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UnfriendlyToast
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shrooms right for me??????
#14256308 - 04/07/11 11:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have been debating on trying them for a long time. But there are a few things that are bugging me. First off i suffer from crippling depression. Depression is something i battle every day. I have always had suicidal thoughts, and up until recently attempted suicide on a regular basis I'm obviously not very good at it, but it doesn't change the fact that I try quite frequently. I also tend to dwell on the worst and have frequent and regular panic attacks. I used to hallucinate and become terrifyingly paranoid, but recently due to a much needed attitude change seems to have gone away for the most part. I live inside my mind and my mind is always racing, and Im going to assume this is why i also have frequent mood swings, both of which i have been able to fight off as of recently but both are still a problem.
I apologize if there are a million people like me that also think there a special kind of crazy that may not be able to enjoy shrooms. But i feel checking with experienced people Is prolly the best bet. Im also open to the idea that shrooms may even be good for me. Thanks for your time, stay crispy Shroomery.org, UnfriendlyToast.
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My opinion...mushrooms are not for everyone Can not really imagine how you would do... Could go either way, so my advice would be no... Don't till you get your depression and mental health issues under control...
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honestly friend this drug will highlight mostly everything you find your mind racing about and the parinoid feelings that evolve from it. I say stay a from any hulucinogenic substance tell you know in your HEART you ready... i can not right minded recommend shrooms to a person that claims suicidal thoughts and recent past attempts anyone who does should respectfully be banned from giving advice in this community.
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UnfriendlyToast
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Re: shrooms right for me?????? [Re: HarryL]
#14256396 - 04/07/11 11:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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thanks both of you! I think I'm close to being able to. I definetly need to wait a little while. Ive been getting allot better as of late. I just have a nasty history when it comes to mental health.
But in all honesty if im not alone <(required), and im truthfully feeling confident and enthusiastic about taking them i think i might.
Edited by UnfriendlyToast (04/07/11 11:30 PM)
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HarryL
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Just be safe
Set and setting.... Prepare... And dont if you do not feel it
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Re: shrooms right for me?????? [Re: Grungeman17]
#14256415 - 04/07/11 11:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I used to be very similar to you in some ways OP. Used to be very depressed, lonely, anxiety problems, self-esteem problems,etc. Never tried to commit suicide but I definitely considered it a few times.
Now I have personally tried both psilocybin and amanitas muscaria. I thoroughly enjoyed the amanitas(body high, giggly, lot of fun with friends on the same)but both times I used psilocybin I had a horrible trips. At first it would be fun and interesting but it would always turn dark. During the second trip I just felt some hateful energy well up inside me and went from laughing and having fun enjoying some visuals to feeling like nothing was right and the people I was tripping with were against me somehow. Had to run to the bathroom to puke it all up and caught a glimpse of myself in the mirror and had a complete meltdown where I just felt like the lowest piece of dirt and wanted nothing more than to crawl under a rock and die(luckily I just slept it off).
Is that normal for people with depression and other mental health problems? No idea, but it was true for me, and marijuana provided similar negative effects every time I smoked. Not blaming the chemical because it was definitely the baggage I brought in but I wouldn't dream of doing mushies unless I had a good feeling of self-worth and stable emotions.
If you want a good time to reflect on yourself maybe try some MDMA? I have never had a bad time on that and it actually helped heal some of the negative things I had been feeling up til then.
Edited by Halsfield (04/07/11 11:35 PM)
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well, if that is your choice here in the near future, find a good set and setting a place you are very comfortable with and may bring a positive eye candy. please for us, have a trusting "sober" friend with you durring your experience, that will esentally aid you in your experience and knows you well. don't inticapate the come on your mind will be off to races before the motors properly running if you do. lemon tek helps me with that, takes 20-30 min for come on compared to an hour, be warned that consuming shrooms with any high acidic drinks or fruits will intensify the experience at peak and will qual it from a duration perspective, meaning the trip will be shorter. in the search bar type in principles to avoiding bad trip. good info there.
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Re: shrooms right for me?????? [Re: Halsfield]
#14256437 - 04/07/11 11:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Halsfield said: I used to be very similar to you in some ways OP. Used to be very depressed, lonely, anxiety problems, self-esteem problems,etc. Never tried to commit suicide but I definitely considered it a few times.
Now I have personally tried both psilocybin and amanitas muscaria. I thoroughly enjoyed the amanitas(body high, giggly, lot of fun with friends on the same)but both times I used psilocybin I had a horrible trips. At first it would be fun and interesting but it would always turn dark. During the second trip I just felt some hateful energy well up inside me and went from laughing and having fun enjoying some visuals to feeling like nothing was right and the people I was tripping with were against me somehow. Had to run to the bathroom to puke it all up and caught a glimpse of myself in the mirror and had a complete meltdown where I just felt like the lowest piece of dirt and wanted nothing more than to crawl under a rock and die(luckily I just slept it off).
Is that normal for people with depression and other mental health problems? No idea, but it was true for me, and marijuana provided similar negative effects every time I smoked. Not blaming the chemical because it was definitely the baggage I brought in but I wouldn't dream of doing mushies unless I had a good feeling of self-worth and stable emotions.
If you want a good time to reflect on yourself maybe try some MDMA? I have never had a bad time on that and it actually helped heal some of the negative things I had been feeling up til then.
That bad trip sounds very similar to how I used to feel in general. Im going to google those long words at the beginning lol cause im a noob. My friend suggested MDMA to me, but the problem with that is getting real MDMA around here is rare its generally meth or something sadistic. But we know how to test it to make sure its the real shit. But i fear my mind may just not be wired right for some psychedelics.
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Re: shrooms right for me?????? [Re: Grungeman17]
#14256442 - 04/07/11 11:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Short answer: No.
Especially if you are on any kind of antidepressants (ie. SSRI's, MAOI's) because there can be bad pharmacological interactions. Before you do ANY psychedelic, you'll need to get things under control. Keep up with the attitude changes. Breathe deeply. Know that you're never stuck with what you're given.
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Re: shrooms right for me?????? [Re: Nightingale]
#14256500 - 04/08/11 12:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nightingale said: Short answer: No.
Especially if you are on any kind of antidepressants (ie. SSRI's, MAOI's) because there can be bad pharmacological interactions. Before you do ANY psychedelic, you'll need to get things under control. Keep up with the attitude changes. Breathe deeply. Know that you're never stuck with what you're given.
Can't just tell him no. Thought you brought up a good point about the meds.
Op sounds similar to me and what I went though. He should be feeling alright on the day or a few days prior to tripping. But he could feel fine and dandy for a month prior and if they're demons and underlying problems so to speak the mushroom experience will drag it to the surface anyways regardless of set and setting. Op when your feeling fine for a bit go for it. Know what your getting into and understand your going to have to confront shit.
Maybe look into DMT or Change(dmt)....
Anyones better off seeing what potential magic mushooms can offer then dead from suicide,escp when they've never had the experience.
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Yeah, I'd say it's a pretty big no. Psychedelics definitely could be used to heal, but self medication is unreliable and possibly dangerous for a person in your situation. Professionally guided MDMA therapy sounds like it would be right for you, but that shit is super underground, so good luck finding that...
If you're interested in alternative ways to help yourself, in the vein of consciousness expansion, maybe try meditation (specifically Mindfullness Meditation, satipatthana/vipassana). Have you ever tried meditation before? If so what was your experience with it.
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I agree with the above statement that MDMA might be better for you.
You used to hallucinate? While sober? I don't think you should trip until you are totally comfortable and confident about your mental health.
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UnfriendlyToast
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Re: shrooms right for me?????? [Re: Nightingale]
#14256559 - 04/08/11 12:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Im not on any anti depressants, I tribute many of my mental health issues to my parents stuffing my face with pills. I never knew who I was cause all I was was a pill for the longest time. Breaking my addiction to that shit was the best decision I have ever made. Im seeking shrooms purely for recreational purposes. I understand there's allot to learn but I just want to do something new. Im a huge stoner and have been for a long time, helped me through some hard times.
Edited by UnfriendlyToast (04/08/11 12:22 AM)
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If your interested in psychedelics purely for recreational purposes then I definitely do not recommend that you do them.
A lot of people who approach them with this intention eventually come to a rude awakening that psychedelics are a lot more than good times and pretty colors. They are a tour through heaven and hell, and offer a journey into the deepest reaches of inner space. And these intense, hellishly introspective experiences are often what will push otherwise mentally stable people over the edge into psychosis, depression, and anxiety.
If you were to say that you were interested in psychedelics for personal growth/exploration, I might say "proceed, but proceed with extreme caution".
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UnfriendlyToast
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I really appreciate all of your help, I have allot to think about as far as psychedelics go. Im going to sit for my friend next week, and ill think about it allot. I'm for sure not yet ready and will someday perhaps be ready. again, Stay crispy friends
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Quote:
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Nightingale said: Short answer: No.
Especially if you are on any kind of antidepressants (ie. SSRI's, MAOI's) because there can be bad pharmacological interactions. Before you do ANY psychedelic, you'll need to get things under control. Keep up with the attitude changes. Breathe deeply. Know that you're never stuck with what you're given.
Can't just tell him no. Thought you brought up a good point about the meds.
Op sounds similar to me and what I went though. He should be feeling alright on the day or a few days prior to tripping. But he could feel fine and dandy for a month prior and if they're demons and underlying problems so to speak the mushroom experience will drag it to the surface anyways regardless of set and setting. Op when your feeling fine for a bit go for it. Know what your getting into and understand your going to have to confront shit.
Maybe look into DMT or Change(dmt)....
Anyones better off seeing what potential magic mushooms can offer then dead from suicide,escp when they've never had the experience.
Seems like you're recommending DMT over shrooms for this situation. Could you explain your reasoning?
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OP.. I now agree with other posters.. I've been an empty emotionless shell from pills too. For recreation stay away from pychadelics, and I'm gonna erase my poorly executed advise from earliar. I didn't catch the hallucination during sober part either. If that means no medicines like anti depressants, well that's a sympton of skitzophrenia. Its a strange condition that can kinda remain dormant in people til they get older. But can be triggered and brought out full on by pychadelics.
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UnfriendlyToast said: That bad trip sounds very similar to how I used to feel in general. Im going to google those long words at the beginning lol cause im a noob. My friend suggested MDMA to me, but the problem with that is getting real MDMA around here is rare its generally meth or something sadistic. But we know how to test it to make sure its the real shit. But i fear my mind may just not be wired right for some psychedelics.
If you didn't look those up already psilocybin = "magic mushrooms" and were definitely the more intense mentally for me.
Amanitas Muscaria = A type of legal mushroom(at least they were, not sure of recent changes) I ordered online and were more of a fun body high sorta thing. Had little to no trouble on those as far as bad vibes go because it didn't really go into that. It was more just about having fun, laughing because of how crazy it felt, and feeling like time was slowed down. I'd read some trip reports and such before doing it but it went ok for me. You have a slightly different situation so I'm not sure if they would react with you in a negative way.
The amanitas were definitely a lot harder to get down.
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Re: shrooms right for me?????? [Re: Halsfield]
#14264098 - 04/09/11 07:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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dont trip if youre a lunatic
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Re: shrooms right for me?????? [Re: basic360]
#14264999 - 04/09/11 11:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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@ op nothing wrong with thinking about suicide, depression or paranoia. By itself. I know everyone has their limit. Just prepare like you're going to die, and don't do it around anyone. Then you won't be as worried about death or going crazy and it's all bonus. Or at least you'll have a story (hehe, or become one). If you just relax, listen to music, and tell yourself to not leave a bed, I don't think suicide would be a realistic concern. But then no one can see you better than yourself.
Start with a sub threshold dose and work your way up too. This allows you to think about what you're doing a little before deciding if you want to go through with it. I've made the mistake of just jumping into an unfamiliar chemical/plant a couple times and bad things can physically happen. Like barfing sour bile or bloody shits, depending on what you take.
A good time to trip is in the middle of the night too. Because if it starts to go South, you may be able to just go to sleep.
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Edited by maug (04/10/11 03:36 AM)
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