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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: captain goodvibes]
    #14253162 - 04/07/11 01:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Awe man.. so much good discussion here in the New Zealand '11 thread.. Inski those P. auklandii are beautiful! And thanks for all of the knowledgeable info you share... :cheers:  It would seem to me that a lot of people likely have been finding P. subsecotioides and simply believe it to be P. weraroa. P. subsecotioides is fairly new to me (not being from NZ myself), but is it also the same for most of the locals? Is P. subsecotioides simply not very well known?


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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: Oreganic]
    #14254157 - 04/07/11 04:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I wonder if the subsecotioides grow in the South Island....
Are they in Wellington or just Auckland? If they grow in Wellington then I guess they could also be down here.

Is a formal description for these in the pipeline?

Pretty cool that they are sometimes found growing with P. sub/cyans.

Hey if we have both P. sub. and P. cyanescens here then maybe it is better we just call them "GOLDTOPS"!

If we read a certain article about magic mushrooms of Australia and NZ written by an important person, apparently the term "goldtops" is not used in NZ. Load of rubbish because that is what I have always heard them (subs) called that here for over 20 years!


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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: woodchip]
    #14254619 - 04/07/11 05:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I wonder if the subsecotioides grow in the South Island....
Are they in Wellington or just Auckland? If they grow in Wellington then I guess they could also be down here.

Is a formal description for these in the pipeline?

Pretty cool that they are sometimes found growing with P. sub/cyans.

Hey if we have both P. sub. and P. cyanescens here then maybe it is better we just call them "GOLDTOPS"!

If we read a certain article about magic mushrooms of Australia and NZ written by an important person, apparently the term "goldtops" is not used in NZ. Load of rubbish because that is what I have always heard them (subs) called that here for over 20 years!




I've found P. subsecotioides in Wellington only once though, I had never seen them before and put a thread up here in H&I forum a few years back, only inski was familiar with them and directed me to a thread he'd made when discovering them a year or two before that.  At the time I found them, the advice was not to eat them as there was no consensus they were non-toxic and didn't have extra alkaloids in them with seemed to act as a paralytic.

Agreed on gold tops term - I only ever hear of "gold tops (Psiloycbe subaeruginosa)" and "blue meanies (Psilocybe weraroa)".

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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: nickc]
    #14255045 - 04/07/11 07:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Are they in Wellington or just Auckland?




Years ago I heard from someone of picking mushrooms with a description sounding very similar to "P. subsecotioides" growing from rotten pine in pasture in Southland, so I would imagine they are fairly widespread. I don't think I have personally ever found them, but if I had I probably passed them off as P. subaeruginosa, which macroscopically is incredibly variable.

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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: nickc]
    #14255108 - 04/07/11 07:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

When I first started studying mycology I had heard of the infamous "blue meanies" from the NI, but could never figure out what species this must be. It was only after learning about the properties of weraroa that I put 2 and 2 together...

This kind of leads back to the aforementioned article that states that Panaeolus/Copelandia cyanescens is present in NZ.
There is a thread somewhere (maybe on another site?) where someone from NZ is debating this with the author. And the good point is made: if it exists here, why are there no specimens in the national herbarium, or other literature records?

Certainly be interesting if it was, it sounds like a good one!


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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: haunted]
    #14255118 - 04/07/11 07:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Are they in Wellington or just Auckland?




Years ago I heard from someone of picking mushrooms with a description sounding very similar to "P. subsecotioides" growing from rotten pine in pasture in Southland, so I would imagine they are fairly widespread. I don't think I have personally ever found them, but if I had I probably passed them off as P. subaeruginosa, which macroscopically is incredibly variable.




Good to know, thanks.


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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: woodchip]
    #14255470 - 04/07/11 08:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

went out into the bush for about an hour around kapiti on the way back from registering my car today. heres what i came across on my travels.


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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: pkbrep]
    #14255513 - 04/07/11 08:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:congrats: nice nice hunting man:headbanger::awesomenod:
Enjoy the fruits of your labor:trippinballs:


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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: sporeRider]
    #14256745 - 04/08/11 01:03 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hi, inski your psilocybe aucklandii pics are amazing. They look like the best specimens i have seen pictures of. I wanted to ask about how these shrooms are growing exactly, what i mean is where in a forest might one look for these. Also if they are associated with pinus radita.. then will i have a chance of finding any in a random pinus radiata plantation? or should i be looking for something more than just that to find the shroom. Any advice will be greatly appreciated as i have a keen intrest in finding out more about these babe's.

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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: bosk37]
    #14256747 - 04/08/11 01:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Also do these fruit before the subaeruginosa ? as u seem to already have found some..

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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: sporeRider]
    #14256781 - 04/08/11 01:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

In Auckland Psilocybe aucklandii has been commonly called blue meanies for over 30, maybe 40 years, even before it was first described.
I met an old hippie from the south island a few years ago who had a mushroom tattoo that was clearly depicting P. aucklandii, he told me him and his friends had been traveling from the south island to Auckland since the early 70's to collect and partake in a mushroom ceremony and they called them blue meanies, when I told him that the species had been described and named as P. aucklandii in 1993 he laughed:cool:

I don't really use common names as I find they only cause confusion but to me Panaeolus cyanescens is the true "blue meanie" and although I have heard rumors of it's occurrence here I have yet to see any good evidence that it does fruit here, it is a tropical species.


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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: bosk37]
    #14256806 - 04/08/11 01:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Hi, inski your psilocybe aucklandii pics are amazing. They look like the best specimens i have seen pictures of. I wanted to ask about how these shrooms are growing exactly, what i mean is where in a forest might one look for these. Also if they are associated with pinus radita.. then will i have a chance of finding any in a random pinus radiata plantation? or should i be looking for something more than just that to find the shroom. Any advice will be greatly appreciated as i have a keen intrest in finding out more about these babe's.




I didn't think it was such a good image, this one from last year is nicer.


I can only say that you may find this species in association with Pinus radiata but it also grows in native New Zealand bush under Leptospermum scoparium, Kunzea ericoides and Dacrydium cupressinum, it does not fruit from wood but can be found fruiting from clay soils that is often devoid of any leaf litter and commonly fruits where there is no tree canopy, paths and areas where trees have fallen creating an opening in the canopy.


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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: inski]
    #14256960 - 04/08/11 02:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds like maybe "blue meanie" means different things to different people in different generations and areas.
Pretty apt description if its blue and mean!

Yay good old, old hippies!


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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: woodchip]
    #14257070 - 04/08/11 03:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Sounds like maybe "blue meanie" means different things to different people in different generations and areas.
Pretty apt description if its blue and mean!





Considering they all stain blue, and give one mean experience, the term should be widespread. Not exclusive to any particular shroom.

That Panaeolus Cyanescens in NZ story sure is a persistent one, but where are the pics?
I think it pretty unlikely myself. Just takes one search engine friendly article to start an immortal rumour.

No Libs posted yet? This Southerly could kick things off...

I got some little Goldtops (I just like the name better than "subs", nothing wrong with a little colloquialism) pinning in my outdoor bed already, and I haven't even lit the fire yet this year.
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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: captain goodvibes]
    #14257289 - 04/08/11 07:08 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I believe the term "Blue meanies" originated in the Beatles Yellow Submarine movie (I might be way off, but I've heard this). They called the bad guys "Blue meanies" (they were a metaphor for police) and I think it was ironically applies to a number of psilocybes (because they obviously turn blue). It was also a slang term for cops I think.

Anyway, that's so crazy that the same slang terms for mushies stick, but in diff areas they are applied different species. In the U.S. if you are picking  "gold tops" you are picking Panaelous cyanesens (or perhaps cubes, definitely applied to dung lovers). Panaelous cyanesens are also called Blue meanies in certain areas.


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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: Toe_Jam]
    #14258975 - 04/08/11 02:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

ok so these aren't exactly the grand weraroa images I promised...  but the patch I spoke of earlier has been kind of destroyed, not sure who or what by, but there were lots missing and quite a few squashed/uprooted ones

Anyway, got a few photos of the destruction for you to check out


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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: haunted]
    #14259002 - 04/08/11 02:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:congrats:beautiful mushrooms


p.s. how do you say weraroa


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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: dynomite]
    #14259218 - 04/08/11 03:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

weraroa is pronounced wear-da-row-a

To me its funny you think these are beautiful... I put them up there with some of the ugliest mushrooms out. They're not as bad as Weraroa virescens though...

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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: haunted]
    #14259328 - 04/08/11 03:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Nice finds those things look grand always enjoying seeing these finds.

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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: allaroundhunter]
    #14259645 - 04/08/11 04:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Do those take significantly longer to dry since the cap is closed?


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