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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14258765 - 04/08/11 02:11 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

oh bullshit on your healthcare point. the markup on doctor visits, procedures and prescriptions is absolutely insane here. when i lived overseas on '09 i didn't even have to use my insurance to see a doctor or fill my scripts.

i don't really follow the rest of your diatribe so i can't really respond.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
    #14258777 - 04/08/11 02:13 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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millzy said:
oh bullshit on your healthcare point. the markup on doctor visits, procedures and prescriptions is absolutely insane here. when i lived overseas on '09 i didn't even have to use my insurance to see a doctor or fill my scripts.

i don't really follow the rest of your diatribe so i can't really respond.



When you lived overseas somebody else paid.  Duh.  That's why you don't know how much shit costs.  BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T FUCKING PAY FOR IT.  But somebody did.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14258788 - 04/08/11 02:15 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

no, i paid for everything dipshit.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
    #14258820 - 04/08/11 02:22 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

The healthcare thing really hit home for me, Ill try to tell this story as clearly as I can...

My sister was diagnosed with a VERY rare cancer. She was one out of 30 some people to have ever gotten it. When she was sent to St. Judes (great non-profit hospital in Tennessee) there were TONS of Canadians + other nationalities there.

The reason? Because they were diagnosed with pretty much death sentences. Needless to say, they went to the US to get taken care of as their gov't wouldn't pay for it and/or the actual care they would have gotten wouldn't have been the best.

Yes, just like what is going on right now with gov't cutbacks, healthcare too gets limited budgets. Id rather pay for the best healthcare then have the gov't tell me what my options are.

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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy] * 1
    #14258831 - 04/08/11 02:25 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

meh, the media is peddling us the two common stereotypes of republican and democrat (and the parties play right along with the stereotype).

the most common myths are as follows:

republicans want to destroy the planet and save the unborn.
democrats want to save the planet and destroy the unborn.

same old Reagan era narrative. i've already seen this movie. shit is so played out and boring and honestly comes across as an insult to my intelligence.

i just change the channel.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: tohstygohsty]
    #14258834 - 04/08/11 02:26 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

insurance limits your options as well, and you're paying for healthcare in either case. i would tend to think that there is a viable solution for providing quality healthcare to everyone.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
    #14258856 - 04/08/11 02:30 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

none this answers my original question btw. what else is on this bill?

btw zappa, i apologize for calling you a dipshit. that's not very constructive.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
    #14258871 - 04/08/11 02:33 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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no, i paid for everything dipshit.



No wonder you didn't have to use your insurance
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dipshit.




Nobody forces you to buy insurance and there are many many different kinds of policies.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14258895 - 04/08/11 02:38 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Health insurance companies operate on about a 4% profit margin.  They aren't bleeding anybody dry.  The bleeding dry is from the ever increasing number of unproductive bums sucking at the public tit.




source???

I have a doctor AND pharm. Tech in my family and they tend to disagree....
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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14258909 - 04/08/11 02:40 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

no, you're not forced to buy insurance, but the cost of healthcare without it here is off the chart. kind of a catch 22. for less than 40 euro my ex wife and i were able to see a doctor and get two months worth of about 4 different scripts at a time, without insurance. the system is hardly perfect where i was, or anywhere, but as i mentioned before, i don't think being healthy should be a luxury item.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
    #14258925 - 04/08/11 02:44 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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none of this funding is unconstitutional. further, why "fuck npr"?



http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/03/09/134358398/in-video-npr-exec-slams-tea-party-questions-need-for-federal-funds

npr has some decent programs. i admit, i listen to it on a semi-regular basis. but it should not be funded by tax payer dollars. especialy when it is such a partisan media outlet.

and planned parenthood...well, many republicans don't have problems with abortions (yeah, the christian ones do). what they do have a problem with is abortions being funded with taxpayer money. if you can come up with a good reason why taxpayers should fund abortions, then let me know. until then, i'll have to agree with them.

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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy] * 1
    #14258954 - 04/08/11 02:48 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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none this answers my original question btw. what else is on this bill?

btw zappa, i apologize for calling you a dipshit. that's not very constructive.



Accepted.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
    #14258980 - 04/08/11 02:53 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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no, you're not forced to buy insurance, but the cost of healthcare without it here is off the chart. kind of a catch 22. for less than 40 euro my ex wife and i were able to see a doctor and get two months worth of about 4 different scripts at a time, without insurance. the system is hardly perfect where i was, or anywhere, but as i mentioned before, i don't think being healthy should be a luxury item.




Insurance companies are not responsible for the cost of healthcare.  What you fail to understand is that somebody else paid most of the bill for whatever you got.  You just ponied up what is known as a "co-pay".  How is it a luxury just because you have to pay for it?  Is food a luxury?  Housing?  You have to pay directly for those things.  Why should health care be any different?


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: JT]
    #14259170 - 04/08/11 03:27 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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millzy said:
none of this funding is unconstitutional. further, why "fuck npr"?



http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/03/09/134358398/in-video-npr-exec-slams-tea-party-questions-need-for-federal-funds

npr has some decent programs. i admit, i listen to it on a semi-regular basis. but it should not be funded by tax payer dollars. especialy when it is such a partisan media outlet.

and planned parenthood...well, many republicans don't have problems with abortions (yeah, the christian ones do). what they do have a problem with is abortions being funded with taxpayer money. if you can come up with a good reason why taxpayers should fund abortions, then let me know. until then, i'll have to agree with them.




Well, from a completely fiscal point of view, it's a whole lot cheaper to abort an unwanted child than to pay for it to be in foster care for 18 years.

Considering the republicans consider money more important than the wellbeing of the citizens, it would make sense for them to pay for abortions.

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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: BothHands]
    #14259259 - 04/08/11 03:38 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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JT said:
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millzy said:
none of this funding is unconstitutional. further, why "fuck npr"?



http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/03/09/134358398/in-video-npr-exec-slams-tea-party-questions-need-for-federal-funds

npr has some decent programs. i admit, i listen to it on a semi-regular basis. but it should not be funded by tax payer dollars. especialy when it is such a partisan media outlet.

and planned parenthood...well, many republicans don't have problems with abortions (yeah, the christian ones do). what they do have a problem with is abortions being funded with taxpayer money. if you can come up with a good reason why taxpayers should fund abortions, then let me know. until then, i'll have to agree with them.




Well, from a completely fiscal point of view, it's a whole lot cheaper to abort an unwanted child than to pay for it to be in foster care for 18 years.

Considering the republicans consider money more important than the wellbeing of the citizens, it would make sense for them to pay for abortions.



That's pretty stupid.  How about the well being of unborn babies?  The left never ends with their buy me this buy me that crap.  Buy your own fucking shit and shut the hell up.  You know what else would be a big cost saver?  Killing everybody when they won't work.  Why should I have to pay for killing babies and not killing bums in general.  Babies at least have potential.  Proven losers have none.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14259338 - 04/08/11 03:53 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i did not pay a copay when i lived overseas and used their system. the cost of prescriptions, procedures and doctor visits where i lived is simply not as expensive as it is here. we have the most expensive healthcare system in the world.

you may find this interesting.

http://www.visualeconomics.com/healthcare-costs-around-the-world_2010-03-01/


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14259406 - 04/08/11 04:06 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

15 year olds are going to get pregnant, no matter what we do.  But you won't pay welfare to allow the babies to eat, and you won't pay to prevent the babies.  Guess they'll just have to be put in dumpsters.

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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: BothHands]
    #14259840 - 04/08/11 05:34 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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15 year olds are going to get pregnant, no matter what we do.  But you won't pay welfare to allow the babies to eat, and you won't pay to prevent the babies.  Guess they'll just have to be put in dumpsters.



so it's a woman's right to have a baby she can't pay for (excluding rape and all that, which is horrible and is a different situation)?

again, it's not about abortion. it's about US paying for abortion. if the 15 year old wants to go abort the baby 2 weeks before it's born then that is her problem and her right. however, it is NOT right to make other people pay for it, especially when it goes against many people's religious values.

it'a not an attack on women, as mr. reid would like you to believe.

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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: JT]
    #14259928 - 04/08/11 05:47 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Women should not have kids they can't pay for.  But they do.  And we really can't do anything about it.  And at that point, we really have to look at the wellbeing of the kid.  It didn't ask for an irresponsible parent who would bring it into the world without means to pay for it.  So should it starve? 

In many cases, the kid would be better off not being born at all.  Should it still be born and live in a crack house because abortions aren't available?

And the funding that goes to planned parenthood does not go towards abortion, as the republicans would have you believe.  The government funding pays for birth control and condoms and the like.  The abortions are funded through other means.

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    #14259969 - 04/08/11 05:55 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

putting taxpayer money into organizations like planned parenthood is hardly frivolous spending. nobody should be forced to have children they don't want, and while there are much healthier methods for birth control, and obviously adoption is an option for those not wanting to terminate a pregnancy, i think making abortions more difficult for people in lower income brackets to get is inhumane and counter productive. in a perfect world nobody would be having unprotected sex, but this isn't that world last i checked, and the lesser of two evils is providing a safe place to facilitate people making those choices. and i disagree on this not being the government's problem. unwanted babies born into poverty are at an automatic disadvantage and it feeds dependency on welfare programs (something the gop/tea party absolutely hate btw) and in a lot of cases fosters desperation that leads to criminal lifestyles, which in turn chokes the justice system. we have more prisons than any other country on the planet.

as i said above, imposing an idealist, antiquated ideology to social policy benefits no one. i'm tired of these people running my country.


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