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Re: lsd tek that is known to work? [Re: German Kahuna]
    #14258409 - 04/08/11 12:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Lol :facepalm:

I guess you're one of the people stuck in the past then. I never said, or inferred that LSD was something you can just make if you're bored and decide to take a trip to the hardware store and buy some chemicals.

Obviously it takes lab equipment. Obviously it takes some skill in chemistry. But it doesn't take someone with years and years of experience and a degree in organic chemistry like everyone thinks.

I'm not sure what I said to bug you, all I said was it's not as hard as it used to be, meaning, the methods have changed, and have been made better and with less steps, over time.

It was fuckin 1938 when it was first synthesized, it's 2011 now.. Come on, you have to be an idiot to think things couldn't have been modified by now.

I know of RCs that are harder to synth than LSD.

MDMA is easy as shit to make now compared to older methods, why is that same situation not possible with LSD?


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Re: lsd tek that is known to work? [Re: Eminence]
    #14258422 - 04/08/11 12:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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frylock91 said:
Obviously it takes some skill in chemistry.




guess where skill in chemistry and the knowledge of how to properly preform chemical reactions using rather complex lab equipment in a safe manner without producing toxic products from side reactions comes from.

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Re: lsd tek that is known to work? [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14258445 - 04/08/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah I know, college right? You don't need to be in college to know things about chemistry anyway. Some people can learn a fair amount by their own research, it wouldn't give them hands on experience though.

So I guess you're also missing my point. My point is not that anyone can make it, just that it shouldn't still be thought of as an impossible task like it has been thought of.

TOTAL synthesis is hard as shit to go through with, but with the right starting materials the process isn't that complicated.

The only problem is getting the right materials.


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Re: lsd tek that is known to work? [Re: Eminence] * 2
    #14258484 - 04/08/11 12:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Is the fact that the synthesis is now so much easier the reason why I have been able to buy a book (10 x a 100 sheet) in the US for $500 (yes, that's 50 cents a hit) on every street corner back in the 80's and people are having a hard time finding it today, even though any jackass is basically capable of cooking it?
Just because you read Uncle Fester's cook books and Tikhal doesn't make you an authority on psychedelic chemistry, seriously.
And don't give me the "today we can simply use morning glory instead of ergot" bullshit. That's a punk source for ergotamine. The LSA content in ergot is 10 times higher. And it doesn't make the LSD synthesis easier as such.
I really want to see someone who doesn't even know what ergot is to follow through with this:
http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal26.shtml

EL-OH-EL

Anyways, I don't even know why I am arguing with you in a retarded "What's a good LSD making tek" thread full of fail. The OP couldn't even tell a Bunsen Burner from a lit fart, so what's the bloody point in encouraging him to blow his parents' house up?


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Re: lsd tek that is known to work? [Re: German Kahuna]
    #14258489 - 04/08/11 01:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

By the way you have no clue how many people are synthesizing LSD. What's ludicrous is saying it's a fact that only a few dozen people on Earth are capable of making it or are making it.

I'm pretty sure if someone's making LSD they're not gonna talk about it.


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Re: lsd tek that is known to work? [Re: Eminence]
    #14258504 - 04/08/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I am not saying that only a few dozen people on earth are capable of doing it. What I am saying is that the before mentioned few are the only ones doing it commercially, because it is a difficult synthesis and not worth the trouble to most people. It's not like growing a few bushes of weed or cultivating some shrooms.
You see, economy works like this: Demand creates supply. So why is it that I see people everywhere asking for acid while none is available? Since it's obviously so easy to make, why isn't it available much even though people would buy it left and right?


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Re: lsd tek that is known to work? [Re: Eminence]
    #14258516 - 04/08/11 01:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

its not that complicated if you know what youre doing, youre right.

and if you dont know if a "tek" is going to actually work or not chances are you dont know what youre doing. knowing what youre doing more often than not comes from lab experience at college, which is coupled with an in depth class which explains why what youre doing happens.

someone who is actually capable of synthesizing LSD is probably knowledgeable enough to do it on their own, they dont need a "tek". its not like cooking up meth where you can just toss some shit in a bottle, shake it up, salt the product out, and filter it.

i will admit im kind of inserting myself into a conversation already underway, and im ignoring some context (ie: the dialogue between you and german kahuna). but what im getting at is that the OP is thinking he is going to do something when i can tell right off the bat that he wont be able to do it.

you cant just toss a random guy with all the reactants, equipment, and a "tek" in a lab and expect him to get even remotely close to having LSD as a product.


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Re: lsd tek that is known to work? [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14258522 - 04/08/11 01:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for summarizing it, SLJ. You said it with a few words. I just couldn't believe that he'd be encouraging those "tell me a good LSD tek!" efforts. :facepalm:


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Re: lsd tek that is known to work? [Re: German Kahuna]
    #14258529 - 04/08/11 01:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

LSD synthesis also requires a great deal of photochemistry, which is simply beyond your average enthusiast.  You would need significant lab equipment in order to pull it off.  You would even need more lab equipment (HNMR, IR, C13 NMR, MS) to verify that it is indeed LSD.  I wouldn't drop a tab with some crystal shit on it I made without knowing the purity or even what it is.  Would you?


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Re: lsd tek that is known to work? [Re: M11]
    #14258539 - 04/08/11 01:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You are talking to me? Hell no, I wouldn't! Certainly not if it was cooked by Angel418.


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Re: lsd tek that is known to work? [Re: German Kahuna]
    #14258558 - 04/08/11 01:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Another issue would be enantiomeric purity.  You could have the right molecular formula and such, but the molecule could have stereo-centers with different "left and right handedness" if you will.  In other words, a pair of molecules could be composed of the same atoms in the same order, but they could differ with their arrangements in three dimensional space.  This would produce bunk LSD.  I am pretty sure that LSD has stereo-centers.  This opens up more issues.


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Re: lsd tek that is known to work? [Re: German Kahuna]
    #14258594 - 04/08/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well again I'm not saying it's so easy to make, just that people shouldn't still think it's the hardest thing ever to make.

I've gotten some watched chemicals online before for non drug purposes, so I know that's possible, so some of the chemicals are obtainable. And I know getting lysergic acid is a different story though.

I'm saying starting from the very beginning of the synthesis is very hard, yes,  but with the right starting materials, it's only a few steps, and easier than other synthesis.

But I hear a lot of people talking about how they can't get MDMA either, and that drug is very easy to make. So it could also be legal reasons for people not making it, maybe people don't wanna risk life in prison over it. Or maybe there's a lot of people that are capable of making it, but don't want to spend all the money on doing it.

So basically what I'm saying is, it's not something anyone can do, but the synthesis have definitely been simplified over time. That's all.


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Re: lsd tek that is known to work? [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14258604 - 04/08/11 01:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah you're right about that. But I wasn't really inferring specifically to OP. I was really just making a general statement responding to him making it seem like an impossible task and grouping OP in with any other person that wouldn't be able to do it. I just worded it wrong.


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Re: lsd tek that is known to work? [Re: German Kahuna]
    #14258619 - 04/08/11 01:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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German Kahuna said:
Thanks for summarizing it, SLJ. You said it with a few words. I just couldn't believe that he'd be encouraging those "tell me a good LSD tek!" efforts. :facepalm:




Like I said to SLJ just now, I wasn't really encouraging OP. I didn't even see the comment where he didn't know what ergot was when I made the comment.

I was just stating something to the guy about how it's not as hard as it's been portrayed over time. It was just a general statement, not specifically about OP, that I worded wrong.

Edit: And I already know Uncle Fester is a shitty source of information, and I know morning glories aren't a great source for Lysergic acid, I never said it was, I already know ergot is the way to go.

I'm not portraying myself as some expert on chemistry, I don't need to be an expert to know that things can change and simplify within 73 years.



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Re: lsd tek that is known to work? [Re: Eminence]
    #14258635 - 04/08/11 01:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I agree actually.  As far as organic synthesis goes, making LSD isn't super difficult.  It obviously can be done.  But it takes a strong chemistry background and some serious lab skills/equipment.  I also would agree that the synthesis has probably simplified over the past 30 years. 

I really wonder where all the LSD on the streets comes from now days.  It would take some serious balls and brains to synthesize that shit and get away with it.


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Re: lsd tek that is known to work? [Re: M11]
    #14258661 - 04/08/11 01:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Some dude called Casey Hardison had an LSD lab in his house in the UK, here's the pic..



Nick Sand was caught running an underground LSD  lab in 1996.. here's a little video about it!



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Re: lsd tek that is known to work? [Re: microdotty]
    #14258724 - 04/08/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

that smile he had on his face at the end of the interview is amazing.

it sucks he went to jail, but its great that he did that. a true hero.

im somewhat disappointed in his inability to multiply 10 million by 14 though...


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Re: lsd tek that is known to work? [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14258912 - 04/08/11 02:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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im somewhat disappointed in his inability to multiply 10 million by 14 though...




:ahahaha: i was thinking that... a brilliant LSD chemist that can't even do a simple sum.... Makes you wonder how the hell he learnt to make LSD when he can't even multiply 10 by 14.....


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Re: lsd tek that is known to work? [Re: microdotty]
    #14258981 - 04/08/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Very cool clip! Surprised I haven't seen that one on NatGeo before, as it's one of my "go-to" channels lol.

"Let's see...(mumbling mental calculations)...what's 14 times 10 million? Uhhh, umm..hmmm, well it's a very large number."

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Re: lsd tek that is known to work? [Re: Boozie]
    #14259251 - 04/08/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Boozie said:
Very cool clip! Surprised I haven't seen that one on NatGeo before, as it's one of my "go-to" channels lol.

"Let's see...(mumbling mental calculations)...what's 14 times 10 million? Uhhh, umm..hmmm, well it's a very large number."

:dumblol:




Maybe he was just playing stupid?  Or he was tripping and was having an overwhelming moment?


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