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Re: 17 Charged in 'B-Girls' Alcohol Scam in Florida [Re: tibberous]
    #14257428 - 04/08/11 08:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Bernie Madoff  didnt really do any thing wrong the market went to shit and they lost all their money, Also if you are so greedy that you think that you will get 50pct return on your money a year, You deserve to be scammed, By the way,  if you act now  can guarantee a 49.999% return  on your money,

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Re: 17 Charged in 'B-Girls' Alcohol Scam in Florida [Re: tibberous]
    #14259309 - 04/08/11 03:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Point is, being drunk doesn't mean you shouldn't be protected and being 'rich' doesn't mean you deserve to get scammed. Nice shoes and good credit doesn't make you 'rich' anyway -- theres a lot of people with normal jobs that could charge 10-20k.

Besides - at the end of the night, the scammers can say anything - how can someone prove they did or didn't drink, or order or didn't order something.

Protecting people from scammers is in the public interest - that's why its illegal to scam people. If this was a story about Bernie Madoff would you be talking about 'personal responsibility'?




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"Some victims are so intoxicated by the drinks forced upon them..."





This is the only part of the article I see that I have any problem with. Patrons should not be charged for drinks that they did not want AND did not consume. If they did not order the drink, AND did not consume it they should not have to pay for it. If you consume something even though you didn't order it, well, expect to pay for it, or inquire as to WHOM is expected to pay for it before consuming it.

Yes protecting people from scammers is in the publics interest. What I am saying here is this article does a very poor job of showing how these guys were being scammed. This article seems only to reveal that 80 something idiots were duped into paying outrageous prices for alcoholic beverages served by hot European women... I still do not see the problem there. If you want to act like a baller and not care how much you're paying for a drink, don't balk at your $40,000 bill at the end of the night because you were a fucktard and didn't ask how much it cost BEFORE you ordered/consumed it.

As for Bernard Madoff anyone investing money needs to realize there is RISK involved. You could make money, or you could lose it all. In his case, you lost all or most of it... That is part of the investing game. If you don't want to lose money, well I don't know what to tell you to do with it. If you're going to invest it, understand there is no such investment as a sure thing. Anything could happen. Government bonds could be worthless because the government collapses, etc. If there is no US government there is no FDIC to insure your banking accounts. If you bury it in your backyard a giant sinkhole could open up and swallow all of your money, etc...

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Re: 17 Charged in 'B-Girls' Alcohol Scam in Florida [Re: Ojom]
    #14260552 - 04/08/11 08:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I also disagree with your estimation that having sex with a "pass-out drunk" female is rape, unless the female is actually passed out or conscious and actively refusing.





Having sex with an intoxicated person is always rape.


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"Another area of confusion on the date rape topic is intoxication. Bottom line, if a girl is intoxicated she cannot consent to sex and you could be charged with rape. It does not matter whether you knew she was intoxicated, it doesn’t matter if you were intoxicated too, all that matters is that she was not in a state of mind to consent and therefore it is rape. If you get a girl drunk or high and then “get together” with her you have committed a sexual assault. Again, it doesn’t matter if you are drunk or high as well. Your diminished abilities do not negate your responsibilities. A good rule to follow; if you are under the influence do not have sex."

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Re: 17 Charged in 'B-Girls' Alcohol Scam in Florida [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #14260581 - 04/08/11 08:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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"Another area of confusion on the date rape topic is intoxication. Bottom line, if a girl is intoxicated she cannot consent to sex and you could be charged with rape. It does not matter whether you knew she was intoxicated, it doesn’t matter if you were intoxicated too, all that matters is that she was not in a state of mind to consent and therefore it is rape. If you get a girl drunk or high and then “get together” with her you have committed a sexual assault. Again, it doesn’t matter if you are drunk or high as well. Your diminished abilities do not negate your responsibilities. A good rule to follow; if you are under the influence do not have sex."




:ilold: That's extremely bias but I don't doubt the validity of it.

Either way while intoxicated male and female partners lower standards making sex more probable.

There's a lot of rape going down then.


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Re: 17 Charged in 'B-Girls' Alcohol Scam in Florida [Re: Mr. Anderson]
    #14260803 - 04/08/11 09:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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There's a lot of rape going down then.





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Re: 17 Charged in 'B-Girls' Alcohol Scam in Florida [Re: 2jew4u]
    #14260873 - 04/08/11 09:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Bernie Madoff  didnt really do any thing wrong the market went to shit and they lost all their money,




Actually what he did was called a ponzi scheme and it is wrong and illegal.

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Re: 17 Charged in 'B-Girls' Alcohol Scam in Florida [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #14261616 - 04/09/11 01:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I also disagree with your estimation that having sex with a "pass-out drunk" female is rape, unless the female is actually passed out or conscious and actively refusing.





Having sex with an intoxicated person is always rape.


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"Another area of confusion on the date rape topic is intoxication. Bottom line, if a girl is intoxicated she cannot consent to sex and you could be charged with rape. It does not matter whether you knew she was intoxicated, it doesn’t matter if you were intoxicated too, all that matters is that she was not in a state of mind to consent and therefore it is rape. If you get a girl drunk or high and then “get together” with her you have committed a sexual assault. Again, it doesn’t matter if you are drunk or high as well. Your diminished abilities do not negate your responsibilities. A good rule to follow; if you are under the influence do not have sex."




I don't know if you're being funny or what, but that quote is attributed to a Mike Hardcastle and I can find no references as to why he believes intoxication immediately disqualifies a person from being able to consent to sex. Nor can I find any references to him being a lawyer, nor studying law.

If that is truly the case anyone who has ever consented to a police search while intoxicated should get the fruit's of their searches tossed out of court because they were not in their right mind to consent to a search of their house/vehicle/person...

On a more serious note, rape in Georgia appears to be defined as: (a) A person commits the offense of rape when he has carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will. Carnal knowledge in rape occurs when there is any penetration of the female sex organ by the male sex organ.

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Re: 17 Charged in 'B-Girls' Alcohol Scam in Florida [Re: Ojom]
    #14262401 - 04/09/11 10:05 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So are you saying that Roofie collodias are legal in Georgia?  That way she cant say no, and since she didnt say no, Its ok ?  The FUCKED UP LAWS we have.

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Re: 17 Charged in 'B-Girls' Alcohol Scam in Florida [Re: Ojom]
    #14276141 - 04/12/11 01:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I am having a hard time comprehending how this is illegal as well. Sounds like more bullshit out of Florida to me.

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so you guys are cool with chicks drugging dudes with stuff like scopalamine and then having them withdraw money from an ATM? Same thing here.




There was no mention of any such behavior in this article.





Uh not sure if you've ever drank, but ethanol is a fucking powerful drug. Also where is the ceiling? 50,000$, 100,000$, 1,000,000$? A reasonable price should be expected for certain things, and getting slapped with a 40k bill for that shit should be known. Let them know up front if they want to spend 40k on the bill, this is simply scamming people , none of them at all would have bought those drinks if they knew the price. They got scammed. That's illegal and for good reason.

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