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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
    #14260151 - 04/08/11 06:37 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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i did not pay a copay when i lived overseas and used their system. the cost of prescriptions, procedures and doctor visits where i lived is simply not as expensive as it is here. we have the most expensive healthcare system in the world.

you may find this interesting.

http://www.visualeconomics.com/healthcare-costs-around-the-world_2010-03-01/



Somebody else paid most of the expenses.  You paid a fraction of what the services cost.  That's a co-pay.  That's a fact.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: BothHands]
    #14260158 - 04/08/11 06:38 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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15 year olds are going to get pregnant, no matter what we do.  But you won't pay welfare to allow the babies to eat, and you won't pay to prevent the babies.  Guess they'll just have to be put in dumpsters.



So I should be on the hook for the bill for every idiot's mistake?  How about you do it.  Go ahead, big mouth, adopt a crack baby.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14260169 - 04/08/11 06:40 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

That won't be necessary if they're given the contraceptive options, as well as the option to have an abortion if necessary.

And I do plan on adopting, thanks.

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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: BothHands]
    #14260197 - 04/08/11 06:47 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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That won't be necessary if they're given the contraceptive options, as well as the option to have an abortion if necessary.

And I do plan on adopting, thanks.




They do have that option.  Always have.  You think me not buying you something means you can't have it.  Sad.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14260210 - 04/08/11 06:50 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

When it comes to a 15 year old living in the projects with crack adicted parents, yes, if someone doesn't pay for it for her, she can't have it.

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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: BothHands]
    #14260221 - 04/08/11 06:54 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Why do you just get your hand out of my pocket and do it yourself if you think it's so important.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14260227 - 04/08/11 06:54 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, I'll just pay for all the abortions in the country.

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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: BothHands]
    #14260232 - 04/08/11 06:56 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Knock yourself out, you like 'em so much.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
    #14262700 - 04/09/11 11:28 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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no, i paid for everything dipshit.




Hey millzy, please check out the rules for this forum.

There aren't many , but one of the few things you absolutely can't do is to call people names.  Generally if you stick to the issues you'll be cool.


Re: your post, I'm just curious:
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oh bullshit on your healthcare point. the markup on doctor visits, procedures and prescriptions is absolutely insane here. when i lived overseas on '09 i didn't even have to use my insurance to see a doctor or fill my scripts.

i don't really follow the rest of your diatribe so i can't really respond.





What is your point here?  That things are allegedly better here, there, or anywhere doesn't thereby give support for any particular difference between the two.  You seem to just pick out one difference between the two systems and arbitrarily presume that is the causual variable.

Further, what does whether you used your insurance, had to or whatever, have to do with anything?  Where exactly do you have to use your insurance?  If you don't like insurance, why aren't you addressing that, rather than this apparently arbitrarily-chosen government-paid option?

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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: johnm214]
    #14263630 - 04/09/11 04:09 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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no, i paid for everything dipshit.




Hey millzy, please check out the rules for this forum.

There aren't many , but one of the few things you absolutely can't do is to call people names.  Generally if you stick to the issues you'll be cool.




i apologized about a page or so back immediately after i said that. not sure how you missed that, but whatever. it's normally not the way i discuss issues and i owned up to my mistake.


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What is your point here?  That things are allegedly better here, there, or anywhere doesn't thereby give support for any particular difference between the two.  You seem to just pick out one difference between the two systems and arbitrarily presume that is the causual variable.

Further, what does whether you used your insurance, had to or whatever, have to do with anything?  Where exactly do you have to use your insurance?  If you don't like insurance, why aren't you addressing that, rather than this apparently arbitrarily-chosen government-paid option?




i was simply stating that i received comparable care, at least on the level of an average doctor visit and paying for prescription meds, at a vastly less expensive rate, without insurance, there, than what i would have had to come out of pocket, with insurance, for the same thing, here. i wouldn't definitively say that things are better there than here, but they are definitely less expensive, so in that regard they are better there. i'm having a hard time seeing why this is such a difficult point to grasp.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
    #14263656 - 04/09/11 04:17 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I think the point you are missing is that they have compulsory insurance that costs every taxpayer over there huge money (you know they are all more broke than even us) even if you never have to open your wallet.  Somebody, i.e. the taxpayer, bought your health care.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14263950 - 04/09/11 06:07 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

you're talking about ika, which is greece's public insurance company (i lived in northern crete). you have to be a) a citizen and b) enrolled in that to use it, and typically it's dispersed through your employer. i lived in greece as an american citizen and paid cash for all of the healthcare services i received that was not covered by my own american issued insurance.

the only person who paid for my healthcare was me. that's like saying the greek taxpayers helped pay for my pizza because the government places caps on how much a business is able to charge for a meal.

now, to cut you off at the pass, the greeks are admittedly broke, but it has nothing to do with their healthcare system.

so again, you're wrong. not like a little bit wrong, but completely and totally wrong. extremely cool story nonetheless.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
    #14263964 - 04/09/11 06:14 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Dude, everybody in Greece is on the government tit in some way, including doctors.

And health care costs are most certainly a big part of their problem.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14264028 - 04/09/11 06:44 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

/sigh

no, again, you're wrong. the problem with the greeks is that they don't work, and exploit some key loopholes that exclude them from paying the taxes that they should, so you don't have any public money for anything, hence why they're broke. if people worked and paid what they should in taxes things would be better there. it has nothing to do with public healthcare.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
    #14266227 - 04/10/11 10:00 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

LOL.  What do you think is one of the biggest things they spent the money they borrowed on?


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14266505 - 04/10/11 11:01 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

you're not understanding what i'm saying, again. they're borrowing money b/c they don't have enough to begin with because virtually nobody pays what they should be paying in taxes.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
    #14266545 - 04/10/11 11:09 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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you're not understanding what i'm saying, again. they're borrowing money b/c they don't have enough to begin with because virtually nobody pays what they should be paying in taxes.



Why should anybody pay taxes to subsidize your health care?

You aren't getting what I'm saying.  I'm saying that what you paid was subsidized by government interference.  Now Greece most certainly has a huge tax collection problem.  But that isn't what is bankrupting Greece.  You got it right in your earlier post when you said "the problem with the greeks is that they don't work".  They are lazy fucking bums and have been living off of the borrowed government tit for decades.  Everybody wants a handout and nobody wants to pay.  My solution?  Stop the fucking handouts.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: BothHands]
    #14272034 - 04/11/11 12:14 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Women should not have kids they can't pay for.  But they do.  And we really can't do anything about it.  And at that point, we really have to look at the wellbeing of the kid.  It didn't ask for an irresponsible parent who would bring it into the world without means to pay for it.  So should it starve? 

In many cases, the kid would be better off not being born at all.  Should it still be born and live in a crack house because abortions aren't available?





Poverty isn't a permanent situation.  You don't see the irony in your statements?  That the baby should die if the parents aren't well off? So it should die?  Give me a break, "better off not being born at all" like what the fuck are you kidding me? This is liberal compassion at work.  And you fear mongering a statement about being born in crack houses because abortions aren't available.  Condoms and birth control work quite well.  It's your right to kill your own child if you want because I know the female will throw themselves down a flight of stairs and do it some other way if they really want to kill the defenseless baby, but MURDERING THE BABY is looking out for its well being? 

Having an abortion is probably a dramatic experience but you sure as hell don't act like it is with your words. You act like human life is some sort of game where you can have a do over whenever you want. This is so sad.

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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: despisedicon]
    #14272086 - 04/11/11 12:24 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

It's a tadpole.  That being said, except in case of rape, I will never have an abortion, and I personally think it's despicable that people use them as birth control.  But if you're unwilling to pay for the baby's welfare (and you are), then it's more humane to kill it as a tadpole than letting it starve in an impoverished inner city crack house.

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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: BothHands]
    #14272144 - 04/11/11 12:35 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I would very much prefer that the government would pay to feed, cloth and shelter the child instead.  But the republicans don't think it's their problem, and don't give a shit if the kid dies of starvation, as long as it doesn't cost them anything.  So how about letting it happen quickly and painlessly before consciousness instead?

BS on fear mongering.  People in the middle and upper classes can afford to pay for their kids, even if the conception was accidental.  But the impoverished people can't.  They have no other options.  Either get government funding to feed, cloth, and shelter their kids.  Or have an abortion.  Or stick the kid in a dumpster.  Those are the options.  And since you want to close all welfare programs completely, the best option, option 1 will be eliminated.  If you eliminate option two as well, you're left with a dumpster.

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