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Re: Coco Coir vs Horse Poo [Re: Damion5050]
    #14262878 - 04/09/11 12:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Here is the flat truth of it.. My coir tubs will and do out perform most poo grows.. I mean when I can pull 7-9oz dry from first flush MS on a 10gallon tub then I think I will stick to coir !!



:picdidnthappen: lol. Wait, I have some...



That's using Damion5050's Coir tek to the T (I didn't even add gypsum to the boiling water, just in the grain soak) They're 1:1 ratio PE6. 4 of those tubs = 1 mono tub. I got 10-1/2 oz cracker dry off the first flush.


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Re: Coco Coir vs Horse Poo [Re: Damion5050]
    #14262882 - 04/09/11 12:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I have used coir treated with trich before.. after pasteurization, no issues.. 3 flushes, then tossed in my boys backyard.. no contams..

im just saying.. pasteurization will kill all of the trich spores.. if done correctly..

shit.. i may just go out of my way to find a brick of trich treated coir (notice I said "out of my way"), and do it again.. hahaha

you dont think poo from a field has a bunch of naughties on it? plenty of people get poo from fields, that has been sitting in the open air, with plenty of spores attaching to it.. after pasteurization, no problems.. seems to me that if it will pasteurize poo from a field, then coir should be no issue..


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Re: Coco Coir vs Horse Poo [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #14262887 - 04/09/11 12:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

still just a hypothesis until its proven not to be and in this case its not ... i too am an old hand ... i dont need a tc tag to validate my knowledge ... i wouldnt be sitting here arguing this with RR of all ppl if i was still ignorant in my cultivation knowledge ... i still pull advice from the dudes post but im not going to hang on his every word ... sometimes these "TC's" and "Old Hands" let their egos get in the way of their better judgment ... 

and funnily enough i do keep my jars in the dark as do i my tubs ... but that is a hypothesis i am working on myself having to do with "sudden trigger introduction" ... i have a hypothesisthat completely omitting ambient light from its early life-cycle intensifies the benefits of light as a pinning trigger when it comes to fruiting ... but thats my belief and my hypothesis so i dont go around telling people that its the gospel ...

as for this thread in particular , theres no doubt coir is a great substrate to grow on but in comparison to hpoo , no contest ... as i said before i like utilizing them both 50/50 ... and until i have some better and more consistent data telling me why i should omit my manure compounds i will continue to do so ... to each their own i guess ...


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Re: Coco Coir vs Horse Poo [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14262891 - 04/09/11 12:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Here is the flat truth of it.. My coir tubs will and do out perform most poo grows.. I mean when I can pull 7-9oz dry from first flush MS on a 10gallon tub then I think I will stick to coir !!




plus, no doodoo.. hahaha.. eww

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You're looking mighty fine in that scarf todlow.  :hehehe:

j/k dude...    :rockon:




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Here is the flat truth of it.. My coir tubs will and do out perform most poo grows.. I mean when I can pull 7-9oz dry from first flush MS on a 10gallon tub then I think I will stick to coir !!



:picdidnthappen: lol. Wait, I have some...



That's using Damion5050's Coir tek to the T (I didn't even add gypsum to the boiling water, just in the grain soak) They're 1:1 ratio PE6. 4 of those tubs = 1 mono tub. I got 10-1/2 oz cracker dry off the first flush.




same way I prep mine.. no different.. except i dont add the gypsum, either..

whats even better, is I followed Damion's tek to the T, as well, WITH bricks from the hydro shop.. never a green meanie spotted.. :smile:


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Re: Coco Coir vs Horse Poo [Re: Damion5050]
    #14262895 - 04/09/11 12:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Here is the flat truth of it.. My coir tubs will and do out perform most poo grows.. I mean when I can pull 7-9oz dry from first flush MS on a 10gallon tub then I think I will stick to coir !!



Man I get the same flushes whether I use coir or manure or a mix of the both.  Flush and yeild size are more determined by environment and climate, as well as, genetics (MS, iso, clone, ect).


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Re: Coco Coir vs Horse Poo [Re: cyantific]
    #14262899 - 04/09/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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still just a hypothesis until its proven not to be and in this case its not ... i too am an old hand ... i dont need a tc tag to validate my knowledge ... i wouldnt be sitting here arguing this with RR of all ppl if i was still ignorant in my cultivation knowledge ... i still pull advice from the dudes post but im not going to hang on his every word ... sometimes these "TC's" and "Old Hands" let their egos get in the way of their better judgment ... 

and funnily enough i do keep my jars in the dark as do i my tubs ... but that is a hypothesis i am working on myself having to do with "sudden trigger introduction" ... i have a hypothesisthat completely omitting ambient light from its early life-cycle intensifies the benefits of light as a pinning trigger when it comes to fruiting ... but thats my belief and my hypothesis so i dont go around telling people that its the gospel ...

as for this thread in particular , theres no doubt coir is a great substrate to grow on but in comparison to hpoo , no contest ... as i said before i like utilizing them both 50/50 ... and until i have some better and more consistent data telling me why i should omit my manure compounds i will continue to do so ... to each their own i guess ...




just search for coir grow logs, and you will see plenty of reason.. thats why I stopped.. no doodoo, easy prep, works and flushes just as well as any poo grow i have ever done..

in the end, its all up to you.. use what you want.. as long as you get mushies, it doesnt matter..

im stickin with my coco tho.. lol


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Re: Coco Coir vs Horse Poo [Re: hamloaf]
    #14262902 - 04/09/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well my KSS iso was the best thing ever I would get right near 10-12oz per first flush cracker dry.. But the culture was lost in a move..  :frown:


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Re: Coco Coir vs Horse Poo [Re: Damion5050]
    #14262903 - 04/09/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Here is the flat truth of it.. My coir tubs will and do out perform most poo grows.. I mean when I can pull 7-9oz dry from first flush MS on a 10gallon tub then I think I will stick to coir !!




MS can still come through with good sub-strains ... just means you got a good draw from your syringe ... to say the coir was responsible for the whole grow is nonsensical ...


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Re: Coco Coir vs Horse Poo [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #14262907 - 04/09/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Flush and yeild size are more determined by environment and climate, as well as, genetics (MS, iso, clone, ect).




then why dont BRF cakes flush like coir or poo? :smile:


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Re: Coco Coir vs Horse Poo [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #14262914 - 04/09/11 12:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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to say the coir was responsible for the whole grow is nonsensical




then why use a different sub at all? lets all just grow on brf cakes and cased WBS.. hahaha..

if substrate doesnt have anything to do with it, then why even use a bulk sub?


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Re: Coco Coir vs Horse Poo [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #14262926 - 04/09/11 12:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Flush and yeild size are more determined by environment and climate, as well as, genetics (MS, iso, clone, ect).




then why dont BRF cakes flush like coir or poo? :smile:




Speaking strictly in ratios they do. I'd bet if you did the exact same amount of BRF jars & coir tubs, you'd find that they produced the same. But why would I do that when that many BRF jars would take up a ton of space vs. 1 mono tub? Besides, I feel doing grain is easier. Just a little more expensive @ the beginning, due to having to buy a PC.

My first bulk grow I used a brick of coir from the hydro shop & it worked fine, but there was no trich added. I went to pet coir, because it's cheaper by like $1.50 a brick...


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Re: Coco Coir vs Horse Poo [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14262949 - 04/09/11 12:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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then why dont BRF cakes flush like coir or poo?




i kinda meant in a taunting way.. i just meant the cakes in general.. lol..

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I went to pet coir, because it's cheaper by like $1.50 a brick...




duddddeee.. where did you find that? basically, out here, hydro shop coir = $3 (and even cheaper when bought in bulk), but the pet store coir = ~$6

dynamite of a deal, i have to say.. i would be a shareholder in that pet store.. haha

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Besides, I feel doing grain is easier. Just a little more expensive @ the beginning, due to having to buy a PC.




yeah.. but the cool thing is, when you get a PC, its not a unitasker.. you can sterilize tools, grains, jars, etc etc etc.. and it pretty much pays for itself the first time you tell your buddies "You get the beer and bbq, and Ill supply some mushies." lol.. although, you would probably want someone not frying hella hard to man the Q.. haha


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    #14262966 - 04/09/11 12:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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to say the coir was responsible for the whole grow is nonsensical




then why use a different sub at all? lets all just grow on brf cakes and cased WBS.. hahaha..

if substrate doesnt have anything to do with it, then why even use a bulk sub?




man you keep taking what i say and making it your own statement ... no doubt substrate maters , but a good culture is gold and in my opinion much more important than whether you grow off hpoo or coir ...to sit there and say the coir did it ! the coir did it ! is stupid , plain and simple ...


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Re: Coco Coir vs Horse Poo [Re: cyantific]
    #14262982 - 04/09/11 12:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

1 birck of coir @ the hydro shop = $3

3 bricks of coir @ the pet store = $6 (gonna get a price on a case of that shit soon too)

The owner of the pet store is a cocksucker though...

yea, PCs are great. You can cook in them too! :rotfl:


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Re: Coco Coir vs Horse Poo [Re: cyantific]
    #14262984 - 04/09/11 12:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

By your coir from Dr fosters online store, its like 6.99 for a 3 brick pack and they have flat rate shipping of 5 bucks..  So you can order as much as you want and it will only cost you 5 dollars to ship..


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Re: Coco Coir vs Horse Poo [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14262994 - 04/09/11 12:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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By your coir from Dr fosters online store, its like 6.99 for a 3 brick pack and they have flat rate shipping of 5 bucks..  So you can order as much as you want and it will only cost you 5 dollars to ship..





SOLD!! bookmarking now.. gracias..

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1 birck of coir @ the hydro shop = $3

3 bricks of coir @ the pet store = $6 (gonna get a price on a case of that shit soon too)

The owner of the pet store is a cocksucker though...

yea, PCs are great. You can cook in them too! :rotfl:




yeah.. no such deals like that here.. totally going with internet ordering.. haha.. especially with a 5 buck flat shipping rate.. cant miss with that..


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Re: Coco Coir vs Horse Poo [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14263016 - 04/09/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not gonna lie, I didn't bother to read through the past 6 pages of this, I'm just here to throw in my answer :smile:

I think they're both equally good, and that coir has its advantages because it's easy to get and, well, it didn't come out of a horse's ass. I've had excellent results from straight coir, excellent results from straight poo, and excellent results from a poo coir mix. I think it really just depends on the constraints of the grower.

Personally, I prefer a poo/coir mix, usually about 60% poo and 40% coir. My reasons for this are because I read a post by RR saying how mushrooms prefer a complex substrate (I have no idea if this is scientifically true or not, but it made sense), and whenever I've done a poo/coir mix the tubs have smelled delicious. I'm not sure that smell is as an indicator of substrate health or not, but since it smelled so damn good I figured something good must be going on in there. The APE tub in my sig was from a poo/coir mix, and those results are enough for me to keep mixing both in my future grows. Plus, I just think it's more fun to do a mix, lol.:grin:


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Re: Coco Coir vs Horse Poo [Re: Sanguine]
    #14263028 - 04/09/11 12:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

apparantly hes forsaken the complex substrate stance ...

i also use the same poo/coir mix 60/40 ~ 50/50 sometimes depending on the density of the poo ...

those are some nice APE btw ...


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Re: Coco Coir vs Horse Poo [Re: Sanguine]
    #14263040 - 04/09/11 01:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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whenever I've done a poo/coir mix the tubs have smelled delicious




now, thats just nasty..  :puke:  lol


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    #14263041 - 04/09/11 01:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Ive been here for going on 8 years under 3 different ids , long enough to see you flip and flop your stances on several different aspects of cultivation more than a few times , citing your "personal experiences" as concrete data each time ... i guess ill just wait another year until you change your mind about this as well ...





Interesting.

It appears you're saying that as someone learns more about a science that his opinion and advice should not change.  In other words, continue to give the same advice as one did ten years ago in order not to 'flip-flop'.

Sorry, but I'm not a flat-earther, and as my knowledge base increases, I'll pass along those things I've learned through experience.  Mushroom growing is a rapidly developing science, unlike plants which have been cultivated for thousands of years.  I have no doubt that ten years from now I'll be handing out advice that's different from what I say now. You're welcome to disregard it.
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Flat earther?  :laugh2:  Never heard that term before, that cracks me up.....I will add that to my vocab, thank you....


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