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I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep)
#14259646 - 04/08/11 04:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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For the past few months, I have NOT been able to get much sleep no matter how late I go to bed. I lay down in my fucking bed, but i CANNOT get comfortable, NOR can my thoughts stop! It seems like when I lay down to sleep, my thoughts start racing, and that combines with a fucking weird feeling in my legs. I feel like I have to stretch my calf muscles EVERY time i lay down in bed. So usually, i get up and do a full leg stretch before I lay back down, but that never helps, the uncomfortable feeling still remains in my calves when I try to sleep. Another thing, it's DAMN NEAR IMPOSSIBLE for me to fucking get comfortable.. I can find a SUPER comfortable position on my bed, and then 5 minutes later i feel like I have to find a new spot and a new position to sleep in.
This has been going on for fucking months now, and Today I snapped.
Last night I tried going to bed at a decent time that's relatively early for me (12am), and I get to bed. Cant stop fucking thinking, and have that feeling in my damn calves. I get up, stretch my legs, and lay back down. Ahhh feels good, I try and get comfortable for about 5 minutes and find a position. Eventually I fall asleep, but next thing I know, I wake up probably an hour later drenched in sweat and my calf has that fucking annoying feeling in it which pisses me off, I ignore it and try and get comfortable again. I fall asleep again and wake up about an hour 30 minutes later AGAIN COVERED IN SWEAT. This process repeats until I have to get up for work today. I almost didn't go because of how tired and pissed off I was that I can't sleep anymore. Then, when I get home for work, I realize that I spent ALL WEEK looking forward to friday and once this day comes, I again realize that I had made NO PLANS with ANYONE. At that point, i felt like a worthless piece of shit that couldnt sleep, and all i could think about was going through the trouble of sleeping again tonight because I have noone to chill with, and I have no weed to get high off of (helps me sleep). For some reason, thinking about those things made me almost start crying... I felt helpless, I was so frustrated that my eyes were tearing up... and I felt like i wanted to fucking beat the shit out of somebody about all this. I have no idea why sleep deprivation would make me suddenly think so lowly of myself today, but it did. I feel like such shit Today, but talking about this is making it alot better. (I can't believe I almost cried about an hour or two ago because I've had such trouble sleeping lately)
Anyway, I want to go to the doctor soon and I REALLY hope he doesn't prescribe sleeping pills. I want a benzodiazepine, just something to slow my thoughts down and help me be more relaxed and sedated. I don't want sleeping pills because I don't want to completely RELY on something to give me sleep. I want to fall asleep on my own, I just want something to relieve my symptoms that keep me from sleeping you know?
I really want your guys feedback on this problem, you guys always help me so much. I love the shroomery with all my heart.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: mrgibblet]
#14261682 - 04/09/11 02:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I had similiar issues.
I was prescribed a benzo for this very thing. Anxiety induced insomnia. I took Klonopin. It worked and now I dont take it and I sleep pretty well I guess. Just dont get hooked on that shit.
Sounds like you have restless leg syndrome. I get it every once in a while. It sucks. Talk to your doctor about it. I usually try to ignore it and usually I fall asleep. Its hard and takes me a good while but that works for me.
exercise may put you to bed too.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: XUL]
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: Moronicus]
#14261773 - 04/09/11 03:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Valerian tea?
Try a hard gymnastic exercice before sleep Just do it till you are exhausted.
Sound like anxiety to me.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: mrgibblet]
#14261790 - 04/09/11 03:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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mrgibblet said: For the past few months, I have NOT been able to get much sleep no matter how late I go to bed. I lay down in my fucking bed, but i CANNOT get comfortable, NOR can my thoughts stop! It seems like when I lay down to sleep, my thoughts start racing, and that combines with a fucking weird feeling in my legs. I feel like I have to stretch my calf muscles EVERY time i lay down in bed. So usually, i get up and do a full leg stretch before I lay back down, but that never helps, the uncomfortable feeling still remains in my calves when I try to sleep. Another thing, it's DAMN NEAR IMPOSSIBLE for me to fucking get comfortable.. I can find a SUPER comfortable position on my bed, and then 5 minutes later i feel like I have to find a new spot and a new position to sleep in.
This has been going on for fucking months now, and Today I snapped.
Last night I tried going to bed at a decent time that's relatively early for me (12am), and I get to bed. Cant stop fucking thinking, and have that feeling in my damn calves. I get up, stretch my legs, and lay back down. Ahhh feels good, I try and get comfortable for about 5 minutes and find a position. Eventually I fall asleep, but next thing I know, I wake up probably an hour later drenched in sweat and my calf has that fucking annoying feeling in it which pisses me off, I ignore it and try and get comfortable again. I fall asleep again and wake up about an hour 30 minutes later AGAIN COVERED IN SWEAT. This process repeats until I have to get up for work today. I almost didn't go because of how tired and pissed off I was that I can't sleep anymore. Then, when I get home for work, I realize that I spent ALL WEEK looking forward to friday and once this day comes, I again realize that I had made NO PLANS with ANYONE. At that point, i felt like a worthless piece of shit that couldnt sleep, and all i could think about was going through the trouble of sleeping again tonight because I have noone to chill with, and I have no weed to get high off of (helps me sleep). For some reason, thinking about those things made me almost start crying... I felt helpless, I was so frustrated that my eyes were tearing up... and I felt like i wanted to fucking beat the shit out of somebody about all this. I have no idea why sleep deprivation would make me suddenly think so lowly of myself today, but it did. I feel like such shit Today, but talking about this is making it alot better. (I can't believe I almost cried about an hour or two ago because I've had such trouble sleeping lately)
Anyway, I want to go to the doctor soon and I REALLY hope he doesn't prescribe sleeping pills. I want a benzodiazepine, just something to slow my thoughts down and help me be more relaxed and sedated. I don't want sleeping pills because I don't want to completely RELY on something to give me sleep. I want to fall asleep on my own, I just want something to relieve my symptoms that keep me from sleeping you know?
I really want your guys feedback on this problem, you guys always help me so much. I love the shroomery with all my heart.
You need magnesium. Get some of this Natural Calm powder, makes an OK tasting drink and works great. Your milk/cheese consumption has overcalcified you!
http://www.calmnatural.com/miraclemagnesium
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: Damkina]
#14271313 - 04/11/11 09:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Damkina said: Valerian tea? quote]
works for me, but i use tablet form with hops and passion flower, probly 1 or 2 times a weak. usually after boss has pissed me off.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: Pempi]
#14272788 - 04/11/11 02:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have the same problem. I tried valerian root, magnesium, etc etc. Which helped a tiny bit at first then didn't work at all. I need something to knock me out. The trouble with benzos is they are addictive and wd is a bitch. What i take now is lyrica and seroquel. Both are great for sleep and i take the lyrical only 1 x per week to avoid tolerance, the seroquel i take 2 x per week. I also take phenibut but no more than 1 x per week because you get a tolerance right away on that stuff and it can be addictive too. PM me for sources if you have trouble finding that stuff. Lack of sleep is deadly. You make one little mistake driving and you are crippled or dead. Plus you can't enjoy life tired all the time. So i take this stuff and no problems. I also take pot cookies now and then. That helps some. You've got to get your sleep, fuck the law and fuck greedy pharma companies that jack up prices to the sky.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: mrgibblet]
#14275245 - 04/11/11 10:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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ever tried exercising to the point of exhaustion or meditating..? bacopa always helps me sleep. inspires very vivid and pleasantly strange dreams as well
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: owls]
#14277764 - 04/12/11 12:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I use bacopa every day. Mild stuff doesn't help me any more. Thank goodness i found some strong stuff or i'd be in a fog of tiredness every day. Might as well be dead as that.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: Stonehenge]
#14279016 - 04/12/11 04:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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which type of bacopa are you using and why? what does it do for you?
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: owls]
#14279208 - 04/12/11 05:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I use the powdered herb. It makes you a little bit sleepy but i take it for general health since it doesn't do much for sleep.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: Stonehenge]
#14279215 - 04/12/11 05:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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cool. could you pm me a supplier of the bulk herb..? i would appreciate it!
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: owls]
#14280016 - 04/12/11 07:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hijacked my thread I see :P
But I HAVE NEWS TO UPDATE YOU GUYS WITH. I went to my good ole doctor today, told him all the shit about uncomfortableness in my legs, and anxiety with my thoughts where it is hard to sleep cause i cant stop thinking.
He prescribed me RLS medicine, called Ropinirole. Haven't tried it yet, that's what im going to do tonight. It costed fucking $143.99 for a bottle of 60. Shit. I got 60 0.25mg tablets. Supposed to take 1 for 2 days then increase the dosage over time. maximum of 2mg per day.
If this only helps my uncomfortable leg sensation but not my racing thoughts when I sleep, I'll try and go back and get prescribed a benzo for anxiety. 
But so far I hope this works.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: mrgibblet]
#14280032 - 04/12/11 08:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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exercise... It is hard to do exercise when you are stressed out though...
Deal with the stress and talk to people then deal with the other shit like exercise.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: Raw]
#14280149 - 04/12/11 08:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Raw said: exercise... It is hard to do exercise when you are stressed out though...
Deal with the stress and talk to people then deal with the other shit like exercise.
It's actually not alot of stress at all. I have nothing to be stressed over, period. Its just when I sleep, I can't stop thinking haha.
Oh and I exercise ALOT. Skateboarding is such a good cardio workout. I sweat like a gallon a month, literally. I've skateboarded routinely since I was a wee little kid I feel like im getting too old for this but at the same time im not! It's kept me in good shape!
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: mrgibblet]
#14286638 - 04/13/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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AS I thought, this medicine only helped my RLS. I still can't stop thinking, but the RLS medicine helps me STAY asleep, but my sleeping anxiety makes it pretty hard to fall asleep.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: mrgibblet]
#14406173 - 05/05/11 04:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Alright, update #3
2 weeks ago I got a bottle of 90 1mg Ropinirole pills.. Fuck that shit
I told my doctor that the ropinirole helps my RLS, but doesn't help me sleep at all. The nigger told me that oh its no big deal the medicine will just balance out in a week or two and ill be able to sleep. fucking bullshit, its been 2 weeks and i still cant sleep at all. I need some goddamn rest, next time I go see him I need to tell him flat up that I need something else to get me rest.
I would jizz if i got xanax. but Ambien would be nice.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: mrgibblet]
#14406284 - 05/05/11 04:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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The stuff i got works fine. Xanax is nice but you get hooked on it fast and need bigger and bigger doses. Ambien is similar and you may waken before morning. Everything has sides and most things cost a lot.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: Stonehenge]
#14406317 - 05/05/11 05:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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melatonin?
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: Anthony917]
#14409191 - 05/06/11 09:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Melatonin is mild weak stuff. It's like lemon balm, valerian and a few other things. Those help if you have a mild problem. They use to work for me but quit working. What i have now is quetiapine. That's the chemical name, the trade name is seroquel. It's used for depression, anxiety and as a sleep aid in low doses. I take 1/2 a 50 mg tab and it knocks me out. They use much higher doses for other things but then you get side effects. I have one or two other things i use also. I don't take the same thing every night to avoid tolerance.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: Stonehenge]
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When you go to the doctor he will probably send you to some kind of hospital or a specialist to get a Polysomnograph (sleep study) they will put all kinds of wires over your body, particulary your head. Its just to determine what exactly the thing that is keeping you from sleeping is whether it be anxiety or restless leg syndrome. From there they will know what to prescribe you. Careful with just settling with benzos, some people become dependent on them.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: TheCreampie]
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Better make sure your insurance covers it or it will cost an arm and a leg. It rarely helps anyway. The patient comes in and says "I have to keep moving my legs because they keep bothering me, plus i have anxiety" $10,000 of tests later the doc says "we have some more tests but your insurance ran out. You have rls and anxiety, here is your prescription" Which he could have done when the patient first came in. But he gets a kickback from the specialists.
I didn't bother with any of that and now i have several things that help a lot and they cost me very little plus no doctor visit.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: TheCreampie]
#14411004 - 05/06/11 03:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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TheCreampie said: When you go to the doctor he will probably send you to some kind of hospital or a specialist to get a Polysomnograph (sleep study) they will put all kinds of wires over your body, particulary your head. Its just to determine what exactly the thing that is keeping you from sleeping is whether it be anxiety or restless leg syndrome. From there they will know what to prescribe you. Careful with just settling with benzos, some people become dependent on them.
My mother actually had a sleep study done on her a long time ago for not being able to sleep.
I say fuck that, I'm not going to let my doctor make me do a sleep study. I wouldn't be able to sleep with wires attached to me, and I don't have ENOUGH TIME for that. I need to do good on my exams in college that are coming up, so far not being able to sleep has tanked alot of my shit, my averages in college went down the shitter just because of this fucking problem. I need to tell my doctor that I HAVE to have something to help me sleep ASAP or else it will seriously jeopardize my college career more than it already has.
I hope he understands. The faggot already screwed up by giving me ropinirole. My RLS never bothered me. Not being able to fall asleep bothers me. And I'm positive that it's caused by anxiety, and my sleep problem has even worstened since I had been prescribed this medicine because it doesnt work, and paying out the ass for medicine that doesn't work only increases my stress, making it even harder for me to sleep.
This is such a shitty situation. It's so bad that sometimes I even wish I wasn't alive... just so that I never have to try and fall asleep again. It's getting pretty depressing...
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: mrgibblet]
#14411075 - 05/06/11 04:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Discipline your mind? Everybody's mind wants to race at night, you have to learn to shut it down. Look into some zen meditation, which is just a fancy word for focusing on your breathing (counting breaths helps) and nothing else. Make it your number one priority to recognize when your thoughts start going and just let them drift off and get back to counting breaths.
I guarantee this will work 100% of the time every night to get you asleep becuase i've done it ever night for years. I usually 'let' myself think for 10-30min just to wind-up and reflect on the day then I have to tell myself 'alright its time to turn off and go to bed' and i'm out before i know it.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: Nova]
#14411202 - 05/06/11 04:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sounds like you have some chronic sleep deprivation. Id get those meds ASAP.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: mrgibblet]
#14411268 - 05/06/11 04:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mrg, you are like the guy whose car is stuck in the mud and his wheels are spinning. Pressing harder on the gas pedal is not going to do any good no matter how many times it worked for other people. You have to try something different. You can pay off the docs and hope they give you something good but if you get a stubborn nut for a doc, you are sunk. He may insist on something that won't help. Tricyclic antidepressants, tca's, in low doses work very well for insomnia. Some docs know about it and some are against it. Benzos are a bad and dangerous path. But you have to make your own mistakes to learn. Good luck.
Nova, that is a good idea. Progressively relaxing your body and focusing on something like your breath does help. I use it every night. But by itself it no longer works. Some people just need chemical help. Even with the help i use the relaxation or i could stay awake anyway.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: Stonehenge]
#14411287 - 05/06/11 04:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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3 things that put me out...
-Marijuana (indica ftw) -exercise (puts me in a deep sleep ) -melatonin (take in 45 mins before bed time). (always puts me out, add weed for 2x effect)
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: P-O]
#14416692 - 05/07/11 09:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Not even alcohol can put me to sleep.
I got fairly drunk last night and laid in bed with my girl all night. I couldnt sleep so I rubbed her back from like 4 to 7 am then tried to sleep. but instead just laid there until 1pm once my girl got up
I need some sort of fucking benzos or seditives, maybe tranquilizers. This is bad, I'm positive something to relieve stress would help me pass out though. Weed works, but my tolerance level is way too high to get high enough to fall asleep with ease.
I forced myself to exercise ALOT today.. Because I skateboard alot. I haven't slept in at least 3 days, completely exhausted, but I forced myself to skate for a good 3 hours today. Got so sweaty its crazy. And I'm still pretty sure I won't fall asleep tonight =/
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: mrgibblet]
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Pay attention this time. TCA's in small doses do just what you want. They not only make you very sleepy but they relieve anxiety and even reduce depression. Good ones i've used are quetiapine, trazodone, gabapentin and doxepin. Oxcarbazapine worked a little. Some of those are dirt cheap if you get them in generic form. I've ordered amitryptiline which i've heard is good but have not tested it yet. That, quetiapine and doxepin are the cheapest and work well. They all have brand names which are different. Side effects include feeling groggy the next morning.
They are all prescription but if you bug the doc he will probably prescribe some. Be sure to say you want generic. If you know someone who has a supply you can try them out first.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: Stonehenge]
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RLS sucks and i've never takin anything for it, keeps me up too. i haven't been able to sleep for a few weeks neither. i cut back on boozing and weed alot, i figure it'd be better for me, not the case. however, spending an hour on here reading has helped a little bit. i excercise too but reading works my brain more which pretty much gets me sleepy.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: Luv2shrOOm]
#14423173 - 05/09/11 05:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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GHB Xyrem
Other then that -> Healthy diët, movement in your life/work out, melatonin, sunshine, sex
GHB and Sleep
One must wonder what the FDA would think if they knew of all the people who take this hazardous "party drug" and don't even stay awake to notice the effects. GHB is an excellent tranquilizer, and is unique in its freedom from the side effects of more traditional drugs.. Before going into the specifics of its use, let me address the specifics of this heady claim:
The most commonly used sedative drugs today are the benzodiazepenes (notably Valium) and alcohol. Occasionally the barbiturates (eg, Librium) are still used, but I will not discuss them here. Their negative effects are similar to those of the benzodiazepenes, but generally more severe.
Overdose Potential
Tranquilizers have a somewhat sordid image in our culture. Their use in suicides doubtless plays a large role in this. Both alcohol and the benzodiazepenes create a general body-wide depression of activity, including respiration. People who lethally overdose generally die because they simply stopped breathing[156]. GHB brings about sleep by a mechanism which, while poorly understood, is much closer to the body's natural process. Breathing and pulse are no more reduced than they are in normally sleeping people (breaths per minute may decrease, but oxygen intake is unaffected). High doses may make sleep deeper, to the point of unarousability, but once the GHB is metabolized subjects awaken unharmed[151].
Sleep Quality
Everyone knows that alcohol will put users out, but this is a highly unnatural substitute for real sleep. Rapid Eye Movement sleep (REM), the stage at which dreaming occurs, is heavily suppressed, as is Slow Wave Sleep (SWS), the "deepest" and most relaxed phase. Regular REM is vital to psychological stability, and may be involved in the consolidation and organization of memory as well. SWS is the only time during which certain biological processes take place, such as the secretion of growth hormone. Proper growth hormone levels are necessary for good health, and reductions have been linked to many of the destructive effects of aging[20]. The benzodiazepenes, while less severe, have the same effects. After an initial low period, REM may return to normal[156]. GHB induces a sleep that is entirely natural. The duration and organization of the sleep stages is preserved, and growth hormone release is actually increased[20]. In fact, abnormal sleep patterns like those of narcoleptics* and insomniacs* become more typical[77]. While users of other tranquilizers may be difficult to awaken, GHB users (at low doses) remain completely responsive to ordinary stimulus, from pain to bladder pressure[4].
Hangover*
Alcohol's well-known hangover is created by many factors, including toxic metabolites, dehydration, and the brain's own opponent processes (hangover can be seen as a foretaste of withdrawal, should the sufferer become addicted). Excessive users awaken with mental impairment, irritability, and physical symptoms like headache and nausea. The benzodiazepenes are in some sense more insidious than alcohol; while moderate drinkers can avoid hangover, benzos can create a similar syndrome even when used as directed. Some of these substances have a half-life* of many hours. Subjects may still have active quantities in their blood the next morning, and thus remain groggy and "drugged."[156] GHB, in comparison, has a very short half-life and no active metabolites. After about 4 hours it is entirely consumed, changed into simple carbohydrates and thence expelled as carbon dioxide and water, no differently from bananas and birthday cake[82]. In fact, its effects are so short-lived that it has been judged inappropriate for subjects who awaken easily and need something that will keep them sedated throughout the night[4].
Tolerance, Addiction, and Withdrawal
The addictive potential of alcohol is well-known and need not be documented here. Tolerance* also develops to its effects, as seen when users need ever-greater quantities to get drunk. Withdrawal produces a variety of nasty effects, including depression, nausea, insomnia, and in severe cases the syndrome known as delirium tremens*. Long-term users of benzodiazepenes show a variety of withdrawal symptoms, ranging from nervousness and insomnia to life-threatening seizures (this latter type only in heavy users withdrawn suddenly). Another common condition is "REM rebound," in which REM, apparently increased to compensate for the benzo's suppression, slingshots to much higher levels than normal. This can create disturbing nightmares and uneven, fitful sleep[156]. While withdrawal symptoms have been observed in GHB users, this seems to apply to people who take high doses multiple times each day and exist in a perpetually sedated state[33]. Repeated experiments have shown no adverse reactions when users of multiple low or single daily doses discontinue use[4],[12],[151]. Some difficulty sleeping may be noticed, but bear in mind that the user was someone who felt a need for a sleep aid in the first place.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: Beanhead]
#14423981 - 05/09/11 10:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I agree about the benzos. It's playing with fire to use that crap. It's ok for short term but no way for a long term situation. The "z" sleep drugs have similar problems.
GHB is very illegal and they will pass up other things to prosecute it ever since the media started calling it the date rape drug.
Google low dose tca's for sleep. They work well, have relatively few side effects and can be taken long term. A small amount of tolerance develops but does not lead to addiction.
For rls there are some things. Muscle relaxants like baclofen show promise. I have some coming i will be testing soon.
Phenibut for sleep is a bad idea in the long term, even for a week or so.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: Stonehenge]
#14424223 - 05/09/11 11:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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You can get xyrem prescribed though.
And you're on the shroomery here man what the hell
"GHB is very illegal and they will pass up other things to prosecute it ever since the media started calling it the date rape drug."
Yes, congratulations their prejudice and propaganda have gotten a hold on you, you should evaluate the drug by its efficiency and toxicity. (imo )
Not saying that it's the holy grail for sleep but it definetly shouldn't be put aside.
Also thanks for the tip on low doses of tca's . Sounds promising, haven't heard of them before.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: Beanhead]
#14424443 - 05/09/11 12:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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and how exactly is he supposed to get prescribed xyrem?
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: owls]
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Doctors are scared of prescribing xyrem because of all the bs publicity. He may get a visit from the dea or thinks he will. It will be a long journey to find a pharmacy that stocks it. If you do it may cost an arm and a leg.
I take it into account because if one thing is legal and can be gotten easily and the other is illegal and you keep seeing nasty articles about it in the paper, why pick the one with so much baggage? If i could get pure ghb with no hassles, i'd use it but the best you are likely to find is something made in a bathtub with doubtful purity and might be something else all together. It's rare that only one drug will do the job and no other. I pick several likely candidates based on use and side effects profile, try each one and stick with the ones i like the best. That allows me to rotate them and avoid so much tolerance. Even the ones they tell you give no tolerance you better not use every day or you will need more.
Some things work on h1 or h2 histamine receptor. Some work on ht2a1 or ht2a2 receptors. Some work on calcium channels, some on sodium channels, some on gaba receptors, some work multiple ways. Mix it up and you will do better i think though i've heard of patients who used just one thing for years like doxepin and they just gradually upped the dose. It's cheap enough, a few of them are cheap some are expensive and some are very expensive.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: Stonehenge]
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i've been fighting with insomnia every couple months for the last 3 years. u learn to deal with it. u get a lot of reading done.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: broken]
#14425487 - 05/09/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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All you guys' posts are so intriguing.
The only stoop that I have hit is that this RLS medicine helps my RLS, but my RLS really wasn't ever bothering me in the first place. I still can't sleep for the life of me.
I just can't wait to go back to the doctor and tell him that all this shit isn't working. Because he seemed like he KNEW it would work and I KNEW that it wouldn't. Looking forward to telling him that I told him so.
I just need a damn chemical to make me sleep. Fast. I got some sleep the other day because I stayed up for 3 days straight, and went on a 6-hour skateboarding binge.
Needless to say, I'm still pretty dead from that.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: Stonehenge]
#14425589 - 05/09/11 04:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Doctors are scared of prescribing xyrem because of all the bs publicity. He may get a visit from the dea or thinks he will. It will be a long journey to find a pharmacy that stocks it. If you do it may cost an arm and a leg.
that's what i'm sayin', ghb is the obvious solution but it's really not going to be that easy to obtain for someone in the states
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: owls]
#14425771 - 05/09/11 05:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Stupid laws
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: Beanhead]
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: owls]
#14430078 - 05/10/11 02:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, it sounds like anxiety. I have similar issues with staying asleep. I wake up all thru the night and have to change positions. But when there is something weighing heavily on my mind, I won't get back to sleep at all.
If I really need to sleep (for work), I take benedryl. One gives me a few hours. Two will have me in a near coma so I can atleast reach my REM. But I feel groggy in the morn and still don't wanna go to work lol.
But I think u have to face whatever issues u have before u will get any regular sleep. Even if its just a little step towards changing what's bothering u, it can go a long way in your mind.
When in doubt, grab some benedryl (generics). Works 75% of the time, every time.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: The Todd]
#14430533 - 05/10/11 03:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Benadryl is an antihistamine as is unisom. Those work but you get a tolerance after a while if you use them a lot. Anxiety takes another approach usually. Progressive relaxation and focusing on bland boring subjects does help. It may not be enough. Avoid benzos because of the addiction factor. Tryptophan may work for some. Theanine can help, those both have calming effects. Kava helps some people, valium can help but the same problems as with other benzos.
For people with tough sleep problems, a combination of sleep aid and trank might help. Low dose tca's do both which is why i recommended them. For a trank without much hangover try baclofen, skelaxin, robaxin or maybe tizanidine.
Some of the ones mentioned are prescription only. They can be gotten without a script and the good thing is they are not scheduled. Even sched 5 like lyrica is a federal felony to import with up to 250k fine and 5 years. Possession is up to 25k and 1 year. But non scheduled prescriptions are under fda and from what i can find there is no federal crime involved, they just can confiscate them. Makes a big difference. Your state may have more restrictions on them.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: Stonehenge]
#14436873 - 05/11/11 08:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oh trust me, I've already tried benadryl. Shit is bogus. Didn't even work when i took 4.
I know benzos are very addictive, but I honestly think something sedating would help me no matter what.
I have acquired some hydrocodone a few days ago, and taking 1 before I sleep makes me get such a good night sleep because it just takes the edge off everything and lets me get comfortable. Knowing that a pain-killer would help me pass out, i bet a benzo or sedative would work 100x better.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: mrgibblet]
#14437074 - 05/11/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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certainly explore the biological route... go to a doctor, research on your own, go to a phyiciatrist, read online and experiment with vitamins/minerals/adaptogens, exercise intensely during the day, don't watch TV or internet before bed, etc........
at the same time, while you gradually fix this problem, make the most of your time while you are awake. if you're awake and can't sleep, instead of forcing yourself to sleep, maybe read a book, or make some art, etc...
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: mrgibblet]
#14439266 - 05/12/11 09:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hydrocodone for sleep??? omfg! and you are going to use benzos because you aren't worried about addiction? You completely blew off the good advice you got and are determined to become an addict. Lotsa luck.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: Stonehenge]
#14442125 - 05/12/11 08:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Hydrocodone for sleep??? omfg! and you are going to use benzos because you aren't worried about addiction? You completely blew off the good advice you got and are determined to become an addict. Lotsa luck.
What do you mean?
I've been using hydrocodone recreationally for a while.. I don't even use it every day, more like once every 2 or so weeks.
I don't have an addictive personality, I'd be able to handle benzos
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: Pay attention this time. TCA's in small doses do just what you want. They not only make you very sleepy but they relieve anxiety and even reduce depression. Good ones i've used are quetiapine, trazodone, gabapentin and doxepin. Oxcarbazapine worked a little. Some of those are dirt cheap if you get them in generic form.
I do not know about TCA's but i do know about anti-seizure meds. I had been on oxcarbazepine for seven years for epilepsy. It is the generic form of Trileptal, very expensive drug. But i can say that it not only had taken away the majority of my seizures, but also allows me to sleep better than I have in years. Most of the anticonvulsants I have taken are good for this, although there are many crappy side effects. I have tried many over the years and find oxcarbazepine to be the most tolerant. I had been to doctors for sleep disorder in my teenage years, and when I started to have seizures the meds cured me of my sleep disorder as well.
I can not advocate prescription drugs any more unless absolutely necessary. I have chosen over the past few years to self medicate with diet, excersize, and mary jane amongst other substances, all of which are not prescription drugs. And I am sleeping well now, seizure free.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: gnome respect]
#14444502 - 05/13/11 09:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah i like oxcarb. It has no recreational value but it's more pleasant than some drugs and has less hangover i would say. At a dose of 300 mg it only made me sleepy and didn't quite knock me out. For some folks that would be enough. One of the interesting side effects is that it reduces your appetite. I've been combining it with other things to add to the effect. For example, doxepin at 25 mg worked great at first but i've been using it every other day and it seems to be getting weaker. So i take 150 mg oxcarb with it and it works better.
I'm supposed to get amitryptiline and a couple other things soon. I'll give a report on them. For a good knock out, take 25 mg quetiapine. It's very cheap, cheaper than oxcarb. Doxepin is cheap too as is amitryptiline. Not everything works the same for everyone so you have to try a few to see which ones you like. Some people get bad sides and others get none on the same dose.
If your doc insists on prescribing stuff that has no generic form and won't give you anything cheap, it might be best to find another doc. You could pay $5 a month or $50 a month and get the same results.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: Stonehenge]
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a old friend told recently me when he can't sleep he reads mein kampf because hitler was such a boring writer it always puts him to sleep. just don't leave it on you bed stand when your jewish friends come over.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: broken]
#14451660 - 05/14/11 02:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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nothing is going to work because you have your mind set on getting benzos but i'll tell you what will fix it just for the hell of it as soon as you get up in the morning do an intense stretching workout then run 2 miles and do 100 pushups then go about your normal routine dont have dinner after 7oclock and dont watch tv or listen to music 30 minutes before you go to bed just relax but go ahead become part of drugs for a brave new cubicle generation
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: stuntmanmike]
#14452247 - 05/14/11 04:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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stuntmanmike said: nothing is going to work because you have your mind set on getting benzos but i'll tell you what will fix it just for the hell of it as soon as you get up in the morning do an intense stretching workout then run 2 miles and do 100 pushups then go about your normal routine dont have dinner after 7oclock and dont watch tv or listen to music 30 minutes before you go to bed just relax but go ahead become part of drugs for a brave new cubicle generation
I don't have my mindset on getting benzos really, I just know that benzos will work. I'm just mad that what my doctor gave me doesn't do jack shit.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: mrgibblet]
#14452268 - 05/14/11 04:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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it didnt do anything because restless leg syndrome is a made up affliction for people who sit in an office all day and dont work out then wonder why they cant sleep we are advanced in society but we still have monkey bodies that are supposed to be running from predators and gathering food all day if you do a hard work out in the morning you will not only feel better but by the time night comes around youll pass out as soon as your head hits the pillow
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: stuntmanmike]
#14452927 - 05/14/11 06:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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ever thought of beta blockers? i have terrible sleep anxiety but sleeping pills give me terrible nightmares. my whole family is on beta blockers for sleep to slow our hearts down. may be worth looking in to at least.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: Cloud9]
#14455728 - 05/15/11 11:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cloud9 said: ever thought of beta blockers? i have terrible sleep anxiety but sleeping pills give me terrible nightmares. my whole family is on beta blockers for sleep to slow our hearts down. may be worth looking in to at least.
My mother is actually prescribed beta-blockers for her high blood-pressure.
I dont even care to be honest, I just need something that works!!
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: mrgibblet]
#14467000 - 05/17/11 09:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I tested mirtazapine last night. I took 15 mg and it worked ok. There were few side effects and i got sleepy in about an hour. The bad thing is it did not keep me asleep all night, i woke several times. For those whose main problem is just getting to sleep, this might work fine. I felt ok in the morning and not a lot of grogginess.
This is a tetracyclic antidepressant. It works on a lot of different receptors. One source claimed it helps with memory. It's more expensive than something like doxepin or quetiapine which are more long lasting and have more side effects. I might combine mirt with something else in order to use less of each.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: mrgibblet]
#15992758 - 03/25/12 04:57 AM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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Read through your post and it sounds similar to my sleeping problem, i never had the RLS but i can be so tired allday and as soon as i lay down in bed at night i feel so awake and can't stop thinking, Saw a few people saying excersize to the point of exhaustion, well i think for people with racing minds that is the worst thing, i do karate and boxing 4 to 5 nights a week and it fully drains me, the day's i don't have training i do sleep better, the days i do it takes me so much longer to get to sleep cos my mind can't settle after being so active. I never wanted to go on any sleeping pills or anything, i try to avoid anything that's not natural so i've never done anything about it, somethings people suggested on here work for me but only a couple of times like magnesium and cammamile tea and all those things but nothing works long term, it's been years now and i'm starting to get more anxious,moody,snappy,ect , sorry if this is an old post but i just started looking this up cos i've come to a point where i'm getting worried about my mental and physical health and not working from not being able to get out of bed in the morning.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: buntafujiwara]
#15993148 - 03/25/12 08:56 AM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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I suggest smoking 2 grams of indica medical marijuana an hour before bedtime.
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: buntafujiwara]
#16193574 - 05/07/12 05:02 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
buntafujiwara said: Read through your post and it sounds similar to my sleeping problem, i never had the RLS but i can be so tired allday and as soon as i lay down in bed at night i feel so awake and can't stop thinking, Saw a few people saying excersize to the point of exhaustion, well i think for people with racing minds that is the worst thing, i do karate and boxing 4 to 5 nights a week and it fully drains me, the day's i don't have training i do sleep better, the days i do it takes me so much longer to get to sleep cos my mind can't settle after being so active. I never wanted to go on any sleeping pills or anything, i try to avoid anything that's not natural so i've never done anything about it, somethings people suggested on here work for me but only a couple of times like magnesium and cammamile tea and all those things but nothing works long term, it's been years now and i'm starting to get more anxious,moody,snappy,ect , sorry if this is an old post but i just started looking this up cos i've come to a point where i'm getting worried about my mental and physical health and not working from not being able to get out of bed in the morning.
sorry for bump but dude, you are obviously undereating and overtraining, especially if your sleep is WORSE on training days. very common symptoms, frustrating symptoms of overtraining and undereating is insomnia, mood swings, agitatio n, anxiety, etc. EAT MOAR!
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: daz01]
#16198508 - 05/08/12 05:46 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Good luck gibllet.
you will get over this buddy.
u tired and all fucked up so try to minimize negative things for you body
sometime there is not much good cure for insomnia.
for me i just lie down then i feel all hot. I NEVER feel hot, always too cold. Then I try to sleep and im sweating and rolling around for the entire night.
used to get me bad like you, week after week after week after week and i would stay up thinking the most depressing thoughts.
evil thoughts, about myself, about people etc... sometimes good thoughts, but mostly bad .
thats why i think its a useless painful experience.
good luck man, u are alone but not really alone!!! WOOT
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Re: I need some fucking help guys(cant sleep) [Re: MistyMystic]
#16228198 - 05/14/12 09:04 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah I feel your pain OP... I've had wicked bad insomnia since I was a kid... really, the only thing that's ever worked consistently and 100% for sure is benzos 
and believe me, I've tried everything... from meletonin to fucking brainwave entrainment
somehow I've managed to not get addicted to em with over a decade of use... although I've built up a mad tolerance 
insomnia drives me fucking insane... nothing like doing 10 hours of physical labor when you're utterly sleep deprived 
or finally falling asleep, then sleeping through your alarm because you're so fucking shitbagged... then getting fired because it's the 4th time that month you showed up 3 hours late without calling
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