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 How would you of ousted Saddam? 
#1425801 - 04/03/03 10:19 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just about everyone of us, with the exception of a few pro-saddam supporters, can agree that saddam has to go. How would you have expelled saddam short of going to war? I hear a lot of opponents but few suggestions on HOW we could possibly kick Saddam out of power.
What would you have suggested?
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: Innvertigo]
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The point is that it's not up to the U.S. to decide who leads their own sovereign nation...if the people of Iraq want change they will bring it themselves. That's why they are putting up such a fight in Iraq in my opinion..not because they love Saddam, but because they like the thought of the U.S. / U.K. coming in to "liberate" them even less.
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: Innvertigo]
#1425868 - 04/03/03 10:47 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think in the 80's I would not have given him crucial intelligence that kept him from losing the Iran-Iraq war. I would not have allowed US corporations to sell him botulism and anthrax. I would not have supported him after he gassed Kurds and Iranians. In 1991 I would have helped the majority that rose up to take his ass out instead of letting them be brutally crushed.
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: Innvertigo]
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at the end of the gulf war.
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: Innvertigo]
#1425945 - 04/03/03 11:17 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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The United States plan on occupying Iraq after the war ... and plan to install US businesses to build it back up. They plan on instilling a democratic government into Iraq to liberate it's people.
First, the majority of Iraq is Muslim. A democratic government, by the people for the people, is antithesis to Islam as individuals are under the direct mandate of God, and therefore democracy is heretical.
So, I say no occupation of Iraq. Let the people do it themselves, and if it is Islamic law that they want let them have it. Who are we to decide that we will use Iraq as an "experiment" ... Who are we to decide that we will instill a democratic government in Iraq?
Here one may say that Islamic governments are corrupt, brutal, and oppressive. While this may true, it is not necesarily the ideal. Muslims around the world are greatly lost as much of their homelands are lead by these corrupt states who chose bits and pieces of the Quran to justify their actions. This is exemplified by Saddam Hussein in his recent call for jihad against the US and it's allies. This is laughable. Saddam is an extreme secularist that has murdered countless Islamists in Iraq.
So, I think the US decision to put a democratic government is arrogant and it is another attempt to homogenize the world into a global market.
I believe that representative government is possible in the Middle East, but it will be a virtually impossible process that should be free from external influence .... ESPECIALLY the US.
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: Innvertigo]
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Sadam is not my leader. I would do nothing to remove him from power. Either the people who are oppressed will rise up (as it has always been) or when he invades or attacks someone else, another country will take him out for thier own defense.
But not giving him the means to conquer, and helping the rebellion which already occured would be good ways also.
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: Rono]
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The point is that it's not up to the U.S. to decide who leads their own sovereign nation
if the UN is unwilling then i disagree, someone has to do it.
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if the people of Iraq want change they will bring it themselves.
Tell that to the Shite's and the Kurds. with that logic i can say why don't the people of Korea kick the dictator out, it's really none of OUR business? (devils advocate)
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That's why they are putting up such a fight in Iraq in my opinion
they aren't putting up much of a fight if ya ask me. In two weeks we control a HUGE portion of that country with only 30 american's killed during battle.
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not because they love Saddam, but because they like the thought of the U.S. / U.K. coming in to "liberate" them even less.
really? So they're not forcing people to fight? or threatening civilians who want to leave? That's news.....maybe from Al-Jazeer 
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: Innvertigo]
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someone has to do it
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Tell that to the Shite's and the Kurds. with that logic i can say why don't the people of Korea kick the dictator out, it's really none of OUR business? (devils advocate)
It isn't any of our business to dicate how a country runs itself...if the vast majority of people in a country want change they can bring it.
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they aren't putting up much of a fight if ya ask me. In two weeks we control a HUGE portion of that country with only 30 american's killed during battle.
Then why is the war going to take longer than expected?...where are the legions of troops that were expected to surrender at the site of coalition troops?
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really? So they're not forcing people to fight? or threatening civilians who want to leave? That's news.....maybe from Al-Jazeer
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 Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: Innvertigo]
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The point is that it's not up to the U.S. to decide who leads their own sovereign nation
if the UN is unwilling then i disagree, someone has to do it.
Very well. You're entitled to your opinion, and I respectfully disagree with it.
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if the people of Iraq want change they will bring it themselves.
Tell that to the Shite's and the Kurds. with that logic i can say why don't the people of Korea kick the dictator out, it's really none of OUR business? (devils advocate)
So you do think that it's our business to kick out North Korea's leader? I don't.
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That's why they are putting up such a fight in Iraq in my opinion
they aren't putting up much of a fight if ya ask me. In two weeks we control a HUGE portion of that country with only 30 american's killed during battle.
They've certainly put up more of a fight than we expected. And you've got to remember that they don't have anywhere close to the military power that we have.
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not because they love Saddam, but because they like the thought of the U.S. / U.K. coming in to "liberate" them even less.
really? So they're not forcing people to fight? or threatening civilians who want to leave? That's news.....maybe from Al-Jazeer
Oh, come on! You really think they'd fight back cuz they're forced to when it would be easier just to surrender to us?
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: Buddha5254]
#1426023 - 04/03/03 11:41 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would not have supported him after he gassed Kurds and Iranians.
we weren't "Supporting" Saddam, and we didn't support his action on the Kurds. I will admit we should of done something earlier.
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In 1991 I would have helped the majority that rose up to take his ass out instead of letting them be brutally crushed.
I think it was discusting what the United States did to the Shites and Kurds in 1991.
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what would you do to oust Saddam Hussain short of going to war? That was the main point of this thread. I know many here like to complain but offer no solutions. What is your solution?
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: Innvertigo]
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they aren't putting up much of a fight if ya ask me. In two weeks we control a HUGE portion of that country with only 30 american's killed during battle.
I think they are putting up a fairly good fight, especially for what they have. The U.S. military is much stronger than that of the Iraqi's. We have far better equipment, vehicles, better trained soldier, and far greater technology. These things, combined with the training that our soldiers receive, equate to a force to be reconed with. The Iraqi army is pretty rag-tag, fighting with not much equipment, a lot less than they were a decade ago. They may not have the capability to defend their country against an overwhelmingly strong force, but that isn't to say that their heart ain't in it.
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: Innvertigo]
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Why does he need to be ousted again?...
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#1426034 - 04/03/03 11:43 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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at the end of the gulf war.
That wasn't the objective of the Gulf War.
Maybe i'm not making myself clear. What would you do TODAY, short or war to oust saddam?
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: Innvertigo]
#1426044 - 04/03/03 11:46 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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The answer is that there is nothing that can be done short of war to remove Saddam.
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: z@z.com]
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And the question is what right do we have to dictate how a country runs itself?
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: Rono]
#1426055 - 04/03/03 11:51 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Actually this was the question:
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How would you have expelled saddam short of going to war? I hear a lot of opponents but few suggestions on HOW we could possibly kick Saddam out of power.
What would you have suggested?
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: Innvertigo]
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I'd go oust bush in that case and prevent US foregin policy from creating future wars. Mind your own country, and stop fucking things around. I mean you still have the war on drugs, which is a civil war.
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: Rono]
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It isn't any of our business to dicate how a country runs itself...
GOD DAMN. This type of ignorance is what is wrong with the whole antiwar movement. True, it isn't any of our business how a country runs itself, but the people of iraq aren't governing themselves. Don't you see that? The country is run by a very small group of extremists who took control by force and maintain it by fear and force.
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if the vast majority of people in a country want change they can bring it.
no, they can't in iraq. if the vast majority of the people in iraq rose up, what woud they fight with? Saddam would still have enough loyalists in the military to put up any uprising that would come along. Are you really ignorant enough to believe that the iraqi people could take out saddam alone?? THINK. PLEASE. is a person with an ak47 ever going to lose in a fight to a person with a rock or a stick? no, how are unarmed people going to fight tanks? How are unarmed people going to fight missles? or chem and bio weapons, or planes?
So, was it wrong for the French to help the US during our revolution? your logic would seem to point to yes.
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: flow]
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It isn't any of our business to dicate how a country runs itself...
GOD DAMN. This type of ignorance is what is wrong with the whole antiwar movement. True, it isn't any of our business how a country runs itself, but the people of iraq aren't governing themselves. Don't you see that? The country is run by a very small group of extremists who took control by force and maintain it by fear and force.
Still, why is this our business? Why should we be the ones to overthrow him?
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if the vast majority of people in a country want change they can bring it.
no, they can't in iraq. if the vast majority of the people in iraq rose up, what woud they fight with? Saddam would still have enough loyalists in the military to put up any uprising that would come along. Are you really ignorant enough to believe that the iraqi people could take out saddam alone?? THINK. PLEASE. is a person with an ak47 ever going to lose in a fight to a person with a rock or a stick? no, how are unarmed people going to fight tanks? How are unarmed people going to fight missles? or chem and bio weapons, or planes?
So, was it wrong for the French to help the US during our revolution? your logic would seem to point to yes.
Have you actually seen footage of people in Iraq? Just about everyone's packing heat. Haven't you seen all the civilians shooting machine guns into the air? Saddam seems to be one dictator who doesn't believe in gun control.
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: Innvertigo]
#1426671 - 04/03/03 03:36 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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What would you have suggested?
to try to get back to the point of this thread, i really don't think there is anything short of war that would remove saddam from power, however Bush really fucked up the diplomacy before the war. I would have ordered airstrikes against the Ansar al-Islam base in kurdistan, then surrounded the base with special forces to capture the fleeing terrorists. This way, it would provide at least some evidence that the purpose of this war is to stop terrorism. No doubt much greater evidence would have been gained from this encampment then, because most of them fled when the war started. If we were able to prove that this group had ties to Al-Qaeda, which would probably been easy, it would have brought a lot more international support for the war. Of course, i can't really know any of this for sure, but i think there was a lot bush could've done before this war to get the support of the UN, and this is just an example.
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: silversoul7]
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Still, why is this our business?
because we have some compassion for the people trying to live under his boot. Also, you're an idiot if you can't see how a man like saddam with power he had could be a huge threat to his neighbors, many of which are our allies.
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Why should we be the ones to overthrow him?
who else is going to do anything about it? certainly not the UN. So you're saying we should just let saddam's rule be passed to one of his sons after he dies so the people of iraq can live forever in fear? This is what would happen if we did nothing, is this what you want??
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Haven't you seen all the civilians shooting machine guns into the air? Saddam seems to be one dictator who doesn't believe in gun control.
"all the civilians." damn you're right every single iraqi has a gun, damn im stupid, what was i thinking.
You ever try to take down a tank with a machine gun? how about a plane? or a missle?
My point is, let's just say that the southern half of iraq rebels against saddam, how are they going to stop him from completely obliterating there homes with missles or airstrikes?? Saddam has demonstrated several times that he has no problem killing innocent civilians to put down uprisings. Would you go fight if you thought you would come home to the charred remains of your family? no. You would just try to survive.
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Still, why is this our business?
because we have some compassion for the people trying to live under his boot. Also, you're an idiot if you can't see how a man like saddam with power he had could be a huge threat to his neighbors, many of which are our allies.
If he does threaten one of our allies, then we should come to their rescue. But I see no need to invade because he "might" someday threaten one of our allies.
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Why should we be the ones to overthrow him?
who else is going to do anything about it? certainly not the UN. So you're saying we should just let saddam's rule be passed to one of his sons after he dies so the people of iraq can live forever in fear? This is what would happen if we did nothing, is this what you want??
How about the Iraqi people? Saddam doesn't have that firm a grasp on his country. If the Kurds could form an alliance w/ some of the other people oppressed by him, it wouldn't be that hard for them to overthrow Saddam. That is, of course, if the people of Iraq really want to be "liberated."
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Haven't you seen all the civilians shooting machine guns into the air? Saddam seems to be one dictator who doesn't believe in gun control.
"all the civilians." damn you're right every single iraqi has a gun, damn im stupid, what was i thinking.
You ever try to take down a tank with a machine gun? how about a plane? or a missle?
My point is, let's just say that the southern half of iraq rebels against saddam, how are they going to stop him from completely obliterating there homes with missles or airstrikes?? Saddam has demonstrated several times that he has no problem killing innocent civilians to put down uprisings. Would you go fight if you thought you would come home to the charred remains of your family? no. You would just try to survive.
I'm sorry if I confused you. I didn't mean to imply that all Iraqis have guns. Look, if they did try to overthrow their government, I might be in favor of lending military support. I just don't think we should be acting on our own initiative and telling the Iraqi people that it's for their own good.
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: silversoul7]
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If he does threaten one of our allies, then we should come to their rescue. But I see no need to invade because he "might" someday threaten one of our allies.
we could argue this forever, but i don't think it was a question of IF saddam threatens an ally, but WHEN.
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If the Kurds could form an alliance w/ some of the other people oppressed by him, it wouldn't be that hard for them to overthrow Saddam.
this just shows you're total ignorance of the situation. what happened after the gulf war? They tried, and were brutally slaghtered. going back to my previous post, how would any sort of revolutionary force stop saddam from destroying their homes with missle attacks? they simply could not.
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Look, if they did try to overthrow their government, I might be in favor of lending military support. I just don't think we should be acting on our own initiative and telling the Iraqi people that it's for their own good.
ok, but they have tried and failed. so now it's our turn to do it for them. Also, don't act like the Kurds, about 1/3 of the iraqi population, aren't fighting alongside US troops, because they are. they just aren't doing much because we know that our own forces can do the job much more effectively.
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: Innvertigo]
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Give Saddam to Israel or Kurds and let them get some payback.
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: Cracka_X]
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better--arrange a trade: Bush for Saddam
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: Innvertigo]
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Just about everyone of us, with the exception of a few pro-saddam supporters, can agree that saddam has to go.
If only you'd have made this kind of noise when Bush and Reagan and Rumsfield were busy propping up Saddam in the 80's.
"Debates" like this miss the point entirely. It's like saying "After you have smoked for 50 years and are dying of cancer what should you do, radiotherapy, chemotherapy or surgery". The only option that actually works is not to smoke in the first place.
The only real solution is not to arm and fund brutal dictators in the first place. End of story. Take out Bush's father and shoot him for arming Saddam. That would make future presidents wary of propping up dictators.
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: Innvertigo]
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Infltrating spies into Iraq to give information of where Saddam is so that we could bomb his ass. It would take a while, but the cost would be far less.
Maybe just bombing like we did at the start of this war. We could just wait until we could bomb again. Sending in infantry isn't a good idea imo. We could just destroy all his palaces and shit so he has to either build them again so we could bomb him again, or not have anymore palaces anymore.
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The only real solution is not to arm and fund brutal dictators in the first place. End of story. Take out Bush's father and shoot him for arming Saddam. That would make future presidents wary of propping up dictators.
Dude, do you even read the shit that you write? I mean honestly, do you?
At first, when I was reading your post, I read the first two paragraphs and just skipped over the third, and scrolled down the page. But then I scrolled back up and read the last. Then I proceeded to kick myself in the nutts.
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: Rono]
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And the question is what right do we have to dictate how a country runs itself?
I'll keep that statement in mind when I see people here saying the US needs to do things "their' way.
While I realize you're talking about the US going into Iraq (which I'm sure your honest enough to admit you've seen me say I had hoped wouldn't happen), doesn't your logic apply as well to those from other countries who post here saying the US needs gun control, socialised medicine, different methods of running elections and so on?
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: Skikid16]
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Then I proceeded to kick myself in the nutts.
that was funny... 
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: Innvertigo]
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The thing is, after the gas attacks, NOTHING changed in our relationship with Saddam. Not until he invaded Kuwait any way. So NOW what do we do? I should have addressed that. I like the idea stated above about just finding a way to kill his ass without invading, but this is ridiculous to talk about because we have already invaded. No point in debating now.
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1428338 - 04/04/03 08:37 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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doesn't your logic apply as well to those from other countries who post here saying the US needs gun control, socialised medicine, different methods of running elections and so on?
Not at all...there is a distinct difference between discussing possible changes that could be made to a country and actually going in and forcing those changes to happen. (Although I understand your point)
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: Rono]
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From Buhdda:
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but this is ridiculous to talk about because we have already invaded. No point in debating now.
This was the whole point of this thread. NOONE has offered a realistic solution, short of war. Flow and Murex were the only ones who had an attempt towards a solution but it ended up being a solution that involved military action, which is what we are experienceing right now, granted a little different.
So i thank all those that tried but have no real solution. Bush is obviously on the right track, if you feel differently, feel free to give us your solution. I don't want to hear a bunch of screming about what we shouldn't of done and the likes. I just want to hear solutions but as to date we have no other VALID solutions.
I don't think it's fair to say what bush did was wrong but at the same time have no alternative solutions. This was not an easy decision to make and it would be nice if those that are opposed would see that.
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: Innvertigo]
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I don't want to hear a bunch of screming about what we shouldn't of done and the likes
Yeah I know you don't want to hear Bush's dad is responsible for arming Saddam but it's the truth.
So what's your solution to lung cancer? Keep on smoking and then have the chemo? Or not smoke in the first place?
This was not an easy decision to make
It was an incredibly easy decision to make. American corporations are going to make billions in Iraq. The really hard decision is when to stop. Syria and Iran could make them just as much money.
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: Xlea321]
#1428416 - 04/04/03 09:30 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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I rest my case....
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: Innvertigo]
#1429022 - 04/04/03 02:13 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bush is obviously on the right track, if you feel differently, feel free to give us your solution. I don't want to hear a bunch of screming about what we shouldn't of done and the likes. I just want to hear solutions but as to date we have no other VALID solutions.
We could have contiued status quo with sanctions, and just let Iraq fester and decay. Hell, if innocent Iraqis are gonna die, I'd rather it'd be on Saddam's watch than on America's.
I mean why does Saddam have to be removed from power. I guess that's the biggest problem that I have. I mean I know he's evil, I don't support him, but it isn't our problem, is it?
There are plenty of other evil leaders, are they next?
And what makes America the moral authority of the world?
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: Rono]
#1429088 - 04/04/03 02:43 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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It isn't any of our business to dicate how a country runs itself
So then this war isn't any of your business since your country is neither Iraq, nor one of the coalition nations.
I guess you should have said "It isn't any of our business to dicate how a country runs itself unless it's America.
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#1429118 - 04/04/03 02:53 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bravo BH, bravo.
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#1429217 - 04/04/03 03:29 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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well put....
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#1429540 - 04/04/03 05:07 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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So then this war isn't any of your business since your country is neither Iraq, nor one of the coalition nations.
I guess you should have said "It isn't any of our business to dicate how a country runs itself unless it's America.
Just keep your slimy hands off Canada!
Americans know they would have no chance against Rono.
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: pattern]
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...and his attack beaver....  
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: pattern]
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#1429576 - 04/04/03 05:23 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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It isn't any of our business to dicate how a country runs itself
So then this war isn't any of your business since your country is neither Iraq, nor one of the coalition nations.
I guess you should have said "It isn't any of our business to dicate how a country runs itself unless it's America.
Maybe it isn't his business to dictate how we run things, but as an American, I will confirm his statement.
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: silversoul7]
#1429601 - 04/04/03 05:39 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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haha
Not like it matters these days, but the solution I liked was to give Saddam another two years to disarm.
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Re: How would you of ousted Saddam? [Re: flow]
#1429789 - 04/04/03 06:43 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've never been more certain that people have no idea what the fuck their talking about.
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