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OfflineHidingInPlainSight
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EVeRyone Wants Peace...
    #1425671 - 04/03/03 10:45 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

hey i just wanted to post my opinion on the war:
everybody wants peace.. i mean c'mon who doesn't???
sometimes it takes war to reach peace



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Re: EVeRyone Wants Peace... [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #1425677 - 04/03/03 10:49 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I disagree...war just creates more war. Human history only proves my point.


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Re: EVeRyone Wants Peace... [Re: Rono]
    #1425707 - 04/03/03 11:09 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Human history only proves my point.




How? Do you honestly think that we have wars because we previously had wars? That makes no sense. I can use your logic and apply it to hitler. If we hadn't gone in then his evil would spread.


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Re: EVeRyone Wants Peace... [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #1425780 - 04/03/03 12:01 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

sometimes it does. not in this situation though.


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Re: EVeRyone Wants Peace... [Re: ]
    #1425797 - 04/03/03 12:17 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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sometimes it does. not in this situation though.






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Re: EVeRyone Wants Peace... [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #1425809 - 04/03/03 12:22 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I hate to be cliche here, but:

Fighting for peace is like fucking for your virginity!


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Re: EVeRyone Wants Peace... [Re: silversoul7]
    #1425814 - 04/03/03 12:25 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I hate to be cliche here, but:

To secure peace, you must prepare for war.


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Re: EVeRyone Wants Peace... [Re: ]
    #1425819 - 04/03/03 12:26 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

>How? Do you honestly think that we have wars because we previously had wars?

This is all leftover from World War II. When the allies took back the Middle East from the Axis powers, they cut the region up. Kuwait before WWII was a part of Iraq. After World War II, it became its own country. Israel did not exist before WWII.

Then you had the Cold War. Military coups, the war between Iran and Iraq, the USSR's invasion of Afghanistan, our invasion of Korea.

Then came the Gulf War, military occupation of the US in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, the theft of Iraqi resources by the Western powers, etc.

Of course war leads to more war, not that it is the only factor, but one of several whose list also includes greed and stupidity.


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Re: EVeRyone Wants Peace... [Re: friartuck]
    #1425826 - 04/03/03 12:28 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Of course war leads to more war




No, human nature leads to more wars.


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Re: EVeRyone Wants Peace... [Re: friartuck]
    #1425842 - 04/03/03 12:34 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Well, WW2 is linked to WW1, which stems from the Boer war...

Plus ages of tension between jews and muslims.

In some cases, war may be necessary. In this case, the US are obviously being the agressors.

The whole terrorism thing is happening because their presence and influence is resented in the middle east. By increasing their control over the region, the hatred is just being fueled.


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Re: EVeRyone Wants Peace... [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1425850 - 04/03/03 12:37 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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I hate to be cliche here, but:

To secure peace, you must prepare for war.



"We cannot simultaneously make peace and prepare for war"--Albert Einstein


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Re: EVeRyone Wants Peace... [Re: silversoul7]
    #1425930 - 04/03/03 01:12 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

That's right silversoul. The idea that the only way to have peace is for everybody to point their guns at everybody in case someone fires is ridiculous rhetoric started by weapons manufacturers


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Re: EVeRyone Wants Peace... [Re: silversoul7]
    #1425946 - 04/03/03 01:17 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Einstein is a mathamatician, not a head of state nor a humanitarian, but it's a nice cliche'.



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Re: EVeRyone Wants Peace... [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1426012 - 04/03/03 01:36 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, but the statement does kinda...add up... :grin:


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Re: EVeRyone Wants Peace... [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1426114 - 04/03/03 02:08 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Actually Verti, he was a lot of things in addition to being a mathamatician and a physicist. I've got a book at my parent's house (so concequently I cannot refer you to it) but it has a lot of his writings, letters, speeches and work contained within. He was a very smart person, and regardless of his proffession, he still is entitled to speak his mind, and formulate whatever theories he liked. Next time I head over there I will try to find the book if you're interested.


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Re: EVeRyone Wants Peace... [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
    #1426169 - 04/03/03 02:33 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

i know i was just adding a little editorial comment.  it was just a cliche' volley for the sake of it.

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He was a very smart person, 




No shit Einstien.... :grin: j/k

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he still is entitled to speak his mind, and formulate whatever theories he liked. 




Actually i really enjoy watching specials that have einstien theories (relativity, e=mc2 etc.)

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Next time I head over there I will try to find the book if you're interested. 




sure, why not.


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