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#14258506 - 04/08/11 01:08 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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i was hearing on the news today that there are quite a few attachments on the budget bill that republicans are trying to push that pertain to social issues, such as stopping federal funding for planned parenthood and limiting the epa's ability to do its job. i was wondering if anyone knew more about this and what else is going to be passed under our noses.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
#14258551 - 04/08/11 01:22 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nothing is being passed under your nose, unlike the Health Deform law (Nancy "we have to pass it to see what's in it" Pelousi). The EPA has become a ridiculous octopus with it's vast overreach (CO2 is not a pollutant). There is no reason at all for the federal government to have ever funded Planned Parenthood. Or the NEA or NPR or a whole host of other shit that is none of it's fucking business.
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the npr issue is a travesty. it frightens me to think that the tea party has that much influence.
i don't know enough about the epa deal to comment, which is why i'm asking. i don't see how it has too much power now.
as for planned parenthood, i'm unclear as to who benefits from them getting their funding cut. lower income people definitely don't.
i don't see how any of this benefits anyone actually. they're shaving millimeters off of the budget with the amount they're cutting and i highly doubt it'll affect anyone's taxes. it just all seems like a big ploy for people to pander to their constituency and pass a bunch of bullshit.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
#14258580 - 04/08/11 01:31 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Nothing is being passed under your nose, unlike the Health Deform law (Nancy "we have to pass it to see what's in it" Pelousi). The EPA has become a ridiculous octopus with it's vast overreach (CO2 is not a pollutant). There is no reason at all for the federal government to have ever funded Planned Parenthood. Or the NEA or NPR or a whole host of other shit that is none of it's fucking business.
Exactly. I couldn't have put it better. The idea being that further restrictions will do nothing but hinder the economy even more.
“The Environmental Protection Agency and the Obama administration have decided basically just because they have the ability to decide as the executive branch that they want to put the American economy in a straight-jacket … with these greenhouse gas regulations,” said Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas)."
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: tohstygohsty]
#14258582 - 04/08/11 01:32 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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i see rhetoric but no data pertaining to my questions.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
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millzy said: the npr issue is a travesty. it frightens me to think that the tea party has that much influence.
Fuck NPR. There is zero reason for them to get taxpayer dollars at all. Ever. If you want to support that charity go ahead. Quote:
i don't know enough about the epa deal to comment, which is why i'm asking. i don't see how it has too much power now.
Once it declared CO2 emissions as a pollutant it essentially appropriated the power to regulate the entire economy.Quote:
as for planned parenthood, i'm unclear as to who benefits from them getting their funding cut. lower income people definitely don't.
Another program that shouldn't be funded by the federal government. If you want to support that charity go ahead.Quote:
i don't see how any of this benefits anyone actually. they're shaving millimeters off of the budget with the amount they're cutting and i highly doubt it'll affect anyone's taxes. it just all seems like a big ploy for people to pander to their constituency and pass a bunch of bullshit.
Their is no reason for many of these programs to be a function of the federal government. The Constitution is supposed to protect us from excess federal government intrusion. If a state thinks they are good then they can do it themselves.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
#14258618 - 04/08/11 01:42 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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millzy said: i see rhetoric but no data pertaining to my questions.
Honestly, I am not quite currently in the state to argue but the big issue they had was with the Clean Air Act passed by Nixon I believe.
Frankly, both sides are showing some crazy behavior right now. You have the GOP doing what it is doing and the dems saying things like this...
Rep. Ed Markey, D-Mass., went the furthest, arguing that limiting the EPA would empower Al-Qaida by keeping the U.S. dependent on foreign oil. “The Republicans have offered us a unilateral disarmament policy that Al-Qaida and other groups around the world will be able to exploit,”
I find it hard to believe terrorism has anything to do with the Clean Air Act.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
#14258623 - 04/08/11 01:43 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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none of this funding is unconstitutional. further, why "fuck npr"?
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millzy said: i see rhetoric but no data pertaining to my questions.
Honestly, I am not quite currently in the state to argue but the big issue they had was with the Clean Air Act passed by Nixon I believe.
Frankly, both sides are showing some crazy behavior right now. You have the GOP doing what it is doing and the dems saying things like this...
Rep. Ed Markey, D-Mass., went the furthest, arguing that limiting the EPA would empower Al-Qaida by keeping the U.S. dependent on foreign oil. “The Republicans have offered us a unilateral disarmament policy that Al-Qaida and other groups around the world will be able to exploit,”
I find it hard to believe terrorism has anything to do with the Clean Air Act.
i don't trust either side really, but i absolutely detest the gop's social platform. i'm sorry but i don't want white, christian rural/suburban yokels dictating how everyone else should live their lives.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
#14258662 - 04/08/11 01:49 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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i don't trust either side really, but i absolutely detest the gop's social platform. i'm sorry but i don't want white, christian rural/suburban yokels dictating how everyone else should live their lives.
And just like you, I don't want white, black, asian, or any government official running my life.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
#14258674 - 04/08/11 01:52 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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millzy said: none of this funding is unconstitutional. further, why "fuck npr"?
There is no reason whatsoever for the federal government to be funding any news organization ever. Or any arts. ANY.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
#14258691 - 04/08/11 01:56 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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i don't trust either side really, but i absolutely detest the gop's social platform. i'm sorry but i don't want white, christian rural/suburban yokels dictating how everyone else should live their lives.
Maybe you would like to see the "yokels" stripped of the vote? To be polite, you can kiss my butt, bigot.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
#14258696 - 04/08/11 01:57 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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millzy said: none of this funding is unconstitutional. further, why "fuck npr"?
There is no reason whatsoever for the federal government to be funding any news organization ever. Or any arts. ANY.
The ONLY reason the NATIONAL government was set up was to PROTECT THE CITIZENS.
NOT to pay for news. NOT to pay for healthcare. NOT to pay for handouts.
Socialist programs DO NOT WORK and never will. They are unsustainable and take from those who actually produce to give to those who do not.
Ayn Rand once said that Communism is slavery by force. Socialism is slavery by vote.
Never thought Id have this rant in my condition..
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
#14258705 - 04/08/11 01:58 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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i don't trust either side really, but i absolutely detest the gop's social platform. i'm sorry but i don't want white, christian rural/suburban yokels dictating how everyone else should live their lives.
Maybe you would like to see the "yokels" stripped of the vote? To be polite, you can kiss my butt, bigot.
Whoa all I was getting at was I do not want people telling me what to do. And that first quote "i dont trust either side.." was not me.
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#14258725 - 04/08/11 02:02 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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i don't want to see anyone stripped of their right to vote. it isn't a race thing with me, i was equating white and christian to a set of values that i personally find antiquated and counter productive.
moreover, i disagree that the government shouldn't be involved in funding some programs that benefit the public. i'll leave npr out of this, but the private sector via insurance companies is bleeding us dry in regard to healthcare. i simply don't think that seeing a doctor or having prescriptions should be a luxury. i don't think that straight socialism is the answer any more than straight capitalism is.
as far as handouts go, the only ones i'm seeing are to big corporations from both sides of the aisle.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: tohstygohsty]
#14258728 - 04/08/11 02:04 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I must apologize. That was for millzy. I fucked up with the quote thingy. He can kiss my butt.
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#14258739 - 04/08/11 02:06 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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The ONLY reason the NATIONAL government was set up was to PROTECT THE CITIZENS.
NOT to pay for news. NOT to pay for healthcare. NOT to pay for handouts.
I like you already! Let the individual states decide if they want to pay for news, pay for healthcare, pay for handouts, pay for socialism... it shouldn't be done at the federal level.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
#14258745 - 04/08/11 02:07 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I must apologize. That was for millzy. I fucked up with the quote thingy. He can kiss my butt.
that's a really cool story.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
#14258748 - 04/08/11 02:07 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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millzy said: i don't want to see anyone stripped of their right to vote. it isn't a race thing with me, i was equating white and christian to a set of values that i personally find antiquated and counter productive.
But which have created the vast wealth that you are currently the beneficiary of.Quote:
moreover, i disagree that the government shouldn't be involved in funding some programs that benefit the public. i'll leave npr out of this, but the private sector via insurance companies is bleeding us dry in regard to healthcare. i simply don't think that seeing a doctor or having prescriptions should be a luxury. i don't think that straight socialism is the answer any more than straight capitalism is.
Health insurance companies operate on about a 4% profit margin. They aren't bleeding anybody dry. The bleeding dry is from the ever increasing number of unproductive bums sucking at the public tit.Quote:
as far as handouts go, the only ones i'm seeing are to big corporations from both sides of the aisle.
Then you are completely blind. Did you know that not taking is different from giving? It's true.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
#14258758 - 04/08/11 02:10 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I must apologize. That was for millzy. I fucked up with the quote thingy. He can kiss my butt.
Quit killing my buzz man..nah I'm messing around. its cool. There was tons of quoting going on. 
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millzy said: i don't want to see anyone stripped of their right to vote. it isn't a race thing with me, i was equating white and christian to a set of values that i personally find antiquated and counter productive.
moreover, i disagree that the government shouldn't be involved in funding some programs that benefit the public. i'll leave npr out of this, but the private sector via insurance companies is bleeding us dry in regard to healthcare. i simply don't think that seeing a doctor or having prescriptions should be a luxury. i don't think that straight socialism is the answer any more than straight capitalism is.
as far as handouts go, the only ones i'm seeing are to big corporations from both sides of the aisle.
Yeah like this:
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/wash-post-cbs-nbc-should-disclose-receipt-of-obamacare-subsidies/
"So the Washington Post Co. couldn’t help but be pleased when it received a $570,000 bailout from ObamaCare‘s Early Retiree Reinsurance Program. That program allows the Obama administration to run up the national debt another $5 billion by doling out cash to corporations that provide retiree health benefits. The CBS Corporation received more than $720,000. General Electric, a part owner of NBC Universal, Inc., cleared nearly $37 million."
You mean very liberal leading news corps having been getting money from Obama? Who would have thought...theres a reasons they never even spoke bad about Obamacare.
Oh and theres that who appointment from GE that Obama did...
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
#14258765 - 04/08/11 02:11 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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oh bullshit on your healthcare point. the markup on doctor visits, procedures and prescriptions is absolutely insane here. when i lived overseas on '09 i didn't even have to use my insurance to see a doctor or fill my scripts.
i don't really follow the rest of your diatribe so i can't really respond.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
#14258777 - 04/08/11 02:13 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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millzy said: oh bullshit on your healthcare point. the markup on doctor visits, procedures and prescriptions is absolutely insane here. when i lived overseas on '09 i didn't even have to use my insurance to see a doctor or fill my scripts.
i don't really follow the rest of your diatribe so i can't really respond.
When you lived overseas somebody else paid. Duh. That's why you don't know how much shit costs. BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T FUCKING PAY FOR IT. But somebody did.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
#14258788 - 04/08/11 02:15 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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no, i paid for everything dipshit.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
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The healthcare thing really hit home for me, Ill try to tell this story as clearly as I can...
My sister was diagnosed with a VERY rare cancer. She was one out of 30 some people to have ever gotten it. When she was sent to St. Judes (great non-profit hospital in Tennessee) there were TONS of Canadians + other nationalities there.
The reason? Because they were diagnosed with pretty much death sentences. Needless to say, they went to the US to get taken care of as their gov't wouldn't pay for it and/or the actual care they would have gotten wouldn't have been the best.
Yes, just like what is going on right now with gov't cutbacks, healthcare too gets limited budgets. Id rather pay for the best healthcare then have the gov't tell me what my options are.
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meh, the media is peddling us the two common stereotypes of republican and democrat (and the parties play right along with the stereotype).
the most common myths are as follows:
republicans want to destroy the planet and save the unborn. democrats want to save the planet and destroy the unborn.
same old Reagan era narrative. i've already seen this movie. shit is so played out and boring and honestly comes across as an insult to my intelligence.
i just change the channel.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: tohstygohsty]
#14258834 - 04/08/11 02:26 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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insurance limits your options as well, and you're paying for healthcare in either case. i would tend to think that there is a viable solution for providing quality healthcare to everyone.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
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none this answers my original question btw. what else is on this bill?
btw zappa, i apologize for calling you a dipshit. that's not very constructive.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
#14258871 - 04/08/11 02:33 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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millzy said: no, i paid for everything dipshit.
No wonder you didn't have to use your insurance
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dipshit.
Nobody forces you to buy insurance and there are many many different kinds of policies.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
#14258895 - 04/08/11 02:38 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Health insurance companies operate on about a 4% profit margin. They aren't bleeding anybody dry. The bleeding dry is from the ever increasing number of unproductive bums sucking at the public tit.
source???
I have a doctor AND pharm. Tech in my family and they tend to disagree....
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
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no, you're not forced to buy insurance, but the cost of healthcare without it here is off the chart. kind of a catch 22. for less than 40 euro my ex wife and i were able to see a doctor and get two months worth of about 4 different scripts at a time, without insurance. the system is hardly perfect where i was, or anywhere, but as i mentioned before, i don't think being healthy should be a luxury item.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
#14258925 - 04/08/11 02:44 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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millzy said: none of this funding is unconstitutional. further, why "fuck npr"?
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/03/09/134358398/in-video-npr-exec-slams-tea-party-questions-need-for-federal-funds
npr has some decent programs. i admit, i listen to it on a semi-regular basis. but it should not be funded by tax payer dollars. especialy when it is such a partisan media outlet.
and planned parenthood...well, many republicans don't have problems with abortions (yeah, the christian ones do). what they do have a problem with is abortions being funded with taxpayer money. if you can come up with a good reason why taxpayers should fund abortions, then let me know. until then, i'll have to agree with them.
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millzy said: none this answers my original question btw. what else is on this bill?
btw zappa, i apologize for calling you a dipshit. that's not very constructive.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
#14258980 - 04/08/11 02:53 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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millzy said: no, you're not forced to buy insurance, but the cost of healthcare without it here is off the chart. kind of a catch 22. for less than 40 euro my ex wife and i were able to see a doctor and get two months worth of about 4 different scripts at a time, without insurance. the system is hardly perfect where i was, or anywhere, but as i mentioned before, i don't think being healthy should be a luxury item.
Insurance companies are not responsible for the cost of healthcare. What you fail to understand is that somebody else paid most of the bill for whatever you got. You just ponied up what is known as a "co-pay". How is it a luxury just because you have to pay for it? Is food a luxury? Housing? You have to pay directly for those things. Why should health care be any different?
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: JT]
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millzy said: none of this funding is unconstitutional. further, why "fuck npr"?
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/03/09/134358398/in-video-npr-exec-slams-tea-party-questions-need-for-federal-funds
npr has some decent programs. i admit, i listen to it on a semi-regular basis. but it should not be funded by tax payer dollars. especialy when it is such a partisan media outlet.
and planned parenthood...well, many republicans don't have problems with abortions (yeah, the christian ones do). what they do have a problem with is abortions being funded with taxpayer money. if you can come up with a good reason why taxpayers should fund abortions, then let me know. until then, i'll have to agree with them.
Well, from a completely fiscal point of view, it's a whole lot cheaper to abort an unwanted child than to pay for it to be in foster care for 18 years.
Considering the republicans consider money more important than the wellbeing of the citizens, it would make sense for them to pay for abortions.
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millzy said: none of this funding is unconstitutional. further, why "fuck npr"?
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/03/09/134358398/in-video-npr-exec-slams-tea-party-questions-need-for-federal-funds
npr has some decent programs. i admit, i listen to it on a semi-regular basis. but it should not be funded by tax payer dollars. especialy when it is such a partisan media outlet.
and planned parenthood...well, many republicans don't have problems with abortions (yeah, the christian ones do). what they do have a problem with is abortions being funded with taxpayer money. if you can come up with a good reason why taxpayers should fund abortions, then let me know. until then, i'll have to agree with them.
Well, from a completely fiscal point of view, it's a whole lot cheaper to abort an unwanted child than to pay for it to be in foster care for 18 years.
Considering the republicans consider money more important than the wellbeing of the citizens, it would make sense for them to pay for abortions.
That's pretty stupid. How about the well being of unborn babies? The left never ends with their buy me this buy me that crap. Buy your own fucking shit and shut the hell up. You know what else would be a big cost saver? Killing everybody when they won't work. Why should I have to pay for killing babies and not killing bums in general. Babies at least have potential. Proven losers have none.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
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i did not pay a copay when i lived overseas and used their system. the cost of prescriptions, procedures and doctor visits where i lived is simply not as expensive as it is here. we have the most expensive healthcare system in the world.
you may find this interesting.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
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15 year olds are going to get pregnant, no matter what we do. But you won't pay welfare to allow the babies to eat, and you won't pay to prevent the babies. Guess they'll just have to be put in dumpsters.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: BothHands]
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BothHands said: 15 year olds are going to get pregnant, no matter what we do. But you won't pay welfare to allow the babies to eat, and you won't pay to prevent the babies. Guess they'll just have to be put in dumpsters.
so it's a woman's right to have a baby she can't pay for (excluding rape and all that, which is horrible and is a different situation)?
again, it's not about abortion. it's about US paying for abortion. if the 15 year old wants to go abort the baby 2 weeks before it's born then that is her problem and her right. however, it is NOT right to make other people pay for it, especially when it goes against many people's religious values.
it'a not an attack on women, as mr. reid would like you to believe.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: JT]
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Women should not have kids they can't pay for. But they do. And we really can't do anything about it. And at that point, we really have to look at the wellbeing of the kid. It didn't ask for an irresponsible parent who would bring it into the world without means to pay for it. So should it starve?
In many cases, the kid would be better off not being born at all. Should it still be born and live in a crack house because abortions aren't available?
And the funding that goes to planned parenthood does not go towards abortion, as the republicans would have you believe. The government funding pays for birth control and condoms and the like. The abortions are funded through other means.
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putting taxpayer money into organizations like planned parenthood is hardly frivolous spending. nobody should be forced to have children they don't want, and while there are much healthier methods for birth control, and obviously adoption is an option for those not wanting to terminate a pregnancy, i think making abortions more difficult for people in lower income brackets to get is inhumane and counter productive. in a perfect world nobody would be having unprotected sex, but this isn't that world last i checked, and the lesser of two evils is providing a safe place to facilitate people making those choices. and i disagree on this not being the government's problem. unwanted babies born into poverty are at an automatic disadvantage and it feeds dependency on welfare programs (something the gop/tea party absolutely hate btw) and in a lot of cases fosters desperation that leads to criminal lifestyles, which in turn chokes the justice system. we have more prisons than any other country on the planet.
as i said above, imposing an idealist, antiquated ideology to social policy benefits no one. i'm tired of these people running my country.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
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millzy said: i did not pay a copay when i lived overseas and used their system. the cost of prescriptions, procedures and doctor visits where i lived is simply not as expensive as it is here. we have the most expensive healthcare system in the world.
you may find this interesting.
http://www.visualeconomics.com/healthcare-costs-around-the-world_2010-03-01/
Somebody else paid most of the expenses. You paid a fraction of what the services cost. That's a co-pay. That's a fact.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: BothHands]
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BothHands said: 15 year olds are going to get pregnant, no matter what we do. But you won't pay welfare to allow the babies to eat, and you won't pay to prevent the babies. Guess they'll just have to be put in dumpsters.
So I should be on the hook for the bill for every idiot's mistake? How about you do it. Go ahead, big mouth, adopt a crack baby.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
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That won't be necessary if they're given the contraceptive options, as well as the option to have an abortion if necessary.
And I do plan on adopting, thanks.
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BothHands said: That won't be necessary if they're given the contraceptive options, as well as the option to have an abortion if necessary.
And I do plan on adopting, thanks.
They do have that option. Always have. You think me not buying you something means you can't have it. Sad.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
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When it comes to a 15 year old living in the projects with crack adicted parents, yes, if someone doesn't pay for it for her, she can't have it.
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Why do you just get your hand out of my pocket and do it yourself if you think it's so important.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
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Yeah, I'll just pay for all the abortions in the country.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: BothHands]
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Knock yourself out, you like 'em so much.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
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millzy said: no, i paid for everything dipshit.
Hey millzy, please check out the rules for this forum.
There aren't many , but one of the few things you absolutely can't do is to call people names. Generally if you stick to the issues you'll be cool.
Re: your post, I'm just curious:
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oh bullshit on your healthcare point. the markup on doctor visits, procedures and prescriptions is absolutely insane here. when i lived overseas on '09 i didn't even have to use my insurance to see a doctor or fill my scripts.
i don't really follow the rest of your diatribe so i can't really respond.
What is your point here? That things are allegedly better here, there, or anywhere doesn't thereby give support for any particular difference between the two. You seem to just pick out one difference between the two systems and arbitrarily presume that is the causual variable.
Further, what does whether you used your insurance, had to or whatever, have to do with anything? Where exactly do you have to use your insurance? If you don't like insurance, why aren't you addressing that, rather than this apparently arbitrarily-chosen government-paid option?
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millzy said: no, i paid for everything dipshit.
Hey millzy, please check out the rules for this forum.
There aren't many , but one of the few things you absolutely can't do is to call people names. Generally if you stick to the issues you'll be cool.
i apologized about a page or so back immediately after i said that. not sure how you missed that, but whatever. it's normally not the way i discuss issues and i owned up to my mistake.
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Further, what does whether you used your insurance, had to or whatever, have to do with anything? Where exactly do you have to use your insurance? If you don't like insurance, why aren't you addressing that, rather than this apparently arbitrarily-chosen government-paid option?
i was simply stating that i received comparable care, at least on the level of an average doctor visit and paying for prescription meds, at a vastly less expensive rate, without insurance, there, than what i would have had to come out of pocket, with insurance, for the same thing, here. i wouldn't definitively say that things are better there than here, but they are definitely less expensive, so in that regard they are better there. i'm having a hard time seeing why this is such a difficult point to grasp.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
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I think the point you are missing is that they have compulsory insurance that costs every taxpayer over there huge money (you know they are all more broke than even us) even if you never have to open your wallet. Somebody, i.e. the taxpayer, bought your health care.
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you're talking about ika, which is greece's public insurance company (i lived in northern crete). you have to be a) a citizen and b) enrolled in that to use it, and typically it's dispersed through your employer. i lived in greece as an american citizen and paid cash for all of the healthcare services i received that was not covered by my own american issued insurance.
the only person who paid for my healthcare was me. that's like saying the greek taxpayers helped pay for my pizza because the government places caps on how much a business is able to charge for a meal.
now, to cut you off at the pass, the greeks are admittedly broke, but it has nothing to do with their healthcare system.
so again, you're wrong. not like a little bit wrong, but completely and totally wrong. extremely cool story nonetheless.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
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Dude, everybody in Greece is on the government tit in some way, including doctors.
And health care costs are most certainly a big part of their problem.
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/sigh
no, again, you're wrong. the problem with the greeks is that they don't work, and exploit some key loopholes that exclude them from paying the taxes that they should, so you don't have any public money for anything, hence why they're broke. if people worked and paid what they should in taxes things would be better there. it has nothing to do with public healthcare.
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LOL. What do you think is one of the biggest things they spent the money they borrowed on?
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you're not understanding what i'm saying, again. they're borrowing money b/c they don't have enough to begin with because virtually nobody pays what they should be paying in taxes.
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millzy said: you're not understanding what i'm saying, again. they're borrowing money b/c they don't have enough to begin with because virtually nobody pays what they should be paying in taxes.
Why should anybody pay taxes to subsidize your health care?
You aren't getting what I'm saying. I'm saying that what you paid was subsidized by government interference. Now Greece most certainly has a huge tax collection problem. But that isn't what is bankrupting Greece. You got it right in your earlier post when you said "the problem with the greeks is that they don't work". They are lazy fucking bums and have been living off of the borrowed government tit for decades. Everybody wants a handout and nobody wants to pay. My solution? Stop the fucking handouts.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: BothHands]
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BothHands said: Women should not have kids they can't pay for. But they do. And we really can't do anything about it. And at that point, we really have to look at the wellbeing of the kid. It didn't ask for an irresponsible parent who would bring it into the world without means to pay for it. So should it starve?
In many cases, the kid would be better off not being born at all. Should it still be born and live in a crack house because abortions aren't available?
Poverty isn't a permanent situation. You don't see the irony in your statements? That the baby should die if the parents aren't well off? So it should die? Give me a break, "better off not being born at all" like what the fuck are you kidding me? This is liberal compassion at work. And you fear mongering a statement about being born in crack houses because abortions aren't available. Condoms and birth control work quite well. It's your right to kill your own child if you want because I know the female will throw themselves down a flight of stairs and do it some other way if they really want to kill the defenseless baby, but MURDERING THE BABY is looking out for its well being?
Having an abortion is probably a dramatic experience but you sure as hell don't act like it is with your words. You act like human life is some sort of game where you can have a do over whenever you want. This is so sad.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: despisedicon]
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It's a tadpole. That being said, except in case of rape, I will never have an abortion, and I personally think it's despicable that people use them as birth control. But if you're unwilling to pay for the baby's welfare (and you are), then it's more humane to kill it as a tadpole than letting it starve in an impoverished inner city crack house.
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I would very much prefer that the government would pay to feed, cloth and shelter the child instead. But the republicans don't think it's their problem, and don't give a shit if the kid dies of starvation, as long as it doesn't cost them anything. So how about letting it happen quickly and painlessly before consciousness instead?
BS on fear mongering. People in the middle and upper classes can afford to pay for their kids, even if the conception was accidental. But the impoverished people can't. They have no other options. Either get government funding to feed, cloth, and shelter their kids. Or have an abortion. Or stick the kid in a dumpster. Those are the options. And since you want to close all welfare programs completely, the best option, option 1 will be eliminated. If you eliminate option two as well, you're left with a dumpster.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: BothHands]
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That's an admirable position. And it's not a tadpole. It's a human being that is your child and I also find it despicable that being use them as a form of birth control. You had me a bit worried for a second because you sounded like one of those women.
But you don't agree with me, BothHands that poverty is a state that can be reversed in time? We have a welfare system that takes care of those who qualify. Killing the child is a pretty extreme alternative to living in poverty.
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Don't forget about adoption. Adoption is pretty much always better than death. Unless your parents are the "balloon boy" family
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despisedicon said: But you don't agree with me, BothHands that poverty is a state that can be reversed in time?
It's possible, but extremely rare. These kids don't have parents to tell them to do their homework. The parents don't give a shit. You think a 6 year old has the sense to do his homework when there are no consequences (that he can understand) for not doing it? And because the parents aren't helping the kids, the teachers suffer in pay. So now you've got pissed off underpaid teachers AND shitty parents. That kid has no fuckin' chance.
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We have a welfare system that takes care of those who qualify.
The argument was based on the fact that they want to do away with the welfare system as well as the option to have abortions. Sure, there's contraception, but these kids just don't want to use it, and there's not much we can do to change that.
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Killing the child is a pretty extreme alternative to living in poverty.
Sure it's extreme, but so is a lifetime of poverty, especially with the way things are headed. The welfare programs are getting less and less funding, and the republicans, who will surely win in 2012, are hoping to eliminate them completely.
It would be akin to euthanizing a suffering animal imo.
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That's true, and a select few get extremely lucky, and find good parents. But most don't. Most find their way into group homes or foster care where they often suffer even worse than they would have in the ghettos.
It's just a bad situation all around, no matter what we do. All we can do is take the lesser of the evils and pay into the social programs to help kids with irresponsible parents.
That's my primary stance: keep the social programs open and funded. We can fix our budget by not fighting in 3 neverending wars, or fixing our corporate situation. But we have a responsibility to our citizens first. And I say that as someone who is not funded by social progams, and never has been.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: BothHands]
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It is a slander and a lie that Republicans desire to entirely eliminate the social safety net. Don't you consider that by ensuring welfare for the able bodied you encourage them to continue to be wards of the state? Because I sure as shit do. People need to shed their excuses and own their own lives. Nannies never let that happen.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: BothHands]
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BothHands said: BS on fear mongering. People in the middle and upper classes can afford to pay for their kids, even if the conception was accidental. But the impoverished people can't. They have no other options. Either get government funding to feed, cloth, and shelter their kids. Or have an abortion. Or stick the kid in a dumpster. Those are the options. And since you want to close all welfare programs completely, the best option, option 1 will be eliminated. If you eliminate option two as well, you're left with a dumpster.
no, they had the option to get off their asses, hit the health department or planned parenthood and get some of several forms of birth control offered
unfortunately they came up with an excuse that day so they couldnt get it
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how would one qualify, I've been unemployed for 3 years, no income at all and I cant get welfare
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zappaisgod said: It is a slander and a lie that Republicans desire to entirely eliminate the social safety net. Don't you consider that by ensuring welfare for the able bodied you encourage them to continue to be wards of the state? Because I sure as shit do. People need to shed their excuses and own their own lives. Nannies never let that happen.
"Abled bodied" doesn't mean anything. You can be able bodied, but still have zero education because your asshole parents didn't make you go to school or do your homework, and your teachers' job depended on how well you did, so they just fed you all the answers. So you can work at Mc Donalds. Good luck paying rent on minimum wage. You want to eliminate the safety net for these able bodied people?
How would you regulate who got what? I'm definitely in favor of regulation at a liberal. Stereotypically so.
But how would you do it? The work that would go into comprehensive background checks on the each individual's situation to assess need would likely cost more than the welfare itself.
And I've heard several of you guys, most notibly Suess claim to want to dismantle the entire system.
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unfortunately they came up with an excuse that day so they couldnt get it
They can, but they don't. So once they're already pregnant, those are the 3 options.
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Why not? Did you have it and it ran out?
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zappaisgod said: It is a slander and a lie that Republicans desire to entirely eliminate the social safety net. Don't you consider that by ensuring welfare for the able bodied you encourage them to continue to be wards of the state? Because I sure as shit do. People need to shed their excuses and own their own lives. Nannies never let that happen.
"Abled bodied" doesn't mean anything. You can be able bodied, but still have zero education because your asshole parents didn't make you go to school or do your homework, and your teachers' job depended on how well you did, so they just fed you all the answers. So you can work at Mc Donalds. Good luck paying rent on minimum wage. You want to eliminate the safety net for these able bodied people?
Or you can sweat for a living like I did for years. Illegal workers where I live make $100 a day plus lunch and transportation. With no attitude.Quote:
How would you regulate who got what? I'm definitely in favor of regulation at a liberal. Stereotypically so.
But how would you do it? The work that would go into comprehensive background checks on the each individual's situation to assess need would likely cost more than the welfare itself.
We are currently paying huge amounts of money to supposedly monitor welfare recipients. They are incompetent and corrupt and think they are hot shit because they can give their homeys bucks. A social sciences degree should be a disqualifier for employment in welfare management.Quote:
And I've heard several of you guys, most notibly Suess claim to want to dismantle the entire system.
The current system that rewards sloth, yes. It is a disgrace. There is no way a young healthy person should get a cent.Quote:
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Prisoner#1 said: no, they had the option to get off their asses, hit the health department or planned parenthood and get some of several forms of birth control offered
unfortunately they came up with an excuse that day so they couldnt get it
They can, but they don't. So once they're already pregnant, those are the 3 options.
Tough.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
#14274151 - 04/11/11 06:41 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Tough.
And we get down to the crux of the problem.
It's not the fucking kid's fault his asshole irresponsible parents didn't feel like contraception. And people like you who would prefer to let the innocent kid starve than give them money for food and shelter are worse than the parasites that leech off the system.
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The current system that rewards sloth, yes. It is a disgrace. There is no way a young healthy person should get a cent.
"eliminate entitlement programs completely" is a whole different matter to reforming the system. I've seen the former being championed by the conservatives of this site.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: BothHands]
#14274333 - 04/11/11 07:10 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Tough.
And we get down to the crux of the problem.
It's not the fucking kid's fault his asshole irresponsible parents didn't feel like contraception. And people like you who would prefer to let the innocent kid starve than give them money for food and shelter are worse than the parasites that leech off the system.
So you think that the current system that gives parents rewards for having children they can't support is the way to go? It is a fact of nature irrefutable that every kid is a victim of his/her parents.Quote:
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The current system that rewards sloth, yes. It is a disgrace. There is no way a young healthy person should get a cent.
"eliminate entitlement programs completely" is a whole different matter to reforming the system. I've seen the former being championed by the conservatives of this site.
Really? Not me.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
#14274376 - 04/11/11 07:21 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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So you think that the current system that gives parents rewards for having children they can't support is the way to go? It is a fact of nature irrefutable that every kid is a victim of his/her parents.
I hate that it has to be like this, but the alternative is letting the kids starve.
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"eliminate entitlement programs completely" is a whole different matter to reforming the system. I've seen the former being championed by the conservatives of this site.
Really? Not me.
I'm not so sure, but I'm not going to go look through your post history, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. In this case you're an exception, and I'm sorry I grouped you with them.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: BothHands]
#14277217 - 04/12/11 10:11 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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So you think that the current system that gives parents rewards for having children they can't support is the way to go? It is a fact of nature irrefutable that every kid is a victim of his/her parents.
I hate that it has to be like this, but the alternative is letting the kids starve.
No it isn't. There are many many numerous voluntary charities set up by people who actually have knowledge of the individuals. Quote:
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"eliminate entitlement programs completely" is a whole different matter to reforming the system. I've seen the former being championed by the conservatives of this site.
Really? Not me.
I'm not so sure, but I'm not going to go look through your post history, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. In this case you're an exception, and I'm sorry I grouped you with them.
I don't think you're correct. Almost all of the conservatives here believe in some safety net for needy and deserving individuals. Our issue is that many undeserving individuals receive benefits, many people adjust their lifestyles to accrue benefits, and the administrators of those benefits are mindless bureaucrats at best, out-right crooks often and abusive tyrant crooks at worst.
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: despisedicon]
#14283156 - 04/13/11 10:40 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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despisedicon said: Why not? Did you have it and it ran out?
nope... never once in my life have I collected unemployment or other 'government benefit', my assumption is that I'm too male and too pale to qualify for government assistance
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: BothHands]
#14283182 - 04/13/11 10:47 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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So you think that the current system that gives parents rewards for having children they can't support is the way to go? It is a fact of nature irrefutable that every kid is a victim of his/her parents.
I hate that it has to be like this, but the alternative is letting the kids starve.
maybe that's what's required to curb the government sponsored breeders, of course there are tens of thousands of charitable organizations with private funding that donate food, clothes and even provide for housing of the indigent especially those with children. I know a woman that brags about taking advantage of these programs through churches, collects government aid and has others paying her rent and utilities
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14287833 - 04/14/11 12:38 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Prisoner, how is it possible you can have no income for three years and survive? Do you mean no regular job, and you do side jobs, or no income whatsoever? There must be some morbidly obese Mexican skanks that would be willing to pay a few pesos for a gringo-man whore.
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