point.  Your imagination is not made of neural structures.  There may be correlative neural structures that can be shown to be associated with the imagination.  But close your eyes and imagine something.  What is that? That's not a fuckin neural structure, it's something different entirely.  Imagination is clearly metaphysical in nature, if you actually analyze your in the moment experience of it and don't abstract things.


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Re: true or false [Re: g00ru]
    #14262802 - 04/09/11 11:55 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Another crucial point- your imagination is most certainly closely correlated with neural structures. What do you think would happen to your ability to mentally picture things if certain parts of your brain were removed? What do you think that says about the relationship between the brain and consciousness?


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Re: true or false [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14262858 - 04/09/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

well i think you answered your question for yourself regarding sports.

personally i've been an athlete my whole life, playing all different sports.

i am not as proficient when it comes to basketball because of my lack of knowledge when it comes to the strategy of the game: pick and rolls, screens...so on and so forth.

so while i am athletic and can compete in the first place, learning the set plays, positions you are supposed to be in according to different situations during the game, and even the proper foul shot technique only makes my performance enhanced as compared to me competing on raw athletic ability alone.


so when i study music, of course i practice physically running up and down scales, different positions, 7, 9, aug, dim. chords...so on and so forth.

now to even better understand my instrument i mentally practice by studying theory, such as the circle of fifths, major minor and pentatonic keys, finger positioning, as well as thinking of different ways to correlate the different shapes of chords and how they might fit together.

i'm not sure if this counts, but while i practice yoga, my focus on consistent breath is almost as important as the proper positioning of my body if i am going to get the full benefit of my asana.

for example, on deep inhales i focus on stretching the muscle, then during exhalation, i focus on my muscles all becoming relaxed, and of course they become relaxed and i am deeper into my stretch.


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Re: true or false [Re: g00ru]
    #14263274 - 04/09/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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ya, i agree, and i think this is in a way proof of at least some spiritual dimension to our existence.  Thoughts are experienced as immaterial, and we can use them to change ourselves which ultimately manifests materially.




Yeah.  I experience thoughts as a hippopotamus, therefore, this is in a way proof of at least some hippopotomus dimension to our existance.

Hmm... something seems wrong here.  That you "experience" something doesn't prove squat other than you experienced it.  Guess the world doesn't have a secret hippo dimension afterall.


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    #14263295 - 04/09/11 02:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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guruu said:
ya, i agree, and i think this is in a way proof of at least some spiritual dimension to our existence.  Thoughts are experienced as immaterial, and we can use them to change ourselves which ultimately manifests materially.




Yeah.  I experience thoughts as a hippopotamus, therefore, this is in a way proof of at least some hippopotomus dimension to our existance.

Hmm... something seems wrong here.  That you "experience" something doesn't prove squat other than you experienced it.  Guess the world doesn't have a secret hippo dimension afterall.




i was a page in a book once when i smoked salvia. for real.

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Re: true or false [Re: NetDiver]
    #14263464 - 04/09/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Another crucial point- your imagination is most certainly closely correlated with neural structures. What do you think would happen to your ability to mentally picture things if certain parts of your brain were removed? What do you think that says about the relationship between the brain and consciousness?




That the brain is a vessel for consciousness, and that when it is damaged our experience cannot function with such great clarity and detail.


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Re: true or false [Re: g00ru]
    #14265789 - 04/10/11 07:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Like how getting good at drums is a lot easier after getting good at guitar, even though the physical abilities don't cross over at all.




Unless you count the ability to keep time, multitask, or play rhythms.


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    #14265837 - 04/10/11 07:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

please make a habit of setting the title to match the message

the title's answer is
your cup is half true and my cup is half false.

the message's answer is
how does one change their habits?


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