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Re: Guy who wrote pedophile book gets 2 years probation in Florida [Re: 2jew4u]
    #14256013 - 04/07/11 10:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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CNN wrote an article on this, they must be pedophiles :kingtard:




Yeas they were not supporting the guy,reporting on something is not like Saying yea I think that he should write a manual on how to molest kids like you, Why are you on this guys dick? Are you the co author of the book? Getting some royalties,what? did the guy write the book about you, you were his lil guinea pig, he tested all his methods on.Dont really get it. You must not have any kids/or neices or nephews.
So let me ask you this question,If some one wrote a book on how to kidnapp someone and torture them, set them free and not get caught.And Then it happened to you how would you think, would you hold the author responsible for the action, against you or would you say o well it was going to happen any way.




You're a (edited to keep within rules)

The kidnapper/torturer is responsible, not the guy who wrote a book about it.

I would hold the PERSON WHO COMITTED THE ACTUAL ACTS RESPONSIBLE.

DUH MAN get a grip, and join the freeking 18th century.

Christ.  no wonder the country is so fucked, people are so incredibly short sighted.

Take your ideas and go back to the dark ages with them.

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Re: Guy who wrote pedophile book gets 2 years probation in Florida [Re: 2jew4u]
    #14256028 - 04/07/11 10:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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CNN wrote an article on this, they must be pedophiles :kingtard:




Yeas they were not supporting the guy,reporting on something is not like Saying yea I think that he should write a manual on how to molest kids like you, Why are you on this guys dick? Are you the co author of the book? Getting some royalties,what? did the guy write the book about you, you were his lil guinea pig, he tested all his methods on.Dont really get it. You must not have any kids/or neices or nephews.
So let me ask you this question,If some one wrote a book on how to kidnapp someone and torture them, set them free and not get caught.And Then it happened to you how would you think, would you hold the author responsible for the action, against you or would you say o well it was going to happen any way.



I believe you should be able to write about whatever you want you nut.  I don't think someone reading a book will spawn them into becoming pedophiles.  If someone's going to rape a child they aren't going to whether they read a strategy guide or not.

edit: I misread that nvm, have you read anything that is posted in here or are you just throwing bullshit down here because you're full of emotion on the subject?

Do you realize: He got 2 years PROBATION for "distribution of obscene materials depicting minors engaged in activities harmful to minors."  If he actually committed this crime, why only 2 years probation?

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Re: Guy who wrote pedophile book gets 2 years probation in Florida [Re: PreparationH]
    #14256058 - 04/07/11 10:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

This is fucked up on so many levels.

First of all, let me say, though I have never read the book...I am against the message he is trying to send. Children aren't able to consent to sex. I know that he was trying to teach pedophiles how to have "safe sex with children" but I'm sorry, you can't rape someone nicely. Having sex with a child if you are an adult is rape. I knew someone who was molested by his stepfather who supposedly did it in a "lovingly" way. He is still scarred from those experiences in life. There is no ethical way to have sex with a child. I stand by that opinion.

That being said I am also a firm believer in our right to freedom of speech. He shouldn't have gone to jail for writing a fucking book. If they can put him away for that...well...there goes our rights. Can we go to jail because we post things about how to grow mushrooms on this website? Even if we don't grow them? Even though we are just giving advice? That's where we are heading...

It seems like they want to make an example out of this guy. As I have said before, I don't agree AT ALL with what he is writing about but sadly it is in his rights to say those things.

There has to be more to it than what they are saying on CNN. Ya know? I'd like to believe that he actually deserves to go to jail but honestly, it just seems like a door to prosecuting other people who are just giving advice (illegal or not).

Scary world we live in.  :facepalm3:


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Re: Guy who wrote pedophile book gets 2 years probation in Florida [Re: EmeraldEyes]
    #14256070 - 04/07/11 10:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"I am against the message he is trying to send"- As am I, you get it imo.

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Re: Guy who wrote pedophile book gets 2 years probation in Florida [Re: EmeraldEyes]
    #14256090 - 04/07/11 10:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I know that he was trying to teach pedophiles how to have "safe sex with children"





did you read the book?

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Re: Guy who wrote pedophile book gets 2 years probation in Florida [Re: Shins]
    #14256094 - 04/07/11 10:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think anyone can reasonably argue against the fact that the book, it's contents, it's author, and pedophilia are fucking vile and despicable. Rapists should be publicly castrated and get "rapist" tattooed on their faces IMO.

But being charged with "obscene materials".... IDK. Allowing this kind of precedent is dangerous. At first terrorism laws were being applied to Islamic radicals "who clearly were blowing up buildings and killing people." Now they get applied to skinny vegan kids who liberate bunnies from cosmetics labs. The logic of "well they're sociopaths and they have no rights" means that whatever the state/society is able to deem subversive, deviant, or "anti-social" can be made into a crime.

I think that whoever publishes this book should be boycotted. But I can't get on board with charging somebody JUST for writing a book, regardless of how incredibly fucked up it is.

Pedophilia/CP is one of the primary arguments beings made in favor of implementing censorship/control of the internet. And we all know that those censorship capabilities are going to be used primarily for political purposes and social control.


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Re: Guy who wrote pedophile book gets 2 years probation in Florida [Re: PreparationH]
    #14256103 - 04/07/11 10:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Goes back to what what said: THe country is fucked up when you get 5yrs for a pound of pot, But only get 2yrs probation for writing a "how to look but dont touch" Cho mo book-  hell you can get more time for filming a Grown woman getting fucked by a donkey-  thats what is being said- Where is the ugh what would the Us call it o yea Justice, thats the word.  And you cant just write books about what ever you want, or own what ever you want. That is just some Ideallistic Bullshit on your part if you believe that.  U cant write books on how to: explosives silencers,manufacture  or can you own Full auto guns, or explosives or silencers, and the list goes on. And those dont hurt anybody :shrug:

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Re: Guy who wrote pedophile book gets 2 years probation in Florida [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #14256107 - 04/07/11 10:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't think anyone can reasonably argue against the fact that the book, it's contents, it's author, and pedophilia are fucking vile




so you've read the book and know it's contents

have all the reporters read the book? what about the prosecutor and the judge?

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Re: Guy who wrote pedophile book gets 2 years probation in Florida [Re: PreparationH]
    #14256125 - 04/07/11 10:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"distribution of obscene materials depicting minors engaged in activities harmful to minors."

I guess I don't understand. Was it a picture book?

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Re: Guy who wrote pedophile book gets 2 years probation in Florida [Re: 2jew4u]
    #14256142 - 04/07/11 10:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Goes back to what what said: THe country is fucked up when you get 5yrs for a pound of pot, But only get 2yrs probation for writing a "how to look but dont touch" Cho mo book-




so then, you disapprove of the first amendment, we need to prevent people
from writing anything anti-government, we need to establish a state religion
and you're not allowed to speak your beliefs because you dont like the
contents of a book you've never read


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U cant write books on how to: explosives silencers,manufacture  or can you own Full auto guns, or explosives or silencers, and the list goes on. And those dont hurt anybody :shrug:




bullshit. I own several of those very types of books, bought them from
various sources including having a bookstore order a few of them


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Re: Guy who wrote pedophile book gets 2 years probation in Florida [Re: Aser]
    #14256156 - 04/07/11 10:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

At first I thought it was talking about photographs but then I realized, I don't even think it is about photographs, he's being charged on the basis of its writings about children depicted in sexual acts.  I believe.

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Re: Guy who wrote pedophile book gets 2 years probation in Florida [Re: 2jew4u]
    #14256167 - 04/07/11 10:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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U cant write books on how to: explosives silencers,manufacture  or can you own Full auto guns, or explosives or silencers, and the list goes on. And those dont hurt anybody :shrug:




I got a pocket manual from the army surplus store which describes all kind of methods for setting booby traps designed to kill people... :shrug:


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Re: Guy who wrote pedophile book gets 2 years probation in Florida [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14256173 - 04/07/11 10:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

No, I haven't. Like I said in my previous post. I haven't read the book but I don't agree with the message he is trying to send.

Ya know?

I believe that the prosecutor, the judge, and the jury should all have to read the book.

I know that the book is an example of freedom of speech and that he technically didn't hurt anyone. It still scares me to think that it teaches people how to get children into bed.

Not trying to be presumptuous, I promise.


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Re: Guy who wrote pedophile book gets 2 years probation in Florida [Re: PreparationH]
    #14256183 - 04/07/11 10:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So if I were to write
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there was a naked child


that would be punishable by law?

Fucked up.

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Re: Guy who wrote pedophile book gets 2 years probation in Florida [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14256196 - 04/07/11 10:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thought christianty was the Us main religion, Didnt they  kill off all the natives to make sure of that, or put them in concentration camps, sorry mean  reservations,  And God blah blah is in the Constitution and on the money, so you cant say that religion doesnt play a major part, and you book looks pre terrorist times- like some shit from the 80's  back when you could get fully auto macs no problem, and you didnt have to wait to buy a gun.  But guess it cant be any Worse than Marquis de Sade,Books -

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Re: Guy who wrote pedophile book gets 2 years probation in Florida [Re: Aser]
    #14256210 - 04/07/11 10:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What about
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There were some minors and they were drinking and driving also they were naked




That depicts minors engaged in activities harmful to minors and could be considered obscene. I think that the law is way to broad and is being used corruptly by those bastards.

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Thought christianty was the Us main religion, Didnt they  kill off all the natives to make sure of that, or put them in concentration camps, sorry mean  reservations,  And God blah blah is in the Constitution and on the money, so you cant say that religion doesnt play a major part, and you book looks pre terrorist times- like some shit from the 80's  back when you could get fully auto macs no problem, and you didnt have to wait to buy a gun.  But guess it cant be any Worse than Marquis de Sade,Books -




Wtf are you on about now?

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Re: Guy who wrote pedophile book gets 2 years probation in Florida [Re: Aser]
    #14256224 - 04/07/11 10:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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What about
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There were some minors and they were drinking and driving also they were naked




That depicts minors engaged in activities harmful to minors and could be considered obscene. I think that the law is way to broad and is being used corruptly by those bastards.




That was their choice, Not you got them drunk and molested them kinda different, Or sorry was "being nice" just made them take pictures with eachother,but dont touch- really-

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Re: Guy who wrote pedophile book gets 2 years probation in Florida [Re: EmeraldEyes]
    #14256235 - 04/07/11 10:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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No, I haven't. Like I said in my previous post. I haven't read the book but I don't agree with the message he is trying to send.

Ya know?




I know that none of us have read the book but we're relying on what the
press is telling us to believe about the book, we're basing what we know
about the book strictly on that



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I believe that the prosecutor, the judge, and the jury should all have to read the book.

I know that the book is an example of freedom of speech and that he technically didn't hurt anyone. It still scares me to think that it teaches people how to get children into bed.

Not trying to be presumptuous, I promise.




we dont know anything about the book other than what we're told yet we're
condemning the guy for writing it, a publisher published it and only one
state has bothered trying the guy under their obscenity laws with a charge
that's vague but leading in regards to the actual content

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Re: Guy who wrote pedophile book gets 2 years probation in Florida [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14256267 - 04/07/11 10:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The press does have a really bad habit of blowing things way out of proportion and blatantly lying to the public.

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    #14256277 - 04/07/11 11:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Growing up I used to wonder how people could possibly grow up in Germany and commit atrocities like the Holocaust, how WWII could have possibly happened and how people could do such wrong to other people.

I don't wonder anymore.  It's easy to understand really but it almost requires that it take place during one's lifetime.  There are many variables but in the end it comes down to people.  People just don't care any more.

Just like in this thread; there are people here who will put their voices, money and guns behind locking up or even killing people who write about certain subjects they find profane.

People talking about killing people for writing books.

I understand far more thoroughly than I ever wanted to about how states become totalitarian and commit atrocities; make illegal behaviors which seem ridiculous (like say, being Jewish?)


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