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Re: Why are americans doing the least? [Re: ahchela]
    #14260811 - 04/08/11 09:33 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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The federal government sets the standard for all the states, and the state cooperate to a degree that if you commit a crime in one - they'll arrest you in another. In another country the process of extradition is not nearly as cut and dry. This is a single country with very minor regional differences.

Last point, this country has a very rich culture. Americans spawned the wild west, beat generation, bebop, swing, blues, much of the 60's counter culture and much more. America has a very rich culture, unfortunately corporations have exploited it to the point where few remember. God I love what this country used to be, it used to be great.




i'll concede and agree that yes, all of the things you mentioned are great pieces of our cultural history that most enjoy remembering. and i also agree that what America was and what America is currently are very, very different animals.

i most definitely disagree with your personal observation of America being a united country with very little regional difference. you obviously haven't traveled and lived in various parts of the U.S. I've lived in the South, the Northeast, Colorado, the Pacific Northwest and California (which is definitely a different country unto itself).

I've observed some similarities in all of these regions and many differences that make up little sub-cultures within the larger culture. Part of what i enjoy about living in the U.S. is the fact that it's a large country with a wide variety of people living throughout its vast landscapes.

I'm always reluctant to speak about the things i enjoy about the U.S. because americans are so vastly insecure in themselves as a people and a country that they feel the need to always over exaggerate the position of the U.S.

There is too much inherent ego behind much of what is publicly said about America and i try to put a healthy amount of distance between myself and the ego trip so many immature americans seem to be on.

Like i said before, America is an interesting place to live and, like any other country, it has its pros and cons. There's nothing exceptional about this particular land mass we call the U.S.

No need to make a big deal about it :shrug:


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Re: Why are americans doing the least? [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14260945 - 04/08/11 10:12 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

It's all about the basis of our laws. The constitution and the bill of rights are the shit. That is what makes this place exceptional.

There are other places I want to go but no other place I would rather live.


That is not to say that I am satisfied with the way our politicians are handling things. "In my opinion" they need to "get the fuck out"!

Edited by EdgeChaos (04/08/11 10:17 PM)

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Re: Why are americans doing the least? [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14261278 - 04/08/11 11:31 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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i most definitely disagree with your personal observation of America being a united country with very little regional difference. you obviously haven't traveled and lived in various parts of the U.S. I've lived in the South, the Northeast, Colorado, the Pacific Northwest and California (which is definitely a different country unto itself).

I've observed some similarities in all of these regions and many differences that make up little sub-cultures within the larger culture. Part of what i enjoy about living in the U.S. is the fact that it's a large country with a wide variety of people living throughout its vast landscapes.

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Like i said before, America is an interesting place to live and, like any other country, it has its pros and cons. There's nothing exceptional about this particular land mass we call the U.S.

No need to make a big deal about it :shrug:




I've lived in 4 states, 7 or 8 cities, 2 coasts and inland.
There are regional differences but the federal government is what it is, either way though - not exactly a big point. I'll just agree to disagree

Definitely agree theres no need to make a big deal about it, in the overall scheme of life there is nothing special about America. Its just another piece of land with people in it.


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Re: Why are americans doing the least? [Re: meatcakeman]
    #14261428 - 04/09/11 12:16 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Out of everything that is going on in the world, why are the American People doing the least? Why is it that any other country will stand up aganst their rouge government and americans wont? are we really in some upside down brainwashing, Orwellian, brave new world?
The people have had NO say in anything that has happened in the government for at least the past 10 years. How does this fucking happen? this is so twisted!
Are people really satisfied with the way things are? and if not why wont they/we do anything? What is that threshold at which people will say enough is enough?





until global unrest begins to affect our own society, us Americans probably won't care enough to do anything. most of us are generally too stupid to realize any of it anyways.



Ive really been hoping and rooting for a collapse of some sort for a few years now. even if it kills me I want society/civilization to collapse. Im ready for it and I believe the world will be better than it is now. I dont think its going to be some groove utopian eco-society right after something like that happens, but do I think it will be better than it is now at least.

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Re: Why are americans doing the least? [Re: Greenvalley]
    #14262208 - 04/09/11 08:48 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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until global unrest begins to affect our own society, us Americans probably won't care enough to do anything. most of us are generally too stupid to realize any of it anyways.



Ive really been hoping and rooting for a collapse of some sort for a few years now. even if it kills me I want society/civilization to collapse. Im ready for it and I believe the world will be better than it is now. I dont think its going to be some groove utopian eco-society right after something like that happens, but do I think it will be better than it is now at least.




Yeah I don't even know man.
This world is just rediculous :shrug:


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Re: Why are americans doing the least? [Re: Greenvalley] * 1
    #14262669 - 04/09/11 11:19 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Greenvalley said:
Out of everything that is going on in the world, why are the American People doing the least? Why is it that any other country will stand up aganst their rouge government and americans wont? are we really in some upside down brainwashing, Orwellian, brave new world?
The people have had NO say in anything that has happened in the government for at least the past 10 years. How does this fucking happen? this is so twisted!
Are people really satisfied with the way things are? and if not why wont they/we do anything? What is that threshold at which people will say enough is enough?






What are you talking about man?



When writing this out, did it not occur to you that you might be presupposing just a tiny little thing?  Like... the whole premise of your question?

I don't even know what your talking about, and you've certainly not justified your presuppostion.


For whatever reason, anti americanism seems to be popular, especially with americans.  I wish I knew why, it certainly seems to be in spite of rational thinking, that's for sure.\

My guess is its people who were influenced by garden variety patriotism and nationalist throught in their formative years who suddently learn some tiny bit of history and realize the USA isn't perfect, and then suddenly conclude that the US is terrible, and forever (or untill they learn any history) harbor anti-american sentiments.

It certainly seems that the people who do this kinda thing are particularly ignorant.  They also seem to be pretty arrogant in most cases- how often have they came to this board and implied that anyone who disagrees with their view of american law, culture, history, whatever does so out of ignorant or nationalist hubris? 

Certainly seems that the more anti-american the us-resident poster is, the least he knows of history and the less thought that has gone into his position.

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Re: Why are americans doing the least? [Re: DieCommie]
    #14263037 - 04/09/11 12:59 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Yes we do live comfortably and with material luxary; but is that really a good thing? is that all that matters to us?




To some people it is.  To others, they choose to live a different lifestyle.  The reason things are great in the US is you have the choice to pursue either.  Its all up to you.

Personally, Im not gonna work my ass off for the rest of my life for excess material luxury.  Fortunately I live in a country where I have that option.




Dude, that's actually like a hippie point of view...:mushroom2:

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Re: Why are americans doing the least? [Re: HippieChick8]
    #14263059 - 04/09/11 01:05 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Compared to the general population, I am very much a hippie.

Compared to the shroomery population, I am a right wing conservative.

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Re: Why are americans doing the least? [Re: DieCommie]
    #14263087 - 04/09/11 01:12 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Compared to the general population, I am very much a hippie.

Compared to the shroomery population, I am a right wing conservative.





lol, too true.  Other people accuse me of being a liberal, communist, whatever.  Its only on the shroomery that I'm a crazy right-wing troll.

I like your point about the freedom to choose: the right to decide to not work for luxury or the right to limit your working or not work at all.

The people supporting socialism and communist government, who criticize the striving for luxury, seem to miss this point quite often.  At least in a capitalist country you can decide not to work or to work less.  People have cited the communist countries such as Soviet Russia as examples of something to strive for, with their low unemployment, but then again, you tend to not have too much unemployment when you can't quit and if don't work you die.

Freedom is the better policy :thumbup:  The people mad about the persuit of luxury seem to be victims of the same envy and jealousy they accuse others of harboring: why else would they care what others strive for if they are not forced to do so as well?

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Re: Why are americans doing the least? [Re: johnm214]
    #14265216 - 04/10/11 01:01 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

americans do the least because of:

fluoride,

vaccinations,

an education system meant to benefit the state over the individual(brainwashing),

a lack of information most of which is common knowledge to people outside of the US

the perpetual state of partial starvation that comes from the average american diet

specialization, a cultural standard, leads to people being master of one trade, more inept at the rest of life.

the corporatocracy attempting to rule the world was progressed from the US with the dollar, and some people have a stake in it.

apathy,

elitist malthusian overpopulation agenda indoctrination at universities of the "brightest(those who fell for debt-based money loans that destroy real economic progress for promises of higher individual lifetime income)."

lolz. plain old human fear


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Re: Why are americans doing the least? [Re: linkamathingy]
    #14266956 - 04/10/11 12:55 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Why are americans doing the least? [Re: DieCommie]
    #14267825 - 04/10/11 04:29 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Greenvalley said:
Are people really satisfied with the way things are?




Yes, and they should be.  Things are very good here in the US, and to think otherwise shows a glaring ignorance and lack of perspective.




Commie, dare I say that this being said in itself shows a deep lack of perspective? Not everything is good for everyone. And saying otherwise in no way is a reflection of ignorance, I'd say in fact that saying things are great shows me a lack experience of the darker side of the way this society and it's governmental systems work.
Things have never been very good for everyone.
I'd say for a decent percentage of people, things are good here in the U.S.

I'm saying this from personal experience, having been homeless 3 times growing up with my family, my father having a good paying, secure government job. We were even living within our means.
I'm gunna keep this simple and vague do it's personal nature, but.. Money was taken out of each of my Dad's paycheck to go toward social security which he could not get in our times of need all while watching illegal immigrants get the money he actually had a job to pay for if he ever needed it...
I went days sometimes a week or longer without food in my belly. 
The very systems which he paid into for his families security incase of anything ever happened, failed him.
We were only that situation because of loopholes in laws and a lack of law, that tends to screw people over.

Saying me and my family and anyone else who has been in situations of such a nature should be satisfied with that kind broken bureaucracy and sick societal functioning is just silly... Things are not and never will be in a state of perfection and good for everybody...
No, I am not satisfied with the way some things are, because I've seen the flaws and have suffered because of them and know others whom have no reason to suffer are going through the same non-sense, not only in my city, but all across the world.
This all reminds me of a good old George Carlin quote.
"It's called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it."

When it boils down to the dark side, it ain't that much different than the rest of the world.


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Re: Why are americans doing the least? [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #14267906 - 04/10/11 04:49 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

If he had a good secure government job, what happened to it?  And you decry the soc sec socialist scheme while wondering why you got no help from a more socialist bureaucracy?  Aren't you decrying a lack of socialism?  If they didn't take money for soc sec would you have been any better off? 

Yeah the US sucks:flowstone:  Except every other place sucks more.

George Carlin made a sucker out of all of you with that quote.  He's the poster child for living it, the phony fuck.


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Re: Why are americans doing the least? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14267994 - 04/10/11 05:11 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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If he had a good secure government job, what happened to it?  And you decry the soc sec socialist scheme while wondering why you got no help from a more socialist bureaucracy?  Aren't you decrying a lack of socialism?  If they didn't take money for soc sec would you have been any better off? 

Yeah the US sucks:flowstone:  Except every other place sucks more.

George Carlin made a sucker out of all of you with that quote.  He's the poster child for living it, the phony fuck.




Yes, my family very likely would have not had this happen to them had the money not been taken for soc sec, I'd rather of my family had the money that he put into that, that he didn't get, than rather him having put it in period. You put in with the promise of it being there, you expect it to be there. The system is indeed fucked.
He had the job during the period. His wages had to be saved for us to get a new place, all while being garnished by companies that thankfully had laws passed against them that officially made illegal what they did to my family, those bitches.:mad2:


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Re: Why are americans doing the least? [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #14268112 - 04/10/11 05:36 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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zappaisgod said:
If he had a good secure government job, what happened to it?  And you decry the soc sec socialist scheme while wondering why you got no help from a more socialist bureaucracy?  Aren't you decrying a lack of socialism?  If they didn't take money for soc sec would you have been any better off? 

Yeah the US sucks:flowstone:  Except every other place sucks more.

George Carlin made a sucker out of all of you with that quote.  He's the poster child for living it, the phony fuck.




Yes, my family very likely would have not had this happen to them had the money not been taken for soc sec, I'd rather of my family had the money that he put into that, that he didn't get, than rather him having put it in period. You put in with the promise of it being there, you expect it to be there. The system is indeed fucked.




Ummm no. It is a mandatory retirement fund.
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He had the job during the period. His wages had to be saved for us to get a new place, all while being garnished by companies that thankfully had laws passed against them that officially made illegal what they did to my family, those bitches.:mad2:




Like what?  And they would have gotten that money, too.


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Re: Why are americans doing the least? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14268432 - 04/10/11 06:44 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Oh, is it? I had no idea. :blush:
Regardless his taxes payed into it... And when he really needed it and he and his family were homeless, they wouldn't provide it and were giving it to illegal aliens. :shrug:


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He had the job during the period. His wages had to be saved for us to get a new place, all while being garnished by companies that thankfully had laws passed against them that officially made illegal what they did to my family, those bitches.:mad2:




Like what?  And they would have gotten that money, too.




I'm not really sure what you mean. But, his whole check wasn't being garnished. Just enough to drive us homeless.

The way bills fell my Dad had to do this sometimes and what this site says explains it all....
It was pretty fucked up.Pay Day Loan Laws


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Re: Why are americans doing the least? [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #14271005 - 04/11/11 07:53 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

The only person who did anything wrong was your father who took out loans he couldn't afford.  Now with the new payday loan laws fewer people will be able to get them at all probably including him.  I'm sorry if that is harsh but I believe if you borrow money you have to pay it back.  There is no such thing as predatory lending, only predatory borrowing.  The interest rates are right there in the contract he signed.


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Re: Why are americans doing the least? [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #14271017 - 04/11/11 07:58 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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The only person who did anything wrong was your father who took out loans he couldn't afford.  Now with the new payday loan laws fewer people will be able to get them at all probably including him.  I'm sorry if that is harsh but I believe if you borrow money you have to pay it back.  There is no such thing as predatory lending, only predatory borrowing.  The interest rates are right there in the contract he signed.




you seem to live in some sort of simplistic vacuum where life is always predictable and you're always one step ahead of the game. nice to know you have the luxury of this kind of thinking, most of us have to deal with life as it comes :shrug:


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Re: Why are americans doing the least? [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14271024 - 04/11/11 07:59 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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zappaisgod said:
The only person who did anything wrong was your father who took out loans he couldn't afford.  Now with the new payday loan laws fewer people will be able to get them at all probably including him.  I'm sorry if that is harsh but I believe if you borrow money you have to pay it back.  There is no such thing as predatory lending, only predatory borrowing.  The interest rates are right there in the contract he signed.




you seem to live in some sort of simplistic vacuum where life is always predictable and you're always one step ahead of the game. nice to know you have the luxury of this kind of thinking, most of us have to deal with life as it comes :shrug:



Most of us don't actually fuck up that bad.  It's amazing but true.


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Re: Why are americans doing the least? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14271081 - 04/11/11 08:16 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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gerryjarcia said:
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zappaisgod said:
The only person who did anything wrong was your father who took out loans he couldn't afford.  Now with the new payday loan laws fewer people will be able to get them at all probably including him.  I'm sorry if that is harsh but I believe if you borrow money you have to pay it back.  There is no such thing as predatory lending, only predatory borrowing.  The interest rates are right there in the contract he signed.




you seem to live in some sort of simplistic vacuum where life is always predictable and you're always one step ahead of the game. nice to know you have the luxury of this kind of thinking, most of us have to deal with life as it comes :shrug:



Most of us don't actually fuck up that bad.  It's amazing but true.




i find the inverse to be more accurate.


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