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psily



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Water-fasting before a trip? How about a ketogenic diet?
#14255912 - 04/07/11 09:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've read all the threads with the word fasting in it and was pleasantly surprised that many people here look favorably on water-fasting (in comparison with the outside world where folks are largely ignorant of its benefits for mental and physical health). Sooo..
I see that most people here fast before tripping, even if it's just a few hours. I too have always fasted 6-24 hrs before any trip, usually ~18. But now I am interested in longer fasts, at least 3 days, preferably a week, maybe even longer. I saw a mention that natives fast for a week before a traditional ceremony. Is it so? Who has done something similar? Would you please share your experience? Or please point me where I can read about it.
I've done my research and know a lot about the metabolism of water fasting (by the way, it means ingesting only water, not abstaining from water, as some assumed, lol). Now I am interested in combining long-term water fasting with mushrooms. I anticipate it to be a truly transforming experience.
Your thoughts?
PS Who here is on a ketogenic diet? Could you share how such a diet affected your experience?
Thank you!
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Re: Water-fasting before a trip? How about a ketogenic diet? [Re: psily]
#14256052 - 04/07/11 10:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I always fast 6 to 8 hours. No more. Eat some small amounts if fruit and drink water. I don't know why fasting for longer would change the experience (if someone could elaborate). However I work out a bit as I fast which makes the experience usually more positive then just fasting and the come up shorter before your
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Re: Water-fasting before a trip? How about a ketogenic diet? [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
#14256182 - 04/07/11 10:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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AbstraKt_I_Am said: I don't know why fasting for longer would change the experience (if someone could elaborate).
Fasting for longer than a week will put you in ketosis, which should affect your experience. Fasts shorter than that will still leave your brain operating on glucose (unless they are 'dry' fasts, which should make you transition sooner).
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Re: Water-fasting before a trip? How about a ketogenic diet? [Re: psily]
#14256246 - 04/07/11 10:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Fast for 6-8 hrs also...
Rituals for aborignals were important, but they also did a lot of things which I would not do... Fasting and staying awake till delirium sets in... Sun dance... Etc
Should we mention the urine ceremonies following shaman ingestion of amanitas?
Basically, if it works for you... Go with it. But, don't expect everyone else to jump on your band wagon....
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Re: Water-fasting before a trip? How about a ketogenic diet? [Re: psily]
#14256251 - 04/07/11 10:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Would you please go into detail a little about keosis and the difference of having your brain not run on gluecose. I hate to ask since its not really fitting with your OP but my only means of interenet is a slow smart phone.
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Re: Water-fasting before a trip? How about a ketogenic diet? [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
#14256465 - 04/07/11 11:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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There are 2 modes of metabolism: based on glucose and on ketones. Normally it's glucose. When we fast on water only (no juices or honey nor syrup and such), after 2-3 days we transition to ketosis. Ketones are are partially oxidized fatty acids made by the liver from breakdown of fat. Then it takes 3-5 days for these ketones to reach a level where they easily penetrate into the brain, from which point on it starts getting about 1/3 of its energy from them. In about another week, the level of ketones gets even higher and they provide about 2/3 energy for the brain, the rest still being glucose.
This metabolic state is called ketosis. It is characterized by exceptionally clear thinking and is often accompanied by euphoria (and is said to facilitate ecstatic religious states).
That's why I was curious if anyone had actually fasted that long before a trip to experience it.
On a ketogenic diet one is constantly in a mild ketosis. I would think that, being in ketosis already, one would not need to fast long before a trip. Then fasting for 8-10 hours should give a level of ketosis that otherwise would require more than a week-long fast. In theory at least. I have not done it myself.
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Edited by psily (04/08/11 08:13 PM)
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Re: Water-fasting before a trip? How about a ketogenic diet? [Re: psily]
#14256496 - 04/08/11 12:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I fast for only the day of my trip, and only for the practical purpose of avoiding nausea.
I'll wake up early (10am is early for me ) and eat a light breakfast of grains and fruits so that my body has the energy to do the trip. I stay hydrated because... well my brain just feels like it works a lot better when it's hydrated. Also, I tend to avoid ingesting anything while I'm tripping because it makes my gut feel weird, so there is about 6 hours where I'm NOT drinking water and I want to be well hydrated before this.
I spend the day cleaning my space, meditating, etc. And then I'll trip at night and usually get done around 4-5am if I'm tripping on mushrooms.
Tripping on an empty stomach just makes me feel a lot lighter and allows me to handle the body load a lot more easily. But once I've come down enough I am FAMISHED and will usually try to have some carb/protein heavy meal ready beforehand.
I really don't know anything about fasting for longer periods of time, but I would be very careful about trying it. Just because "the shamans/yogis/monks do it" doesn't mean that it's safe.
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Re: Water-fasting before a trip? How about a ketogenic diet? [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
#14277317 - 04/12/11 10:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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So, no-one ever long-term fasted before a trip? Maybe heard of it somewhere?
How about ketogenic dieters? Were your trips different while on the diet?
Anybody?
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Re: Water-fasting before a trip? How about a ketogenic diet? [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
#14277497 - 04/12/11 11:26 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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the longer you fast the less energy your body/mind spend digesting/eliminating food.
it just gets you more fucked up....
an addict will do anything!
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Re: Water-fasting before a trip? How about a ketogenic diet? [Re: psily]
#23241605 - 05/18/16 11:12 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I know this is old but I would love to know more on this.
I have been doing intermittent fasting for 3+ years and throwing in 2-3 day fasts every few months and am quite adapted to it.
The diet that most closely resembles my lifestyle when eating is ketogenic as well. Eat lots of healthy fats, medium amount of protein, main carbs are from fruit and under 25g/day with No processed foods. I have been testing out micro dosing while working fasted (programming) and have had great results so far( .25g in ground up pill form taken with citrus tea). It has now been proven you can stay in ketosis without having to fast for extended periods of time with very low carb/ intermittent fasting, however I could definitely see extended fasting giving changes in the high.
Right now I am on day 2 of a water fast and was interested in trying a higher dose on my last day (going to micro dose .5g today while working) then breaking the fast at the end of the trip with a vegetable smoothy to best replenish the mind/body. Would people recommend taking the higher dosage with something like coconut oil to really get the body kick started when ingested.
Has anyone tried long term fasting with Psilocybin? or have good links to how the natives did it? I love learning different methods
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Re: Water-fasting before a trip? How about a ketogenic diet? [Re: uniseeker]
#23241924 - 05/18/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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uniseeker said: I know this is old but I would love to know more on this.
I have been doing intermittent fasting for 3+ years and throwing in 2-3 day fasts every few months and am quite adapted to it.
The diet that most closely resembles my lifestyle when eating is ketogenic as well. Eat lots of healthy fats, medium amount of protein, main carbs are from fruit and under 25g/day with No processed foods. I have been testing out micro dosing while working fasted (programming) and have had great results so far( .25g in ground up pill form taken with citrus tea). It has now been proven you can stay in ketosis without having to fast for extended periods of time with very low carb/ intermittent fasting, however I could definitely see extended fasting giving changes in the high.
Right now I am on day 2 of a water fast and was interested in trying a higher dose on my last day (going to micro dose .5g today while working) then breaking the fast at the end of the trip with a vegetable smoothy to best replenish the mind/body. Would people recommend taking the higher dosage with something like coconut oil to really get the body kick started when ingested.
Has anyone tried long term fasting with Psilocybin? or have good links to how the natives did it? I love learning different methods
I did a 3 day water only once and it was really interesting. Didn't take anything after but I think it would be enhanced a good bit if you did.
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