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Re: And NOW I am remembering WHY Morning Glories are my favorite source of LSA [Re: Misto]
    #14250059 - 04/06/11 09:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Guess I made this thread at the right time after all! Two people on Lisa today, eh? :super:

Good vibes your way :ghandi:

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Re: And NOW I am remembering WHY Morning Glories are my favorite source of LSA [Re: Cynosure]
    #14250415 - 04/06/11 10:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Anyone ever mixed a MAOI with either of these?

I've read a few reports but they were highly inconclusive.  I'd like to know whether the vasoconstriction/nausea (and other negative effects-headache, etc.) are increased or if it's just the mental/trippy effects that are increased.




I'll be trying this out soon so I'll report on how well it works. I think it matters mainly on what foods you've been eating the days prior.


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Re: And NOW I am remembering WHY Morning Glories are my favorite source of LSA [Re: MoxyOx]
    #14250658 - 04/06/11 11:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

still tripping its about 1:17am and i am still triping balls on this shit loll

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Re: And NOW I am remembering WHY Morning Glories are my favorite source of LSA [Re: starlight]
    #14250681 - 04/06/11 11:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You'll be trying to go to sleep and your gonna get auditory hallucinations and ur gonna keep thinking ur phones going off or something :ifyoucanawe: happens to me every time

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Re: And NOW I am remembering WHY Morning Glories are my favorite source of LSA [Re: thissongis]
    #14250709 - 04/06/11 11:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

lol i'm in for a bumpy night eh thats ok lollll yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy woooooooooooooooooooooo

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Re: And NOW I am remembering WHY Morning Glories are my favorite source of LSA [Re: starlight]
    #14250718 - 04/06/11 11:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

ok so ive been trying to go to bed since about ten pm.lol  and now i wan to party but i'm tired lol and its only 1:27am

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Re: And NOW I am remembering WHY Morning Glories are my favorite source of LSA [Re: starlight]
    #14250751 - 04/06/11 11:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

it matters a lot before u have theses seeds i think ive been eating nothing but vegetation food for the past bit before having them maybe it was my body knowing what it was in for i guess...papering it self .

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Re: And NOW I am remembering WHY Morning Glories are my favorite source of LSA [Re: Cynosure]
    #14250795 - 04/06/11 11:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I really, really, really, REALLY want to mix

Morning Glories  HBWR  Rivea Corymbosa  LSD together one day. If my theory is correct then doing so would allow one to experience the complete, ULTIMATE lysergic experience, as you will be combining every psychoactive ergoline compound in existence.

I think at that point you'd be something akin to Nietzsche's "Ubermensch".  :goodnews:



There are also dozens of active analouges that have been or could be synthesized, not to mention a huge number of non psychedelic lysergic compounds.
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Anyone ever mixed a MAOI with either of these?

I've read a few reports but they were highly inconclusive.  I'd like to know whether the vasoconstriction/nausea (and other negative effects-headache, etc.) are increased or if it's just the mental/trippy effects that are increased.



both the psychedelic effects and vasoconstriction are due to lysergides, so anything that works on metabolism would probably effect both.  The nausea probably has a different cause so it shouldn't increase. 

I don't think lysergides are metabolized my MAO so an MAOI probably wouldn't directly increase the effects other than in a simple "additive" way, you feel the MAOI as if it were alone at the same time as the LSD as if it were alone.

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Re: And NOW I am remembering WHY Morning Glories are my favorite source of LSA [Re: rhave]
    #14251362 - 04/07/11 03:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

MAOI's stop the breakdown of certain neurotransmitters. Given that this is a substance that acts as a psychoactive and increases levels of chemicals in your brain, I think it would be plausible to assume that LSA falls under this category. It's also listed under MAOI drug interactions on wiki if that's worth anything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_inhibitor


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Re: And NOW I am remembering WHY Morning Glories are my favorite source of LSA [Re: MoxyOx]
    #14258854 - 04/08/11 02:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So what's the story on Morning glory Flying saucers? Are they active?

I went today to pick up some seeds but I could only find 3 packs of heavenly blues and 3 packs of flying saucers.


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Re: And NOW I am remembering WHY Morning Glories are my favorite source of LSA [Re: x Ju x]
    #14258940 - 04/08/11 02:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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So what's the story on Morning glory Flying saucers? Are they active?

I went today to pick up some seeds but I could only find 3 packs of heavenly blues and 3 packs of flying saucers.




Yep. Just not as potent as Heavenly Blues but I have used them in the past with success.

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Re: And NOW I am remembering WHY Morning Glories are my favorite source of LSA [Re: sunset_mission]
    #14259368 - 04/08/11 03:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Sweet. I'll mix them up and eat them all.

I'm not sure If I should dose tonight or tomorrow morning. How long after dosing can you manage to get to sleep?


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Re: And NOW I am remembering WHY Morning Glories are my favorite source of LSA [Re: sunset_mission]
    #14261859 - 04/09/11 05:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Why not Lisa? :lol: Sounds kinda lame but it's only an extra letter and I think Lucy kinda sounds lame too so I dunno.

Thinking about how LSA doesn't even have a proper nickname made me realize just how underrated these little gems are. But maybe it's better that way, both for legality and because I've seen the scary fucking hell you can land in with 25 mediocre strength HBWR seeds. :lol: (I manned the tits up and managed to overcome the bad trip during the peak still so I came out of it relatively well.)

Anybody have any experience with strains besides Heavenly Blue and HBWR? There's about 3 others I think, and specifically Rivea corymbosa/Ololiuqui seems to be of interest...the flowers are also pretty.

And I dunno about you guys, but HBWR was intensely visual for me...but this was at a level 4/5 dose  weed, so I was completely gone in every way. Also, this was apparently from an "Indian" strain, but I think that was just a marketing ploy to get me to buy weaker/cheaper seeds. Not that they didn't work...although 15 of the ones I have now ("Hawaiian") are probably equal to 25 of the Indian.




Dude, Lisa is actually a damn good name! Lisa and Lucy, the Lysergic Sistahs :bigyesnod:

Yeah man, these gems are COMPLETELY underrated. One thing I hate is how people make the LSA/LSD comparison all the single time. People fail to realize that the Aztec civilization thrived and prospered thanks in no small part to these seeds (this is speculation of course, but one I make with near-certainty). I've had way too many entheogenic/divine-awakening/spiritual rebirth experiences on LSA to NOT give it my everlasting gratitude and respect. LSA will always top LSD for me, period, final. In fact, they're both amazing in their own unique right and nigs need to get that through their skulls.

Those are the 3 right there, HBWR, MG and Rivea Corymbosa. I'm pretty sure I posted the ergoline alkaloid comparisons of the 3 a few pages back in this thread, but they all contain differing lysergic compounds.

HBWR was visual for me, but not as visual as MG's. The most I'd done was 12 and always with weed, as is customary for me on LSA. 25 seeds is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much, one shouldn't try going over 15 or the vasoconstriction may become too overbearing. Next time go with the Hawaiian strain (got them from IAmShaman, right?)

HBWR's are excellent "brain-candy" for intelligence increasing. I feel so much more sharper and my thoughts are more fluid, organized, nearly robotic in its processing thanks to my 100 seed regiment of HBWR's earlier this year. I may have to get 100 more for solely nootropical purposes.

I really, really, really, REALLY want to mix

Morning Glories  HBWR  Rivea Corymbosa  LSD together one day. If my theory is correct then doing so would allow one to experience the complete, ULTIMATE lysergic experience, as you will be combining every psychoactive ergoline compound in existence.

I think at that point you'd be something akin to Nietzsche's "Ubermensch".  :goodnews:



Have you ever tried Rivea? How was it if so?

I can't believe people can even call LSA a "lesser" psychedelic, like weed or something (still possible to trip on, but different from a pure psychedelic experience like LSA). Obviously these people have never tripped from them, and that's their loss. :shrug:

Haha, 25 DOES seem like a reckless amount, but let me explain. I bought the Indian variety (BTW, does anyone know if these IAS "varieties" are actually any different from each other besides potency?) because they were cheaper and I expected them to be weaker, but I had never bought HBWR before (just MG at that point). I started with 5, 10 seed doses to feel them out and actually got just about nothing from 10. I concluded that these are kinda crappy, and wondered if they would make me trip at all, so I did 40. Keep in mind these were all either chewed up and swallowed or cold water extraction with the 40, but I swallowed the seed mush and everything. *gag*

I actually didn't trip that hard from 40. :lol: I definitely felt it, I had a level 2-3 trip that lasted pretty much all day, not bad but no visuals to speak of. Then I had 25 left, but now the crucial difference is HOW I took them. Instead of stomach absorption, I opted for sublingual, akin to how people drop LSD. I chewed these seeds for 5 minutes and the results were INCREDIBLE. The problem was I actually prepared only for a light trip, and thus I got raped by a level 4/5 experience for most of it (most of it that I can remember was me just rapid fire dying over and over, from various things but especially drowning as I had been seeing that in movies recently. I have no fear of water that I know of, lol (been to the beach since then and everything!)). If you haven't tried sublingual yet man, you should. 25 seeds was about 2-3 times as potent as 40 CWE. It also had a shorter duration. I think that's kind of a plus, considering it's not TOO short either, shroom length I'd say.

Considering how hard I was tripping, the vasoconstriction with 40 wasn't too bad. I thank the weed, as it's a vasodilator. I think most people who've had no trip and only just bad vasoconstriction were not been smoking any bud, or pure schwag.

Next major trip I plan on chewing 15 sublingually...they are of the more potent Hawaiian variety. Ideally I'd like to trip as hard as that time but be ready instead. Maybe 12-13 if I'm feeling chicken. :tongue:

How did you use HBWR nootropically? 1 a day? It seems like psychedelics can be useful for low dose nootropic/antidepressant effects. Interesting.

Haha, that'd be a fucking trip for sure. I've honestly never had the fortune of dancing with Lucy but one day I might just try that combo. Do it! And post a detailed trip report. :thumbup:


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Re: And NOW I am remembering WHY Morning Glories are my favorite source of LSA [Re: KingEmblem]
    #14262606 - 04/09/11 10:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Why not Lisa? :lol: Sounds kinda lame but it's only an extra letter and I think Lucy kinda sounds lame too so I dunno.

Thinking about how LSA doesn't even have a proper nickname made me realize just how underrated these little gems are. But maybe it's better that way, both for legality and because I've seen the scary fucking hell you can land in with 25 mediocre strength HBWR seeds. :lol: (I manned the tits up and managed to overcome the bad trip during the peak still so I came out of it relatively well.)

Anybody have any experience with strains besides Heavenly Blue and HBWR? There's about 3 others I think, and specifically Rivea corymbosa/Ololiuqui seems to be of interest...the flowers are also pretty.

And I dunno about you guys, but HBWR was intensely visual for me...but this was at a level 4/5 dose  weed, so I was completely gone in every way. Also, this was apparently from an "Indian" strain, but I think that was just a marketing ploy to get me to buy weaker/cheaper seeds. Not that they didn't work...although 15 of the ones I have now ("Hawaiian") are probably equal to 25 of the Indian.




Dude, Lisa is actually a damn good name! Lisa and Lucy, the Lysergic Sistahs :bigyesnod:

Yeah man, these gems are COMPLETELY underrated. One thing I hate is how people make the LSA/LSD comparison all the single time. People fail to realize that the Aztec civilization thrived and prospered thanks in no small part to these seeds (this is speculation of course, but one I make with near-certainty). I've had way too many entheogenic/divine-awakening/spiritual rebirth experiences on LSA to NOT give it my everlasting gratitude and respect. LSA will always top LSD for me, period, final. In fact, they're both amazing in their own unique right and nigs need to get that through their skulls.

Those are the 3 right there, HBWR, MG and Rivea Corymbosa. I'm pretty sure I posted the ergoline alkaloid comparisons of the 3 a few pages back in this thread, but they all contain differing lysergic compounds.

HBWR was visual for me, but not as visual as MG's. The most I'd done was 12 and always with weed, as is customary for me on LSA. 25 seeds is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much, one shouldn't try going over 15 or the vasoconstriction may become too overbearing. Next time go with the Hawaiian strain (got them from IAmShaman, right?)

HBWR's are excellent "brain-candy" for intelligence increasing. I feel so much more sharper and my thoughts are more fluid, organized, nearly robotic in its processing thanks to my 100 seed regiment of HBWR's earlier this year. I may have to get 100 more for solely nootropical purposes.

I really, really, really, REALLY want to mix

Morning Glories  HBWR  Rivea Corymbosa  LSD together one day. If my theory is correct then doing so would allow one to experience the complete, ULTIMATE lysergic experience, as you will be combining every psychoactive ergoline compound in existence.

I think at that point you'd be something akin to Nietzsche's "Ubermensch".  :goodnews:



Have you ever tried Rivea? How was it if so?

I can't believe people can even call LSA a "lesser" psychedelic, like weed or something (still possible to trip on, but different from a pure psychedelic experience like LSA). Obviously these people have never tripped from them, and that's their loss. :shrug:

Haha, 25 DOES seem like a reckless amount, but let me explain. I bought the Indian variety (BTW, does anyone know if these IAS "varieties" are actually any different from each other besides potency?) because they were cheaper and I expected them to be weaker, but I had never bought HBWR before (just MG at that point). I started with 5, 10 seed doses to feel them out and actually got just about nothing from 10. I concluded that these are kinda crappy, and wondered if they would make me trip at all, so I did 40. Keep in mind these were all either chewed up and swallowed or cold water extraction with the 40, but I swallowed the seed mush and everything. *gag*

I actually didn't trip that hard from 40. :lol: I definitely felt it, I had a level 2-3 trip that lasted pretty much all day, not bad but no visuals to speak of. Then I had 25 left, but now the crucial difference is HOW I took them. Instead of stomach absorption, I opted for sublingual, akin to how people drop LSD. I chewed these seeds for 5 minutes and the results were INCREDIBLE. The problem was I actually prepared only for a light trip, and thus I got raped by a level 4/5 experience for most of it (most of it that I can remember was me just rapid fire dying over and over, from various things but especially drowning as I had been seeing that in movies recently. I have no fear of water that I know of, lol (been to the beach since then and everything!)). If you haven't tried sublingual yet man, you should. 25 seeds was about 2-3 times as potent as 40 CWE. It also had a shorter duration. I think that's kind of a plus, considering it's not TOO short either, shroom length I'd say.

Considering how hard I was tripping, the vasoconstriction with 40 wasn't too bad. I thank the weed, as it's a vasodilator. I think most people who've had no trip and only just bad vasoconstriction were not been smoking any bud, or pure schwag.

Next major trip I plan on chewing 15 sublingually...they are of the more potent Hawaiian variety. Ideally I'd like to trip as hard as that time but be ready instead. Maybe 12-13 if I'm feeling chicken. :tongue:

How did you use HBWR nootropically? 1 a day? It seems like psychedelics can be useful for low dose nootropic/antidepressant effects. Interesting.

Haha, that'd be a fucking trip for sure. I've honestly never had the fortune of dancing with Lucy but one day I might just try that combo. Do it! And post a detailed trip report. :thumbup:




Rivea is the final source of LSA that I have not tried yet but I've heard it called "the true Oliloliquhi.." or however the fuck you spell it :lol:

You know what? That is a very interesting point you just brought up. I usually simply just swallow the seeds (HBWR/MG) immediately after I have finished crushing them with my teeth. The next time I do this I will leave the chewed up seed mass sit under my tongue for 5 minutes and notice if there is any difference in intensity. I already have some goddamn powerful experiences from 10g, and now you're telling me that there's a chance that there is still yet more potential to be unlocked from these seeds sublingually?! This intrigues me, thank you for this idea :strokebeard:

When I would dose HBWR an ideal "trip" dose would be 10-15, once I went up to 18. For nootropical purposes anywhere from 2-4 would be taken. HBWR's definitely have a distinct feeling than Morning Glories. My HBWR experiences have been very "intellectual" in nature whereas my times with MG were much, much more spiritual in nature. And yes, I will DEFINITELY post a report the day I get to experience the complete lysergic spectrum at once... I have never read such a report anywhere, not even on Erowid.

Read the recent LSA thread I made by the way.

The Morning Glory of Morning Glory: Entheogenic Nootropics

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Re: And NOW I am remembering WHY Morning Glories are my favorite source of LSA [Re: sunset_mission]
    #14265694 - 04/10/11 06:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Haha, damn, I wonder if anybody on these boards has tried them. I would love to but the price for just 50 is harsh...unless they're more along the potency lines of HBWR and not MG.

Oh man...with your love for LSA already I have a feeling you're going to be mindblown by the potency of sublingual. HOWEVER, keep in mind that I've never dosed MG sublingually, so be careful and start low. Who knows, maybe 5g sublingual of MG could be beyond intense. I also couldn't imagine holding 10g or more of seed mush in my mouth for even 5 minutes, as a few HBWR seeds are bad enough.

Honestly, I'd say I have more experience with HBWR than MG, although I have noticed the extra giggles, visuals and lethargy from small doses of MG compared to HBWR. But I've never tripped hard on MG. How would you say the experience differs on a level 4+ trip?

Very interesting thread you made there. Especially the math part. I'll make a full post there tomorrow, tired today. I'm actually considering using either HBWR or MG for nootropical purposes. Which of the two do you prefer? It might just have been this one time, but once I took 5 HBWR seeds (for fun) sublingually and it was a very dull experience. No trip, a serious, heavy tripping mindset but no trip, no revelations, just slight anxiety and complete inability to focus (as in, WAY worse than being hashed out). I'm thinking that I may just not enjoy light psychedelic doses anymore, with the exception of weed, but I'm not giving up yet. I will definitely just eat them either way though, that makes more sense for a nootropical experience.


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Re: And NOW I am remembering WHY Morning Glories are my favorite source of LSA [Re: MoxyOx]
    #14274860 - 04/11/11 09:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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MAOI's stop the breakdown of certain neurotransmitters. Given that this is a substance that acts as a psychoactive and increases levels of chemicals in your brain, I think it would be plausible to assume that LSA falls under this category. It's also listed under MAOI drug interactions on wiki if that's worth anything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_inhibitor




This suggest that MAOIs weaken LSD.  I fairly certain I've read that elsewhere as well.
It seems somewhat likely that MAO doesn't metabolize LSD/LSA since they are much larger molecules than it's endogenous targets.  LSD and presumably LSA are agonists they don't trigger release like cocaine so I wouldn't expect the inhibition of the break down of endogenous neurotransmitters to have a huge effect.  More research is probably needed for a clear answer.


As for Turbina Corymbosa I've heard 60-100 seeds for good effects. Apparently Ipomoea tricolor and I. violacea are separate species at least according to wikipedia with one blooming at night, the other being common Heavenly Blues etc. If they truly are two different species it would be interesting to compare them, pretty much everywhere else treats them as synonymous though.

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Re: And NOW I am remembering WHY Morning Glories are my favorite source of LSA [Re: rhave]
    #14275415 - 04/11/11 10:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

even after LSA done wore off, and Im in my darkened room with the TV, when I turn the TV off. It looks like its pulling away from me and it just keeps pulling.. its kinda a lame effect, but I really can get into that falling away felling..

Ive done some lucy last couple weeks.. but I think this weekend I may take a LSA ride..


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Re: And NOW I am remembering WHY Morning Glories are my favorite source of LSA [Re: orison]
    #14293230 - 04/14/11 10:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So I was back at Home Depot stocking up, and they only had the one packet of the 1.5g for 1.25$

Then a few rows over I found bags of 14.15g for 3.95$, so that's fucking awesome. Cheaper that route, I bought 5 of those bags for 5 solid doses. I think I'll get the other 4 tomorrow :laugh:

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Re: And NOW I am remembering WHY Morning Glories are my favorite source of LSA [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14294157 - 04/15/11 04:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Excellent. I've only ever seen the 1.5g packets.

Were they Burpee's brand?

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Re: And NOW I am remembering WHY Morning Glories are my favorite source of LSA [Re: sunset_mission]
    #14297957 - 04/15/11 08:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

No they say Stover's. They were on a rack with other wildflowes I think

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