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Are you a theist/atheist ?
#14254786 - 04/07/11 06:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just getting a feel for people. Kind of curious.
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Re: Are you a theist/atheist ? [Re: oxalic32]
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I have strong theistic tendencies despite thinking that there is no deity of any sort. 
I voted theist.
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Re: Are you a theist/atheist ? [Re: Kickle]
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i don't really consider myself part of the theist/atheist thang
to me it's like asking what is my political party... Green? libertarian? do I really need to choose one? Can't I just vote on the issues?
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Re: Are you a theist/atheist ? [Re: the bizzle]
#14258019 - 04/08/11 11:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm a pantheist, so God = nature. That can also be reversed, of course, making me an atheist (nature = God).
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Re: Are you a theist/atheist ? [Re: NetDiver]
#14258103 - 04/08/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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What do you choose if you kinda think this is all a big computer sim of some kind?
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Re: Are you a theist/atheist ? [Re: Cups]
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I just 'am.'
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Re: Are you a theist/atheist ? [Re: Envix]
#14259811 - 04/08/11 05:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I agree that this is kind of a simulation. I've noticed that very distinctly on my trips, that I am a program running, and the programming is the nature of my unconscious, and all matter is densified consciousness or information.
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Re: Are you a theist/atheist ? [Re: Manicman]
#14260133 - 04/08/11 06:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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label me a believer
theism or monotheism is the way for me!!
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Did 'other' but I'm more of an 'athiest', just that the concept of athiesm has been derailed. To say I'm an athiest (which I am), ignorant folk will take to mean that I believe in nothing.
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Re: Are you a theist/atheist ? [Re: oxalic32]
#14260755 - 04/08/11 09:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Whats the difference between them? I do not believe in god, but does that make me atheist, theist, agnostic or other?
I went for I dont know.
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doctordarkmatter said: Whats the difference between them? I do not believe in god, but does that make me atheist, theist, agnostic or other?
I went for I dont know.
Theists believe in a god Atheists do not Agnostics aren't sure...though IMO that makes them Atheists as well, because they lack belief.
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Re: Are you a theist/atheist ? [Re: blewmeanie]
#14261259 - 04/08/11 11:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Theists believe in a god Atheists do not Agnostics aren't sure...though IMO that makes them Atheists as well, because they lack belief.
Pretty much. You can be spiritual or even religious and still be an athiest. I have a 'concept' which I label God, but do not believe in any sort of deity. That makes me an athiest, among other things...
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Re: Are you a theist/atheist ? [Re: ahchela]
#14262007 - 04/09/11 07:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Would I be a theist or an atheist if I believe God is both everything and nothing?
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Re: Are you a theist/atheist ? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#14262083 - 04/09/11 07:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm going to stick to Atheism on this one. If there is any form of a creator then it had to come into existence somewhere along the lines by some means. This just creates a never ending golden ratio. So its pretty safe to say that there is nothing that is divine, just not currently understandable. Atheist deny the existence of a deity. A deity is nothing more than a supernatural immortal divine being. So being atheist doesn't necessary mean you deny the existence of a creator or method of creation. Agnosticism differs from my beliefs by adhering to the belief that certain things just can't be known, and thus the existence of a deity can not be fully believed in but it also can not be ruled out.
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Re: Are you a theist/atheist ? [Re: Obey]
#14262105 - 04/09/11 08:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yep, definitely not understandable from the physical reality point of view. All of our science and understanding is based on causality (cause and effect). But that implies that there must be some type of mystical (acsual) beginning to it all - a first cause or uncaused cause. This doesn't make sense. I think our reality seems to be a sphere, or subsystem, within a larger system.
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Re: Are you a theist/atheist ? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#14262203 - 04/09/11 08:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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c0sm0nautt said: Yep, definitely not understandable from the physical reality point of view. All of our science and understanding is based on causality (cause and effect). But that implies that there must be some type of mystical (acsual) beginning to it all - a first cause or uncaused cause. This doesn't make sense. I think our reality seems to be a sphere, or subsystem, within a larger system.
Every microcosm is a macrocosm within a microcosm.
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Re: Are you a theist/atheist ? [Re: Obey]
#14262299 - 04/09/11 09:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Obey said: A deity is nothing more than a supernatural immortal divine being.
LoL if you met one you probably would not be so nonchalant
I like to think of Agnostics as gamblers the dice has not stopped rolling for them
And atheists are Agnostics who have not been shown enough to stop spinning their dice!!
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Forever White Belt said:
LoL if you met one you probably would not be so nonchalant
sry next time ill try to sound like i'm excited about something that has absolutely 0% chance of happening.
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Re: Are you a theist/atheist ? [Re: Obey]
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Obey said: I'm going to stick to Atheism on this one. If there is any form of a creator then it had to come into existence somewhere along the lines by some means. This just creates a never ending golden ratio. So its pretty safe to say that there is nothing that is divine, just not currently understandable. Atheist deny the existence of a deity. A deity is nothing more than a supernatural immortal divine being. So being atheist doesn't necessary mean you deny the existence of a creator or method of creation. Agnosticism differs from my beliefs by adhering to the belief that certain things just can't be known, and thus the existence of a deity can not be fully believed in but it also can not be ruled out.

creation itself is the creator
you are creator. i am creator
if you are alive, you are creator. if you are having an experience, you are creating it
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Re: Are you a theist/atheist ? [Re: ahchela]
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c0sm0nautt said: Yep, definitely not understandable from the physical reality point of view. All of our science and understanding is based on causality (cause and effect). But that implies that there must be some type of mystical (acsual) beginning to it all - a first cause or uncaused cause. This doesn't make sense. I think our reality seems to be a sphere, or subsystem, within a larger system.
Every microcosm is a macrocosm within a microcosm.

Yea, it does seem to be fractal in nature.
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Re: Are you a theist/atheist ? [Re: c0sm0nautt] 1
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Re: Are you a theist/atheist ? [Re: oxalic32]
#14263270 - 04/09/11 02:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I am Gandalf, and Gandalf means ME!
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Re: Are you a theist/atheist ? [Re: oxalic32]
#14263288 - 04/09/11 02:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'd say theist, except a lot of ignorant people have all kinds of limited preconceptions about what that entails.
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Re: Are you a theist/atheist ? [Re: Silversoul]
#14263362 - 04/09/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thats just it,everyones beliefs are slightly different,From one anothers,even in the "same school of thought" . Rather it be religion, Politics, etc.
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Re: Are you a theist/atheist ? [Re: 2jew4u]
#14263377 - 04/09/11 02:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Is that a bad thing?
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Re: Are you a theist/atheist ? [Re: Kickle] 1
#14263399 - 04/09/11 03:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Kickle said: Is that a bad thing?
It is when people try and kill the disbelievers.
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Re: Are you a theist/atheist ? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#14263403 - 04/09/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Kickle said: Is that a bad thing?
It is when people try and kill the disbelievers. 
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Re: Are you a theist/atheist ? [Re: Obey]
#14263429 - 04/09/11 03:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lol- Wasn't promoting that- Now sending them to the gulag is a different story.... 
Was just saying that how can you classify you self to a definition, without agreeing with all of it premise.
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Re: Are you a theist/atheist ? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#14263452 - 04/09/11 03:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Kickle said: Is that a bad thing?
It is when people try and kill the disbelievers. 
Like the death penalty?

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Re: Are you a theist/atheist ? [Re: 2jew4u]
#14263454 - 04/09/11 03:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Was just saying that how can you classify you self to a definition, without agreeing with all of it premise.
well to be honest its pretty straight forward. Atheist say that deity's don't exist, Theists believe they do, and agnostics say its impossible to tell. It's all a question of weather or not you believe that the idea of divinity exists. Personally i adhere to the idea that nothing is divine so that lumps me in with atheist, although i do believe in taoist philosophy it doesn't change the fact that by definition i'm still atheist.
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Re: Are you a theist/atheist ? [Re: Obey]
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agnostics then, B/c it goes back to definition, and things that you attribute to them. Science is the new "god" divinity is just attributed to things that cannot be comprehended. What about Alien theory, such as either beings made us, or we evolved from alien beings that came here, or was brought here by asteroids or what ever. B/c humans have created synthetic life in cells, would that make the Scientist divine Gods?(Only a hand full of scientist can do it). By definition since they are the "creators" of life that would make them God?
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Re: Are you a theist/atheist ? [Re: Kickle]
#14263517 - 04/09/11 03:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Kickle said: Like the death penalty?
It's even more interesting when you think about it like that.
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Re: Are you a theist/atheist ? [Re: 2jew4u]
#14263523 - 04/09/11 03:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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My grandmother said she thinks god might live on another planet.
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Re: Are you a theist/atheist ? [Re: 2jew4u]
#14263560 - 04/09/11 03:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Science is nothing more than the pursuit of empirical knowledge. If somebody happens to be atheist or agnostic and bases most of their knowledge upon empirical data, it doesn't mean that they consider their "god" to be science. I would say that god and deity are the same by idea and definition. Even believing in alien theory doesn't mean that you are theist. I believe that the words god and creator should be considered separate when debating the semantics over divinity.
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Re: Are you a theist/atheist ? [Re: Obey]
#14263570 - 04/09/11 03:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Science is nothing more than the pursuit of empirical knowledge.
And it doesn't suggest anything about the beliefs of the one pursuing that knowledge.
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Re: Are you a theist/atheist ? [Re: Kickle]
#14263717 - 04/09/11 04:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sure, it suggests that they're curious about the world and self aware enough to acknowledge when they don't know something.
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