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Oregon Law Would Put Protestors in Prsion as Terrorists
    #1426018 - 04/03/03 01:39 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Oregon Law Would Jail War Protesters as Terrorists
(Reuters) - An Oregon anti-terrorism bill would jail street-blocking protesters for at least 25 years in a thinly veiled effort to discourage anti-war demonstrations, critics say.


The bill has met strong opposition but lawmakers still expect a debate on the definition of terrorism and the value of free speech before a vote by the state senate judiciary committee (news - web sites), whose Chairman, Republican Senator John Minnis, wrote the proposed legislation.


Dubbed Senate Bill 742, it identifies a terrorist as a person who "plans or participates in an act that is intended, by at least one of its participants, to disrupt" business, transportation, schools, government, or free assembly.


The bill's few public supporters say police need stronger laws to break up protests that have created havoc in cities like Portland, where thousands of people have marched and demonstrated against war in Iraq (news - web sites) since last fall.


"We need some additional tools to control protests that shut down the city," said Lars Larson, a conservative radio talk show host who has aggressively stumped for the bill.


Larson said protesters should be protected by free speech laws, but not given free reign to hold up ambulances or frighten people out of their daily routines, adding that police and the court system could be trusted to see the difference.


"Right now a group of people can get together and go downtown and block a freeway," Larson said. "You need a tool to deal with that."


The bill contains automatic sentences of 25 years to life for the crime of terrorism.


Critics of the bill say its language is so vague it erodes basic freedoms in the name of fighting terrorism under an extremely broad definition.


"Under the original version (terrorism) meant essentially a food fight," said Andrea Meyer of the American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites) (ACLU), which opposes the bill.


Police unions and minority groups also oppose the bill for fear it could have a chilling effect on relations between police and poor people, minorities, children and "vulnerable" populations.


Legislators say the bill stands little chance of passage.


"I just don't think this bill is ever going to get out of committee," said Democratic Senator Vicki Walker, one of four members on the six-person panel who have said they oppose the legislation.


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More bulshit from the fucking republicans


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Re: Oregon Law Would Put Protestors in Prsion as Terrorists [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1426031 - 04/03/03 01:42 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Looks like John Ashcroft has some fans in Oregon.


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Re: Oregon Law Would Put Protestors in Prsion as Terrorists [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1426071 - 04/03/03 01:58 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

What the fuck is going on?  I cant beleive how fast america is sliding... :tongue:
I mean if protesters are truly causing problems in cities, you'd think someone might listen to them...? :tongue:


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Re: Oregon Law Would Put Protestors in Prsion as Terrorists [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1426083 - 04/03/03 02:01 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I am less likely to listen to people causing problems.

I think that proposed law is a piece of shit BTW


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Re: Oregon Law Would Put Protestors in Prsion as Terrorists [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1426093 - 04/03/03 02:03 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Ouch! I don't like the sounds of this one. It's one thing to be sent to jail for doing something like blocking traffic(which I agree with), it is another to be labeled as a terrorist and be sent to jail for 25-life. It's almost MrCarthyism all over again.


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Re: Oregon Law Would Put Protestors in Prsion as Terrorists [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
    #1426123 - 04/03/03 02:12 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Exactly. It is a terrible thing. It will never pass though and if it does it will be quickly struck down by the courts.


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Re: Oregon Law Would Put Protestors in Prsion as Terrorists [Re: z@z.com]
    #1426124 - 04/03/03 02:14 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Just like the Patriot act?


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Re: Oregon Law Would Put Protestors in Prsion as Terrorists [Re: Rono]
    #1426129 - 04/03/03 02:16 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

The main difference is that this is state law. Much more easily struck down than federal law.


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Re: Oregon Law Would Put Protestors in Prsion as Terrorists [Re: z@z.com]
    #1426132 - 04/03/03 02:18 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry, i didn't mean "causing problems", in terms of blocking traffic or general vandalism...or anything....

I meant if the mass of people who are protesting this war are causing problems (through thier numbers) often, then somethings wrong with the leaders. :tongue: :grin:


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Re: Oregon Law Would Put Protestors in Prsion as Terrorists [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1426141 - 04/03/03 02:21 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Unless the big groups of people are wrong. In that case a good leader will ignore them. We should not be governed by popular opinion.


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Re: Oregon Law Would Put Protestors in Prsion as Terrorists [Re: z@z.com]
    #1426167 - 04/03/03 02:32 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Your right....thats not how "democracy" works... :tongue:


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Re: Oregon Law Would Put Protestors in Prsion as Terrorists [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1426173 - 04/03/03 02:34 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

This isn't a democracy.


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Re: Oregon Law Would Put Protestors in Prsion as Terrorists [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1426289 - 04/03/03 03:11 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

That is scary... Its just like the book 1984. You will be punished if you have thoughts or views that are different.

I can't believe it. This is horrible. Now our own government calling the American people who love their country, terrorists?! What the FUCK is going on!!!!!

Its just freedom of speech, we are against this war because it is unncessary. It is unjustified. Just because we dont like the living of another country doesnt mean we should just go in there and blow them up.




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Re: Oregon Law Would Put Protestors in Prsion as Terrorists [Re: angryshroom]
    #1426297 - 04/03/03 03:16 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I feel I should point this out before everyone has a panic attack:
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Legislators say the bill stands little chance of passage.

"I just don't think this bill is ever going to get out of committee," said Democratic Senator Vicki Walker, one of four members on the six-person panel who have said they oppose the legislation.





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Re: Oregon Law Would Put Protestors in Prsion as Terrorists [Re: z@z.com]
    #1426363 - 04/03/03 03:31 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

On the other hand, a fellow co-worker just told me he heard this was going to be passed in more than one state! :shocked:

But im pretty sure thats just panicky gossip.....
...and hes not know for his sources... :smirk:


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Re: Oregon Law Would Put Protestors in Prsion as Terrorists [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
    #1426579 - 04/03/03 04:58 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Ouch! I don't like the sounds of this one. It's one thing to be sent to jail for doing something like blocking traffic(which I agree with), it is another to be labeled as a terrorist and be sent to jail for 25-life. It's almost MrCarthyism all over again.



100% right.


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Re: Oregon Law Would Put Protestors in Prsion as Terrorists [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1426590 - 04/03/03 05:03 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Whoa! You agreed with something I said.


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Re: Oregon Law Would Put Protestors in Prsion as Terrorists [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
    #1426673 - 04/03/03 05:36 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Whoa! You agreed with something I said.




I'm not sure why that would surprise you. I don't agree with EVERY stance the right takes. Many, but not all.


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Re: Oregon Law Would Put Protestors in Prsion as Terrorists [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1427348 - 04/04/03 12:36 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

right left, it doesnt matter. Man, come on people America is being taken over by evil men. WE the People have to, must, come together to fight this. I am so serious. Why does it take a crazy bill like this to wake people up. There are many bills being passed that totally destroy the Constitution. But people are just so uninformed about how these laws really work, our freedoms are being taken away.

Don't think Nazi style control of the people will not and can not happen in America because we are so "free". If you dont know know your rights, they can be taken away.

Do not let your mind be corrupted with the thought that if you give up your freedoms for security, you will somehow be more secure.

So, for anyone who does not understand how America can be sliding down hill so fast and so quickly.... It is NOT taking place quickly, its just that most Americans dont pay attention to what is going on. It is little be little people. Now your kind of waking up and wondering whoa what is all this. I mean have you not read patriot act 2 ??

Seriously dont get caught up in the right vs left stuff. If we dont work together to fight the power grabbing politicians there will not be any America left.

When I say fight, I guess I am thinking educate your self as to what the constitution says, spread the word about these crazy bills, and think.


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Re: Oregon Law Would Put Protestors in Prsion as Terrorists [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1427497 - 04/04/03 01:59 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Hmmm....fair enough.


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