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republican "riders" on the budget bill
    #14258506 - 04/08/11 01:08 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i was hearing on the news today that there are quite a few attachments on the budget bill that republicans are trying to push that pertain to social issues, such as stopping federal funding for planned parenthood and limiting the epa's ability to do its job. i was wondering if anyone knew more about this and what else is going to be passed under our noses.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
    #14258551 - 04/08/11 01:22 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Nothing is being passed under your nose, unlike the Health Deform law (Nancy "we have to pass it to see what's in it" Pelousi).  The EPA has become a ridiculous octopus with it's vast overreach (CO2 is not a pollutant).  There is no reason at all for the federal government to have ever funded Planned Parenthood.  Or the NEA or NPR or a whole host of other shit that is none of it's fucking business.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #14258572 - 04/08/11 01:29 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

the npr issue is a travesty. it frightens me to think that the tea party has that much influence.

i don't know enough about the epa deal to comment, which is why i'm asking. i don't see how it has too much power now.

as for planned parenthood, i'm unclear as to who benefits from them getting their funding cut. lower income people definitely don't.

i don't see how any of this benefits anyone actually. they're shaving millimeters off of the budget with the amount they're cutting and i highly doubt it'll affect anyone's taxes. it just all seems like a big ploy for people to pander to their constituency and pass a bunch of bullshit.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14258580 - 04/08/11 01:31 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Nothing is being passed under your nose, unlike the Health Deform law (Nancy "we have to pass it to see what's in it" Pelousi).  The EPA has become a ridiculous octopus with it's vast overreach (CO2 is not a pollutant).  There is no reason at all for the federal government to have ever funded Planned Parenthood.  Or the NEA or NPR or a whole host of other shit that is none of it's fucking business.




Exactly. I couldn't have put it better.  The idea being that further restrictions will do nothing but hinder the economy even more.

“The Environmental Protection Agency and the Obama administration have decided basically just because they have the ability to decide as the executive branch that they want to put the American economy in a straight-jacket … with these greenhouse gas regulations,” said Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas)."

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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: tohstygohsty]
    #14258582 - 04/08/11 01:32 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i see rhetoric but no data pertaining to my questions.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
    #14258607 - 04/08/11 01:40 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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the npr issue is a travesty. it frightens me to think that the tea party has that much influence.


  Fuck NPR.  There is zero reason for them to get taxpayer dollars at all.  Ever. If you want to support that charity go ahead.
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i don't know enough about the epa deal to comment, which is why i'm asking. i don't see how it has too much power now.




Once it declared CO2 emissions as a pollutant it essentially appropriated the power to regulate the entire economy.
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as for planned parenthood, i'm unclear as to who benefits from them getting their funding cut. lower income people definitely don't.




Another program that shouldn't be funded by the federal government.  If you want to support that charity go ahead.
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i don't see how any of this benefits anyone actually. they're shaving millimeters off of the budget with the amount they're cutting and i highly doubt it'll affect anyone's taxes. it just all seems like a big ploy for people to pander to their constituency and pass a bunch of bullshit.




Their is no reason for many of these programs to be a function of the federal government.  The Constitution is supposed to protect us from excess federal government intrusion.  If a state thinks they are good then they can do it themselves.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
    #14258618 - 04/08/11 01:42 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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millzy said:
i see rhetoric but no data pertaining to my questions.




Honestly, I am not quite currently in the state to argue but the big issue they had was with the Clean Air Act passed by Nixon I believe.

Frankly, both sides are showing some crazy behavior right now. You have the GOP doing what it is doing and the dems saying things like this...

Rep. Ed Markey, D-Mass., went the furthest, arguing that limiting the EPA would empower Al-Qaida by keeping the U.S. dependent on foreign oil.
“The Republicans have offered us a unilateral disarmament policy that Al-Qaida and other groups around the world will be able to exploit,”

I find it hard to believe terrorism has anything to do with the Clean Air Act.

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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14258623 - 04/08/11 01:43 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

none of this funding is unconstitutional. further, why "fuck npr"?


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: tohstygohsty] * 1
    #14258639 - 04/08/11 01:45 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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millzy said:
i see rhetoric but no data pertaining to my questions.




Honestly, I am not quite currently in the state to argue but the big issue they had was with the Clean Air Act passed by Nixon I believe.

Frankly, both sides are showing some crazy behavior right now. You have the GOP doing what it is doing and the dems saying things like this...

Rep. Ed Markey, D-Mass., went the furthest, arguing that limiting the EPA would empower Al-Qaida by keeping the U.S. dependent on foreign oil.
“The Republicans have offered us a unilateral disarmament policy that Al-Qaida and other groups around the world will be able to exploit,”

I find it hard to believe terrorism has anything to do with the Clean Air Act.




i don't trust either side really, but i absolutely detest the gop's social platform. i'm sorry but i don't want white, christian rural/suburban yokels dictating how everyone else should live their lives.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
    #14258662 - 04/08/11 01:49 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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i don't trust either side really, but i absolutely detest the gop's social platform. i'm sorry but i don't want white, christian rural/suburban yokels dictating how everyone else should live their lives.




And just like you, I don't want white, black, asian, or any government official running my life.

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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
    #14258674 - 04/08/11 01:52 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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none of this funding is unconstitutional. further, why "fuck npr"?



There is no reason whatsoever for the federal government to be funding any news organization ever.  Or any arts.  ANY.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
    #14258691 - 04/08/11 01:56 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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tohstygohsty said:


i don't trust either side really, but i absolutely detest the gop's social platform. i'm sorry but i don't want white, christian rural/suburban yokels dictating how everyone else should live their lives.




Maybe you would like to see the "yokels" stripped of the vote?  To be polite, you can kiss my butt, bigot.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14258696 - 04/08/11 01:57 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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none of this funding is unconstitutional. further, why "fuck npr"?



There is no reason whatsoever for the federal government to be funding any news organization ever.  Or any arts.  ANY.




The ONLY reason the NATIONAL government was set up was to PROTECT THE CITIZENS.

NOT to pay for news.
NOT to pay for healthcare.
NOT to pay for handouts.

Socialist programs DO NOT WORK and never will. They are unsustainable and take from those who actually produce to give to those who do not.

Ayn Rand once said that Communism is slavery by force. Socialism is slavery by vote.

Never thought Id have this rant in my condition..:grin:

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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14258705 - 04/08/11 01:58 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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tohstygohsty said:


i don't trust either side really, but i absolutely detest the gop's social platform. i'm sorry but i don't want white, christian rural/suburban yokels dictating how everyone else should live their lives.




Maybe you would like to see the "yokels" stripped of the vote?  To be polite, you can kiss my butt, bigot.




Whoa all I was getting at was I do not want people telling me what to do. And that first quote "i dont trust either side.." was not me.

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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: tohstygohsty] * 1
    #14258725 - 04/08/11 02:02 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i don't want to see anyone stripped of their right to vote. it isn't a race thing with me, i was equating white and christian to a set of values that i personally find antiquated and counter productive.

moreover, i disagree that the government shouldn't be involved in funding some programs that benefit the public. i'll leave npr out of this, but the private sector via insurance companies is bleeding us dry in regard to healthcare. i simply don't think that seeing a doctor or having prescriptions should be a luxury. i don't think that straight socialism is the answer any more than straight capitalism is.

as far as handouts go, the only ones i'm seeing are to big corporations from both sides of the aisle.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: tohstygohsty]
    #14258728 - 04/08/11 02:04 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I must apologize.  That was for millzy.  I fucked up with the quote thingy.  He can kiss my butt.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: tohstygohsty] * 1
    #14258739 - 04/08/11 02:06 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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The ONLY reason the NATIONAL government was set up was to PROTECT THE CITIZENS.

NOT to pay for news.
NOT to pay for healthcare.
NOT to pay for handouts.




I like you already!  Let the individual states decide if they want to pay for news, pay for healthcare, pay for handouts, pay for socialism... it shouldn't be done at the federal level.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14258745 - 04/08/11 02:07 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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I must apologize.  That was for millzy.  I fucked up with the quote thingy.  He can kiss my butt.




that's a really cool story.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
    #14258748 - 04/08/11 02:07 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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millzy said:
i don't want to see anyone stripped of their right to vote. it isn't a race thing with me, i was equating white and christian to a set of values that i personally find antiquated and counter productive.




But which have created the vast wealth that you are currently the beneficiary of.
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moreover, i disagree that the government shouldn't be involved in funding some programs that benefit the public. i'll leave npr out of this, but the private sector via insurance companies is bleeding us dry in regard to healthcare. i simply don't think that seeing a doctor or having prescriptions should be a luxury. i don't think that straight socialism is the answer any more than straight capitalism is.




Health insurance companies operate on about a 4% profit margin.  They aren't bleeding anybody dry.  The bleeding dry is from the ever increasing number of unproductive bums sucking at the public tit.
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as far as handouts go, the only ones i'm seeing are to big corporations from both sides of the aisle.



Then you are completely blind.  Did you know that not taking is different from giving?  It's true.


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Re: republican "riders" on the budget bill [Re: millzy]
    #14258758 - 04/08/11 02:10 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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zappaisgod said:
I must apologize.  That was for millzy.  I fucked up with the quote thingy.  He can kiss my butt.




Quit killing my buzz man..nah I'm messing around. its cool. There was tons of quoting going on. :cool:

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millzy said:
i don't want to see anyone stripped of their right to vote. it isn't a race thing with me, i was equating white and christian to a set of values that i personally find antiquated and counter productive.

moreover, i disagree that the government shouldn't be involved in funding some programs that benefit the public. i'll leave npr out of this, but the private sector via insurance companies is bleeding us dry in regard to healthcare. i simply don't think that seeing a doctor or having prescriptions should be a luxury. i don't think that straight socialism is the answer any more than straight capitalism is.

as far as handouts go, the only ones i'm seeing are to big corporations from both sides of the aisle.




Yeah like this:

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/wash-post-cbs-nbc-should-disclose-receipt-of-obamacare-subsidies/

"So the Washington Post Co. couldn’t help but be pleased when it received a $570,000 bailout from ObamaCare‘s Early Retiree Reinsurance Program.  That program allows the Obama administration to run up the national debt another $5 billion by doling out cash to corporations that provide retiree health benefits.  The CBS Corporation received more than $720,000.  General Electric, a part owner of NBC Universal, Inc., cleared nearly $37 million."

You mean very liberal leading news corps having been getting money from Obama? Who would have thought...theres a reasons they never even spoke bad about Obamacare.

Oh and theres that who appointment from GE that Obama did...

Edited by tohstygohsty (04/08/11 02:10 PM)

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