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    #14258160 - 04/08/11 11:47 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Here is a GREAT method to pasteurize hardwood fuel pellets for sawdust
bags. I was taught the method by a friend on the boards and
was told that it was "Lipa's Pasteurization Tek". For the records
I did not create this method, but upon searching the forums for a
tek or post to share the information I could not find anything.

I figured that I would create a pictorial guide for this method to
spread the information around to the community and share an easy
and effective way to prepare fuel pellets substrates.

Materials Needed:



Colonized Grain Spawn
Hardwood Fuel Pellets
Filter Patch Bags
String
scissors
Metal Pot
Measuring Cups
Oven Mitts
Zip Ties


NOTE: The density and "grade" of sawdust can be very different
between brands of fuel pellets, and even between bags of the same
brand. Before using this method I would suggest sacrificing 6 cups
of fuel pellets to do a test run to make sure your fuel pellets will
reach just under field capacity. Some brands require more water then others.
That being said the ratio that works for me is 6 cups of fuel pellets
to 7 cups of water. If you can squeeze your mixture and any water comes
out it is likely to wet



Procedure

1. Measure out 6 cups of fuel pellets and then place them into your
filter patch bag.



2. Measure out 7 cups of water and place in your metal pot. Bring to
a boil.



3. Once boiling remove from heat, turn your stove top off and bring
the water to your work area. You should place a towel down to protect
your work surface from the pot. Don your oven mitts and open the
top of your filter patch bag as wide as possible. CAREFULLY pour
the boiling water into the bag, go slow as the bag has a tendency
to close up so you may have to place the pot down, readjust the bag
and pour the remaining water in. Use common sense, work sober and
be careful.



4. Twist the top of the bag closed with one hand (Wearing mitts) and
with the other kneed and mix the fuel pellets to spread the moisture
around. Keep doing this until you can see no visible hunks of fuel
pellets. Be careful contents of bags are very hot, and steam escaping
from the mouth of the bag can burn you.



5. Using your string tie the top of the bag off tightly.



6. Place bag/bags wrapped in a towel and leave overnight to cool
down.

7. Repeat for the amount of bags you need



This method gives me 5-5 1/2 lbs of sawdust substrate per bag




Inoculation


1. Prepare your work area and materials



2. Untie your bag and inoculate with 1/2 a L (Qt.) of grain spawn



3. Twist the top portion of your bag and then apply your zip tie
nice and tight to seal the bag.

4. Kneed/shake/roll your substrate bag to distribute the grain spawn
evenly throughout your sawdust substrate.

5. Finally label your bags, place in your colonization area and repeat
as many times as needed.



This method works for several different types of edible and medicinal
mushrooms(Of the wood loving variety) and is a very quick and easy way
to prepare substrate.

I have now used this method for Shiitake, and Reishi and below are
the corresponding grow logs:

Reishi on Pasteurized Fuel Pellets

Shiitake on Pasteurized Fuel Pellets

Shiitake on Pasteurized Fuel Pellets 2

Blue Oysters on Pasteurized Fuel Pellets

Shiitake 75 on Pasteurized Fuel Pellets


Edited by EvilMushroom666 (12/12/11 05:47 PM)

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #14258308 - 04/08/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Great summary.

What filter bags do you use?
I've noticed that RR recomends a certain type of filter for more sensitive species, Shiitake, e.g.
Since I don´t have a flowhood and my "glovebox" is too tiny to handle bags, I'll give this a try.

Much thanks for this.
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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #14258317 - 04/08/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

This is awesome Tek bro! I´ll try it next time, seems very easy.
But I can´t understand why some sterilize substrates? what are the advantages of sterilization?

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: FernandoCastro] * 1
    #14258330 - 04/08/11 12:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I have both .2 micron and .5 micron bags and I have played around with
both.

So far I have fruited 3 blocks of shiitake, 2- .5 micron and 1- .2
micron.

I know RR says the .5 micron can lead to premature pinning in shiitake,
but so far I have gotten away with it. All my supplemented bags are
made using .2 micron, and pasteurized bags using .5 micron.

Toni: You sterilize your substrate when you add any supplements.

When you add different brans or flours to your substrate it requires
sterilization or else it will contaminate.

I have 11 supplemented bags of shiitaking colonizing as we speak, and
while it requires a lot more work on my part, RR has said it will
provide a bigger yield.

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #14258408 - 04/08/11 12:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: FernandoCastro]
    #14258770 - 04/08/11 02:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for posting EM, very informative! I have available some large hardwood sawdust pellets that are used instead of logs for burning, having seen your success I might give this a go. :thumbup:


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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: solarity] * 1
    #14259075 - 04/08/11 03:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Great write up EM!!!

I have used the same method several times. Some comments I'd like to add (if you don't mind):
you'll want to find your ratio of pellets:water before getting started. When I did this I found my ratio to be 5 Cups pellets, 4 Cups water to get perfect moisture content. This is very different to your 6:7 so it can vary between batches of pellets. An insulated cooler works great for storing the bags and an electric tea kettle brings water to a boil very quickly. Also, I found that adding the water at 185F brings the core temp to 160F, but again your mileage may vary between batches of pellets. Once you figure out these numbers it's a great way to prepare a lot of bulk sawdust :thumbup:

Here are some links to grows I did using this method:
Lion's Mane
Reishi

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: fungus_tao]
    #14259407 - 04/08/11 04:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for the addition information tao, every little bit helps.

I also :pm:ed Lipa and asked if he had any input to add, and I will
update when he sends me a message back.

This method is indeed a great way to prepare a bulk of sawdust substrate
fairly quickly.

P.S LOVE the reishi grow log, I can never get enough reishi pictures!

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #14259551 - 04/08/11 04:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Nice job write evil, :highfive:

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #14260100 - 04/08/11 06:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Would anybody mind posting a link to some bags of fuel pellets or their manufacturers??  I haven't seen anything like this in Australia and i wonder if we have something similar with a different name.  But essentially are they saw dust that was compressed and made into pellets??


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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #14260181 - 04/08/11 06:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Turns out we do have them here, but they're not wide spread.  I'm researching retailers and costs as we speak.

Do you ever add bark or other larger substrates to add a bit of variation?


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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: NSF]
    #14266092 - 04/10/11 09:17 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I personally do not at this point(Simply because I do not have access
to any at this moment).

I gather that it would not hurt and would only help.

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #14312435 - 04/18/11 02:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

why not include bran in this?

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: lepstadder]
    #14312485 - 04/18/11 02:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Because if you added bran you would have to sterilize your substrate.

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: EvilMushroom666] * 1
    #14312689 - 04/18/11 03:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You can use gypsum. Don't make the mistake of trying to disolve it first. Took me a couple of attempts to learn that gypsum just sinks like a rock. I was using very fine stuff too. I read somewhere that it will disolve in hot water. So, I thought if it did I could evenly coat the sawdust. Not the case. Just add the gypsum to the bags on top of the pellets, then add water, seal, and massage the bags.


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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: fungus_tao]
    #14312856 - 04/18/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

simple tek of greatness EM/LIPA,thanks for passing that on, never tried using pellets yet, dirt simple, love it. cheers. I was under hte impressoion i has to steralise sawdust!

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Because if you added bran you would have to sterilize your substrate.




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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: FractalXplora]
    #14348132 - 04/25/11 09:18 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Just added a link to an outdoor blue oyster block that started pinning
last week. It was made using Lipa's method.

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    #14406478 - 05/05/11 05:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:bump:

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #14406491 - 05/05/11 05:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

yea! :rockon:

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #14406513 - 05/05/11 05:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Someone was asking about pasteurizing fuel pellets in another thread so
I figured it was time for a bump ;-)

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #14406610 - 05/05/11 06:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I use food pellets, Some thing though, just food grade. :thumbup:

Little more pricey, but not by too much. That way I can say "food grade" based substrate to the local co-ops :smile:

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    #14406613 - 05/05/11 06:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I advocate the bumping of good threads, its something we don't do enough around here......

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    #14406672 - 05/05/11 06:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Good show EM!

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: Maharishi_2_U]
    #14415865 - 05/07/11 03:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

hey, thats the same brand of pellets I have!
Got that at canadian tire eh?
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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: Versicolor]
    #14461799 - 05/16/11 12:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:bump:

Added a current grow log, Shiitake 75 using this method of fuel pellet
prep.

Side note:

I recently had a few bags of shiitake end up being to wet, which caused
pre mature pinning. As stated in the original post make sure to run
a few tests to see what your ratio of fuel pellets to water works out
to. The 6:7 ratio was needed for my first bag of pellets, but upon
opening my second and third bags I found that to be very different. Due to variance
between bags of fuel pellets MAKE SURE to run tests to find the perfect
moisture content for that bag, before making up a big batch.

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #14544750 - 06/01/11 08:03 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

This is a great thread!!! Thanks for all the info EVIL. :cool: Are the pellets your using mixed hardwoods? Is it better to have mixed woods or just one kind of wood, do you know?  I will be trying this very soon, i will let you know how it goes.  I wish i had a culture of reishi... Ill have to get one of those soon.

ProffessorP, what do you mean by food-pellets? Can you explain or even give the brand names?


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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: Aleon]
    #14544923 - 06/01/11 09:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The pellets I say are "Hardwood Fuel Pellets", does not indicate if it
is a mix of hardwoods or one type.

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #14545895 - 06/01/11 02:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Great thanks alot, im going to grab a bag tomorrow and get this rolling.  I ordered reishi spawn today, and i already have shiitake.  Im going to try this method with those two species first. Has anyone tried lions main with this method?  After i try out those 2, ill give LM a try, i have some left over spawn from inoculating logs/stumps.

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: Aleon]
    #14546294 - 06/01/11 03:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Lion's mane grows fine on fuel pellets.  I don't do them using this method but it shouldn't really matter.

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    #14546556 - 06/01/11 04:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks monkeyK, Yeah sterilized pellets would definitely grow LM. Im interested in trying it using Lipas Tek, should be interesting.  Im excited to get experimenting with this low tech and NRG efficient method.


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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: Aleon]
    #14547346 - 06/01/11 06:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

you simply pour the boiling water, without controlling the temp? so easy?

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    #14548027 - 06/01/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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you simply pour the boiling water, without controlling the temp? so easy?




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    #14549377 - 06/02/11 04:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I add the water at 185F. The core temp will drop to 160F almost immediately as the pellets expand with water.


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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: fungus_tao]
    #14559919 - 06/04/11 12:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

First experiment(26/5/2011):

Tried to follow +/- EM's sawdust/H2O ratios, disregarding that I was using coarse wood and cardboard sawdust not fuel pellets.

Procedure:

  • 2 species: H. ulmarius and P. ostreatus
  • 2 blocks (1 of each species): wood sawdust
  • 2 blocks (1 of each species): wood sawdust+cardboard sawdust
  • Spawn ratio: 1:10


Results:

  • 3 of 4 blocks have excess water (should I drain it?)
  • 1 block (P. ostreatus) was trich contaminated and discarded.
  • The mix blocks (2 left pics) are preforming better than the wood sawdust






Second experiment(4/6/2011):

After re-reading the tek and comments, tried to get this right, so:

  • Following Pitchercrab's advice, measured and adding little by little  cold H2O and squeezing it until finding the right field capacity (20cl H2O to 1l wood/cardboard sawdust).
  • Added boiling water.
  • Sealed the bags, shake.
  • Put them on a tub, covered with a bath towel and kept in the sun for insulation.
  • Made some with plain cardboard sawdust this time for P. djamor, ostreatus and citrino.




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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: FernandoCastro]
    #14564019 - 06/05/11 10:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for adding your research to the thread brother!

As you found out what works for one with the ratio's of water/sawdust
do not always work for all. Im in the habit of running a test for every
new bag of fuel pellets I open, JUST to make sure my mix will not be to
wet or to dry due to manufacturing processes, chip size ect.

Glad some of your experiments worked out for you, cannot wait to see
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    #16479125 - 07/04/12 07:29 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Anything is possible, but id have a hard time believing that it would be commercially viable/reliable in this economy anyway. With that said; dont get to excited, but ive done up to %3 bran, with a high spawn rate of aggressive oyster spawn.  Colonization time was decreased and yeild was increased.  I only made 2 bags like this so i wouldn't give my results any weight.  Just throwing this out there; try it and find out for yourself what works; it truly is the only way to know

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: Aleon]
    #16479641 - 07/04/12 10:03 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I've had decent results with lion's mane using this method.
I use about 5% liquid coffee to the hot water, and I use the water when it reaches 185F.
The fuel pellet bags are then sealed in front of flow hood, and have a  shelf life of a couple weeks.


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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: fungus_tao]
    #16519662 - 07/12/12 12:24 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

This Tek is pretty great. Still experimenting with coffee, bran, and other additives.


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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: Jiminy]
    #16520721 - 07/12/12 03:26 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Those supplements will necessitate full, proper pasteurization.

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: Javadog]
    #17053808 - 10/18/12 10:32 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

This is a good thread!! I will try it this weekend with Shiitake grain spawn.

The question I have about it is more like an idea: has anyone tried this tek THEN added properly sterilized supplement to the mix? I'm talking about bran versus extra grain spawn.

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: DRCola]
    #17054401 - 10/18/12 12:23 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I have only added supplements before pasteurizing or sterilizing my substrates.

I bet that what you suggest ought to work, though all actions (especially mixing)
will need to take place in front of a flow hood.

Sterilized supplements are a strong contam potential.

I am thinking that this will open avenues from contams, but it might work.

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: Javadog]
    #17054759 - 10/18/12 01:11 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I'm thinking along the same thought process as you JD.

Best off not adding supplements post sterilization as it opens up an unwanted/unneeded vector. It is possible if done carefully but not really worth the risk of losing things IMO.

In the end it would be a lot easier just to add them to your substrate prior to sterilizing.

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #19132384 - 11/13/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Dayum!  After reading and trying a bunch of other teks I was shocked to find this one.  So easy!  Thank you!!!


Also, they have 40 lbs bags of pellets @ home depot for I think $4.75 or something like that.

The bag says "hardwood" with a picture of pine trees.  wtf?

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: SdudEval]
    #19132573 - 11/13/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You mentioned how to tell when it is too wet but how do you know if it's too dry?

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: SdudEval]
    #19132698 - 11/13/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Will it colonize on pine dust/shavings?


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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: gravy1985] * 1
    #19578716 - 02/17/14 08:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Depends on if you pre sterilize or pasteurize the chicken compost first. Supplements require sterilization.

This method works because the pellets are pre-pasteurized during the process of making them. If you want to use straw use straw pellets. Otherwise just put your straw in a pot of 140 F water for 30-45 min.

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: gravy1985]
    #19585405 - 02/18/14 02:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think this method would be more what you are looking for:

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    #19585459 - 02/18/14 02:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Will it colonize on pine dust/shavings?




I'm curious which species do well on these pine pellets as well I've read about the cooking and compressing taking out the resins that prevent the mycelium to grow  it I haven't found much on actually experience with it

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: Javadog]
    #19903784 - 04/26/14 04:16 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

You're specific about inoculating with grain spawn, but couldn't BRF cakes work just as well?

Birth them then break them up then add to the sawdust. Makes sense to me, so just wondering why you specifically wrote 'grain spawn' in the tek and not just 'spawn'.

I have these 90% colonized oyster jars growing on BRF, and would like to try this tek.

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: mezzy jeb]
    #19903901 - 04/26/14 04:50 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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You're specific about inoculating with grain spawn, but couldn't BRF cakes work just as well?

Birth them then break them up then add to the sawdust. Makes sense to me, so just wondering why you specifically wrote 'grain spawn' in the tek and not just 'spawn'.

I have these 90% colonized oyster jars growing on BRF, and would like to try this tek.





You can use the cakes. Most growers just use grain spawn and it is the norm so they say that. You'll probably notice too that it colonizes faster as well with your cakes because there will be more inoculation points in the bag due to it being granule-like and small unless you just use chunks of it.

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: lipa] * 1
    #20420495 - 08/14/14 11:46 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

So, to clarify, it's absolutely okay to sterilize fuel pellets after hydration, yes? This thread doesn't exactly imply that it is unnecessary, but I wanted to be sure that PC sterilization is not necessarily a no-no for the substrate in question.

I don't do fuel pellets over a coarser substrate, but this actually sounds very economical, and I like it.

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: fungus_tao]
    #22425251 - 10/23/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I've had decent results with lion's mane using this method.
I use about 5% liquid coffee to the hot water, and I use the water when it reaches 185F.
The fuel pellet bags are then sealed in front of flow hood, and have a  shelf life of a couple weeks.




Has anyone else tried adding coffee solution to the water used for pasteurization? Does it improve yield for lion's mane? Or other species?


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    #23079141 - 04/03/16 01:16 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

It's inevitably going to get stuff on it while shaking the bag, and that's fine.


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    #23180901 - 05/02/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

it's an interesting thread. Thanks!

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    #23180904 - 05/02/16 04:35 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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    #23180913 - 05/02/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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    #23180917 - 05/02/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #23305384 - 06/03/16 10:41 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

It appears it's okay to add spawn to theses bags in open air. Correct? I presume hardwood pellets are pretty contam resistant, like coir. Yes?


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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #23305522 - 06/03/16 11:35 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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It appears it's okay to add spawn to theses bags in open air. Correct? I presume hardwood pellets are pretty contam resistant, like coir. Yes?



Yeah, it works fine for me. I Actually get more contams when I try to do it in my SAB. My SAB isn't big enough which makes it a pain and ends up not being 'still air' at all.


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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: Stupendous-Yappi]
    #23306104 - 06/04/16 06:33 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Yes it's ok, only real chance is a wood loving contam, such as another fungus or wood loving bacteria.
I've had wood loving trich in the past on brown card, so it can contaminate.


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    #23307509 - 06/04/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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It appears it's okay to add spawn to theses bags in open air. Correct? I presume hardwood pellets are pretty contam resistant, like coir. Yes?




Spawn heavily, otherwise the contaminates will win. Yeasts and green molds are the most common, though I have had lipstick mold and a cobweb once or twice.

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: moonlightmushrooms]
    #23307674 - 06/04/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

With elm oysters (Hypsizygus ulmarius), what is considered heavy spawning? What spawn:sub ratio?


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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #23308069 - 06/04/16 06:46 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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With elm oysters (Hypsizygus ulmarius), what is considered heavy spawning? What spawn:sub ratio?




I've been doing 1 qt to 6 cups pellets with good success.

Since this thread is active again- I recently got an impulse sealer and wheat bran so I am ready to start supplementing- do I need to adjust the water content at all from this tek when supplementing? Obviously since I will be sterilizing the pasteurization is not necessary but I'd still start off 6 cups pellets to 7 cups water, and add 15% bran- just wondering what kind of water content that would need.

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It appears it's okay to add spawn to theses bags in open air. Correct? I presume hardwood pellets are pretty contam resistant, like coir. Yes?




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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: TravelAgency]
    #23308089 - 06/04/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

:thumbup:

Just based on my experience with cubensis, just about any time you add supplements, it requires some moisture adjustment, depending on how much and what you add. Whenever I start doing something different. I just do a mack run to check.

I've never used bran, but i imagine it absorbs water pretty well. Don't quote me though.


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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #23308113 - 06/04/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah I'm sure I'll have to add water but there's nothing worse than seeing a line of water appear at the bottom that never gets colonized :mad2:

Glad to see you over here sir- if nothing else edibles are exciting just for how damn many diverse species there are. It's a blast and I'm now constantly on the lookout for wild ones to take cultures of - plus being able to send live cultures through the mail to other members beats the snot out of spite prints- I feel like I'm sending my babies out into the world, and can be proud of them when they are able to feed someone a thousand miles away.

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    #23308235 - 06/04/16 07:40 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #23309589 - 06/05/16 07:05 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

When I do this method, I prefer to do one spawn bag (3 dry quarts of wheat) to 6 bags of pellets. Though I have done as many as 10.

Travel agency, yea,you'll have to add more water. I'd try a just over a cup, if you're adding 15% bran.
You're going to need to sterilize the bags with the supplement and add spawn in front of a hood.
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    #23309633 - 06/05/16 07:26 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah this tek has been fantastic and you can bang out a ton of bags quickly. But it seems most big producers supplement and I have the means to do it now (got an impulse sealer and my buddy has a flowhood I can use til I get mine built). I'll be running so side by side to compare.

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    #23309650 - 06/05/16 07:34 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Hem man. Good to see you too.
Sorry I haven't gotten those bags out yet. Been retarded busy. I'm out of town for a week, so when I return I'll jump in that.
Do you have a big sterilizer?  If not, I would just do this method. If you want to go bigger, pastuerize straw.


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    #23309740 - 06/05/16 08:07 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

AA921 - I can fit 4 bags per cycle.


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    #23511762 - 08/05/16 05:59 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Ive been adding a handfull of chicken pellets to the mix, having good results with kings

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    #23568391 - 08/23/16 08:13 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I raise thee thread in the name of knowledge lol

So what is everyone's take, are .5 filter bags 100% necessary? What type of contam rate increase and colonization time increase will I see with .2 filter bags
Also what are the really necessary inoculation environment conditions?

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    #23578963 - 08/26/16 08:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I raise thee thread in the name of knowledge lol

So what is everyone's take, are .5 filter bags 100% necessary? What type of contam rate increase and colonization time increase will I see with .2 filter bags
Also what are the really necessary inoculation environment conditions?

Big thanks to any help!



Hey tgw, I use the .2 micron bags.  They work like a charm.  I believe RR suggested them on an old thread and his advice is pretty well respected on the boards.  Also, the .5 are a bigger hole than .2 so I don't think you'll see evap and contam increase that way...as fast as the mycelium runs those things shouldn't be an issue anyway unless maybe if you're growing shiitake which take some time...so far I'm only acquainted with oysters so don't want to talk out the side of my face.

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    #23579402 - 08/26/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hey cable guy, lions main usually is a slow colonizer . Probably not well suited to this tek. Maybe you have a fast one? I think standard is bags supplemented and sterilized. All the advice I've seen is do not get water directly on fruits just maintain cool and humid.


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    #23580221 - 08/26/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Didn't say it would not work. If you read his grow small bag 4 cups pellets 1 pound spawn no supplements. Other bag was larger. Still It took 14 days to colonize.
Read thread  :contam on bulk sawdust lions mane.

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    #24157302 - 03/12/17 08:58 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Can't wait to try with my king oysters!!!

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #24253873 - 04/18/17 09:01 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

So If you add wheat bran do you have to sterilize it correct? Just the hardwood pellets and no other additives correct evil?

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    #24254083 - 04/18/17 10:24 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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    #24254384 - 04/18/17 12:41 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks knomadic!!

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    #24636572 - 09/16/17 10:04 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: TheBlackCat] * 1
    #24849308 - 12/16/17 06:43 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Bump

I'm new to Lisa's tek here but I have done a similar lower tek procedure and thought I would share. My procedure was built off of an "8 minute spawn" tek that uses ziplock bags instead of filter patch bags. Basically place all of your dry ingredients into each ziplock, then add water and zip closed w most of the air removed (leaving some air still inside the bag). After the pellets are fully hydrated and turned to dust float these bags on top of rapidly boiling water for the desired time (I adjust up to 10 minutes because I'm not using H2O2). Turn the burner off and inoculate in a SAB once cooled. Apairently the ziplock bag is thin enough to allow enough GE without a filter patch. I wipe my bags down w alcohol just before inoculation.

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: Mike O Voidenski]
    #24851441 - 12/17/17 10:28 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Huh, that's an interesting approach.

How full do you fill each bag?

Also, are you using supplemented or plain sawdust?

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: adadada]
    #24854164 - 12/18/17 04:41 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

If you use a bit of alfalfa pellets it will boost up your BE.

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #25087041 - 03/24/18 11:44 AM (6 years, 6 days ago)

could i just use a few buckets to pastuerize?

i want to mix up spawn and fuel pellets and fruit from bottles so i don't need spawn bags

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: thelanzii]
    #25087253 - 03/24/18 01:52 PM (6 years, 6 days ago)

Yup

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: Bry Bry]
    #25087291 - 03/24/18 02:10 PM (6 years, 6 days ago)

you think i could get away with doubling the recipe for usage in a bucket?

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: Nos-hroom]
    #25087296 - 03/24/18 02:13 PM (6 years, 6 days ago)

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So, to clarify, it's absolutely okay to sterilize fuel pellets after hydration, yes? This thread doesn't exactly imply that it is unnecessary, but I wanted to be sure that PC sterilization is not necessarily a no-no for the substrate in question.

I don't do fuel pellets over a coarser substrate, but this actually sounds very economical, and I like it.





:whathesaid: ?  I mean I dont sterilize coir. Is pasturization effective enough on wood pellets for sterilization to not be worth the time?

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you think i could get away with doubling the recipe for usage in a bucket?




Thats what I was gonna do :shrug: I imagine it should be fine


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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: bio_alchemist] * 1
    #25090464 - 03/25/18 08:13 PM (6 years, 4 days ago)

The process of making the wood pellets basically sterilizes them that's why this Tek works with a simple pasteurization.


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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #25785839 - 02/02/19 10:18 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Commenting to remember TEK.

Also, where is the best place to get the filter patch bags?


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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: firsttimetryer]
    #25899769 - 03/27/19 09:51 AM (5 years, 3 days ago)

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Commenting to remember TEK.

Also, where is the best place to get the filter patch bags?




all of  :whathesaid:


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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: Camera93]
    #25899836 - 03/27/19 10:22 AM (5 years, 3 days ago)

I recently bought 100 off of ebay for around $30 and free shipping. That is the best price I have found yet. If you search 'mushroom grow bag' it should be one of the first results, plus ebay has been throwing coupons at me lately so you may be able to get a couple bucks off.

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: iwh678]
    #25899897 - 03/27/19 10:57 AM (5 years, 3 days ago)

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I recently bought 100 off of ebay for around $30 and free shipping. That is the best price I have found yet. If you search 'mushroom grow bag' it should be one of the first results, plus ebay has been throwing coupons at me lately so you may be able to get a couple bucks off.




how do these look?


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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: Camera93]
    #25900007 - 03/27/19 12:10 PM (5 years, 3 days ago)

Those actually look better than what I got. Unicorn bags are well known and respected. Mine ended up being Chinese.

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: iwh678]
    #25900042 - 03/27/19 12:24 PM (5 years, 3 days ago)

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Those actually look better than what I got. Unicorn bags are well known and respected. Mine ended up being Chinese.




awesome!! I just pulled the trigger on the pack of 100 for $35 and free shipping


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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: Camera93]
    #25906144 - 03/30/19 03:06 PM (5 years, 2 hours ago)

Great thread. In lieu of running some experiments myself, I wanted to know roughly what kind of % yield increase is had using the 'standard' method of growing on steralized supplemented blocks over this method? - guestimations welcome.

I ask because it seems like a hell of a lot easier and more energy efficient to do this over steralisation of blocks, but if you're only getting 40% yield compared to supplemented blocks, it might not be worth it for me.

secondly, I was thinking about doing this with lime water over hot boiling water. Any reasons why that wouldn't work?

Lastly, I also have pellatized chicken manure. Am I right in thinking I can chuck in wood pellets, 5% chicken manure, 5% gypsum, a measured quant of lime and water mix, let sit and spawn in open air? A sort of semi-supplemented way of growing woodlovers without steralization?

If the above is the case, sounds ideal for my situation.

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #26487017 - 02/15/20 12:25 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Awesome, thank you

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: stagger]
    #26636541 - 04/29/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Bumping so I have in my thread page. Thanks for the info :thumbup:

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    #26636761 - 04/29/20 12:28 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Interested! Bump

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #26640210 - 05/01/20 12:23 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

:grin:

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    #26666474 - 05/12/20 12:42 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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    #27607413 - 01/04/22 10:52 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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    #27691385 - 03/11/22 04:30 PM (2 years, 18 days ago)

Bump

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    #27753490 - 04/27/22 02:51 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

:popcorn::bump2:

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: Camera93] * 2
    #28123217 - 01/03/23 07:10 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

For those interested, Renegade Mushrooms on YouTube has experimented fairly successfully adding 5-7% bran using this method. Seems like you can try experimenting pushing the envelope a little bit if you are interested but for the most part pushing supplementation too far will require sterilization.

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #28139593 - 01/14/23 02:23 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Excellent Tek!


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    #28151191 - 01/21/23 09:29 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: EvilMushroom666] * 1
    #28330566 - 05/22/23 10:28 PM (10 months, 19 hours ago)

I've used this Tek for every grow I have ever done. It's a great beginner tek and it got me into mycology












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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: UCMan]
    #28330611 - 05/22/23 11:35 PM (10 months, 18 hours ago)

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I've used this Tek for every grow I have ever done. It's a great beginner tek and it got me into mycology





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Re: Lipa's Pasteurized Fuel Pellet Tek [Re: JayGee007]
    #28332720 - 05/24/23 02:29 PM (9 months, 30 days ago)

Thanks! I've recommended this Tek to everyone who has asked me haha.


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