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Re: Why are americans doing the least? [Re: linkamathingy]
#14294147 - 04/15/11 04:28 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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linkamathingy: Your disagreement is fine, and discussion of ideas is generally unlimited, but you may not call others names in general, such as "fucking trolls".
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Seuss
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Re: Why are americans doing the least? [Re: johnm214]
#14294203 - 04/15/11 04:57 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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> i don't post unsupportable nonsense
And yet you post unsupported nonsense. For example, "talk back and get assassinated because that's allowed in america by the obama administration". I've looked, and I cannot find any reference to Obama giving anybody permission to assassinate anybody else. Perhaps you are privy to information the rest of us are not?
> i am not wasting my time on changing people's views through text. fucking trolls.
Irony. 
> once again i am trolled into leaving the non-productive section of these forums
The magic fairy forum is down the hall on your left.
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Re: Why are americans doing the least? [Re: Seuss]
#14294297 - 04/15/11 05:55 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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He's probably referring to the case of Anwar al-Awlaki, who its been reported Obama authorized the killing of by US forces (not sure of the limitations of the authorization).
The fuss is that he's a US citizen, though one living abroad who's evading capture and the law. Rather than being killed because he 'talks back' and criticizes the US, the assasination was reportedly authorized if he couldn't be captured because he's been encouraging people to commit terrorist acts against the US, other treasonous activity that goes far beyond words, and there's now reportedly evidence that he's actually involved in terrorist recruiting networks directly.
Of course, this has nothing to do with his claim that you can be killed for talking back to the US or anything like that, and it may not be what he was referring to at all.
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Re: Why are americans doing the least? [Re: johnm214]
#14294310 - 04/15/11 06:10 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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> He's probably referring to the case of Anwar al-Awlaki, who its been reported Obama authorized the killing of by US forces (not sure of the limitations of the authorization).
The only thing I can find to validate this claim (that Obama approved an assassination of a US citizen by US assets) are a bunch of news reports with "anonymous government officials" backing up the claim. The non-anonymous government officials, when asked to comment, say "we follow the law" (my wording). Just because anonymous government officials make a claim to the media does not mean that it is true. (My reply is in general, not to Johnm214 specifically...)
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Re: Why are americans doing the least? [Re: Seuss]
#14294324 - 04/15/11 06:21 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, that's the state of things from my perspective as well. The news reports all cite each other or nameless officials.
I'm not too concerned, personally, if this is the case. You've always been able to be killed in cases like this if your on foreign soil/the battlefield and aiding the enemy in war- citizen or not. If he wants the benefit of a trial he can surrender and he'll get one. So long as he continues though and is an active threat where capture isn't trivial, I'm fine with it.
I'm pretty pro free speech rights, and I really don't see this having any relevance at all. This case would be more like if Jave Fonda went to Hanoi and then started firing artillery shells over the DMZ or manufactured ordinance. This guy has been advocating terrorist attacks for a while, it was only when the evidence of his involvement came out that these reports surfaced.
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Re: Why are americans doing the least? [Re: johnm214]
#14294347 - 04/15/11 06:34 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Also, there may actually not be an "order" to kill the yoyo. The anonymous government officials could be lying for any number of reasons... to flush the guy out, to cause chatter for intelligence folks to follow to try and find him, to dissuade others from following in his footsteps, etc...
Regardless, I agree with you... once you start attacking US soldiers, you are fair game as a legitimate US military target, regardless of your citizenship. And as you pointed out earlier, this has nothing to do with "talking back" or any such nonsense.
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