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 PsiloKitten
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 FUCK the soldiers 
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http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/04/02/1048962796085.html
And fuck any of you who wanted this war...
And fuck any of you who explain this away...
May their blood lie upon your fucking hands.
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Fuck the people who start a second thread on a subject when the first thread is only a line or two away.
And perhaps the driver of the van shouldn't have attempted to drive through the checkpoint without stopping.
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And fuck the people who dont realize this link is to an entirely different article that is entirely more detailed and alot less fucking sanitized.
Oh and maybe you can tell me how much you would understand someone shouting at you in fucking arabic... just like you expected a family that was trying to flee to safety, people who thought wearing their best pin striped suit would make them seem more "american", people who probably dont know how to read their own language... you tell me how the fuck they were responsible for this
Were there explosives, guns, ammo, anthrax, anything.. found in their vehicle underneath the dead heads of their children?
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fuck those soldiers. they are truly pieces of shit.
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And fuck the people who don't realize it's the same article that's been on most of the news sites already.
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Has it been posted here***edited by Rono***
I didnt post it on most of the other news sites, did I? I posted it here.. so fuck you too.
I guess you will want to tell me that it was these people's own fault for having the audacity to want to eat.
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What's the matter? Not getting any?
It's still the same story only it appears to be your cause of the day.
Nothing better than a "classy" woman to start the day off with a laugh.
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I guess you will want to tell me that it was these people's own fault for having the audacity to want to eat.
Seems they started their diet a day late.
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Oh how witty you are.. what a smart man, next would you like to ask me if Im PMSing? God, how pathetic. You people cant even attack with something substancial, you resort to the childishness you always do. Judging by the amount of time you spend here posting nonsensical dribble with your 3000 posts, maybe I should ask you if its just a way to consume the large amount of time YOU spend not getting any.
I posted this story here because ***edited by Rono***you should read it. You may wish to hide behind your war but ill be damned if Ill let you.
This isnt my cause of the day, this is real life, ***edited by Rono***
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***edited by Rono***
And I have no desire to know, or speculate about your bodily funtions.
And I have read the story, both here and on news sites and the paper.
I can't help the fact you're too lazy to read the other post here before you make your oh so rightously indignant post without seeing the other.
So go back to your cause of the day.
Oh yeah, there is nothing at all sacred about mushrooms or any other drug. If you wish to claim your drug use is to "enlighten" yourself, feel free. I'm honest enough to admit that they're strictly a way to have fun.
Anyway, feel free to post another classy response, but I'm off to do something a little more productive. ***edited by Rono***
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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So again I ask you,
WHERE WAS THIS ARTICLE POSTED ON THE SHROOMERY?
Dont even bother answering that, because it wasnt. I read the sanitized version about a armed force statement on killing a fucking family linked to a GUARDIAN article. Where exactly in that thread is this link posted? Wait, again let me answer for you. It wasnt.
And so what if YOU have read the story. I wasnt posting this for you, you egotistical selfcentered retard.
Have fun in your oh so productive life, using drugs as an escape, a "fun" time, etc. I choose to take something from my experiences.. not just to fuck them all away... as I said, judging from your activity on these boards, buddy... this is your so called life. How pathetic.... how utterly pathetic. So go into lurk mode or whatever.. because the truth is, people like you have nothing better to do then this and Im sure you'll read this message seconds after I post it, regardless of the little illusion that you would like to create.
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wow, you're not gonna last long here. calm down.
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: Innvertigo]
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Darling,
I was mod of cult when it was one forum, before you ever even knew this place existed and have been here for far too long for me to even want to fess up to. 
Im amazed at how you dont even have any sense of shroomery history, yet you like to think you know it all. But honestly, I dont even want to get in it with you, Ive pretty much written you off as a warmonger.
Heh, good try tho.
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I was mod of cult when it was one forum, before you ever even knew this place existed
who was talking about the cult forum? i'm talking here. Your responses in the POLITICAL forum are no more impressive than those that you claim to be immature. As for your "i've been here longer" comment you have 279 responses in 4 years...not that it matters but come on.
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Im amazed at how you dont even have any sense of shroomery history, yet you like to think you know it all.
who are you? and how did you come to such an intelligent conclusion?
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But honestly, I dont even want to get in it with you, Ive pretty much written you off as a warmonger.
oh heaven's a no name has discounted me. So what.
In this forum you have to know what you're talking about, feel free to use this course of action in the future.
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Oh yeah, there is nothing at all sacred about mushrooms or any other drug. If you wish to claim your drug use is to "enlighten" yourself, feel free. I'm honest enough to admit that they're strictly a way to have fun.
Out of curiosity, could you tell me on thing that in your opinion is sacred?
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Oh yeah, there is nothing at all sacred about mushrooms or any other drug. If you wish to claim your drug use is to "enlighten" yourself, feel free. I'm honest enough to admit that they're strictly a way to have fun.
You know, it IS possible that people use drugs for more than getting "fucked up"...
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These people would not have been put in that situation if it were not for the Iraqi army's tactics in fighting this war.
It was a very unfortunate incident and it could have been handled better by the soldiers, but they were trying to prevent suicide bombings.
I say FUCK the Iraqi Military and their tactics that put civilians in such a dangerous position.
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: z@z.com]
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So a bunch of armed to the teeth jumpy American school boys with guns shooting a family in that familys own country using warnings not in that family's dialect is not the fault of the agressors but the fault of the country being occupied?
lol got any more as that was funny logic?
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: Paid]
#1425634 - 04/03/03 08:27 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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I never blamed the civilians. And I also never excused the soldiers.
What I did say was that the Iraqi military is using tactics that place civilians in a very dangerous situation. This you cannot deny.
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: z@z.com]
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You mean like bombing a capitol city with a population of 4834773?
That seems like a tactic than may endanger civilian lives to me.
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: Paid]
#1425646 - 04/03/03 08:32 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes it will.
So will dressing your soldiers up like civilians, setting up troops in hospitals, keeping weapon stockpiles in schools, sending suicide bombers and hiding your troops in civilian areas.
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"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: z@z.com]
#1425655 - 04/03/03 08:36 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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The things people will do when there lives are on the line hu.Hunted down by
superpowers with high tec weapons ready to fire of missiles from comfy bullet
proof positions.O to be able to choose the rules.
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: Paid]
#1425668 - 04/03/03 08:42 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes they are afraid, but the Iraqi leadership has absolutely no regard for the lives of the civilians. They have already lost the war. They can't win. All they are doing is causing more civilian casualties. They won't even let the civilians leave the battlefield for Gods sake.
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i just wanted to say that it's nice to see one of the conservative group actually respond to the issue at hand.
even if someone disagrees with you, you're actually sticking to the topic and applying logic... good....
i think the whole thing is a difficult, ugly situation. wars always are. the US soldiers didn't know the man was wearing his pinstripe suit to look american. the soldiers didn't know it wasn't a suicide bombing about to happen. the family didn't think a family would get shot up.
war is just ugly.
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Respect to psilokitten for having a viewpoint and expressing it with the passion it deserves.
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typical liberal knee-jerk emotional reaction.
psilo.. it was a terrible accident. they can't just allow vehicles to speed towards checkpoints and wait to see if they've got either a family in them or a kilo of TNT. there are rules they have so that people aren't getting blown away by truck bombs at checkpoints. they don't fuck around when it comes to preventing a truck full of explosives from barreling into a checkpoint and blowing up 20 or 30 troops. so.... you speed your car at the checkpoint, you get shot at like bonnie and clyde. this event is tragic, it's terrible. i imagine the troops feel terrible for what happened, but they certainly shouldn't feel guilty. they didn't do anything wrong. if anything, the blame lies on whomever wrote the pamphlets or whatever, whoever did not porperly communicate to the iraqis the proper protocols for approaching a checkpoint. if the pamphlets had said "DRIVE SLOWLY" (which would seem to be the #1 rule...) this wouldn't have happened.
although... i would think of it as common sense not to speed a car towards a checkpoint, but that's just me.
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So go into lurk mode or whatever.. because the truth is, people like you have nothing better to do then this and Im sure you'll read this message seconds after I post it, regardless of the little illusion that you would like to create.
Actually potty mouth, if as you claim you were a mod here, I'm sure it would be no problem (and I grant permission) to find out I logged off after making my post and didn't log back on until after 4:30 PM eastern time.
And how pathetic is it to assume because you don't like what I post that I take nothing from my experiences.
You are truly sad. With a mouth like that I wouldn't stick my (pre-edited for Rono) in it.
I pity you.
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With a mouth like that I wouldn't stick my (pre-edited for Rono) in it
the hypocrisy
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With a mouth like that I wouldn't stick my (pre-edited for Rono) in it
the hypocrisy
Oh? How's that?
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Don't you think that was a rather crass attempt at an insult? Well you just did the exact same thing you just accused PsiloKitten of doing - being a potty mouth.
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I don't recall any of the stories about this mentioning the van 'speeding' toward the checkpoint.
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fuck you to the people who can't see the big picture.
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fuck you to the people who can't see the big picture.
Fuck you to the people who think we're missing something just because we disagree with you.
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why don't you just say fuck you to all the right wingers.
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why don't you just say fuck you to all the right wingers.
Because I don't hate all right-wingers. Just the ignorant, arrogant ones. I realize you hate all left-wingers, but I am no knee-jerk liberal. I have a great deal of respect for the thoughtful, open-minded conservatives such as Evolving and Pinksharkmark. I have no respect for close-minded assholes.
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I was mod 4 years ago, elected by the members of the shroomery.. back when this place even used to resemble a "democracy". I have no access to the servers and I dont care when you logged on or off, if you truly have such an exciting and fullfilling life then fantastic for you, but being around here for this long Ive talked to and met a whole slew of people like you, so I tend to just go ahead and let precedence influence my opinions.
Potty mouth? So fucking what? Oh, so we can post pics of scat porn, tits and ass and swear like a sailor about anything, as long as it isnt a war? Oh yeah, but it isnt in this forum right, some other forum is the "proper" place for that kind of nonsense, but my opinions about this bush junta cant contain any profanities? This place is a bastion for democracy and actual political thought and theory, right? Give me a fucking break... This place is an escape for a bunch of mostly teenagers/ early 20 somethings that need to get their head out of their asses and realise that this is their world that is being destroyed right now. I guess, we will just have to wait and see who gets the final "I told you so" about a us lead genocide.
What misogynists do to find this place constantly amazes me, but it is par for the course. Participating so actively in a community that is completely male dominated I find it laughable that your delicate sensitivites were so assailed by some "dirty" words. Oh the horror. And the most fantastic part about it is that you can read about a marketplace getting bombed and innocent children getting killed and say that they were late for their diet, you can also insert many a dirty word yourself-- but .. OH MY GOD.. that chick swears every other word!!! Nevermind my backing of the deaths of innocent people. I guess when it all comes down to it, Ill take my profanity over the blood on your hands.
Damn right I swear and damn right Im passionate (Thank you, Alex) As MLK said, (Rono, tired of hearing this one?) You havent lived until you have found something worth dying for. See, that's the thing that you right wing repukes never understand... if Iraqi people can die for nothing but your lust for suvs and their cheap gasoline... well, to stop that... to me is worth dying for and swearing for an ruffling feathers for and Im damn proud of the people like Alex123, RadioActiveSlug, and a handful of others that can stomach the bile that is spewed in the name of "liberating" people straight to their death and who are here in a place that sorely needs to wake up. Im having a major meltdown trying to understand what the fuck the drug culture even stands for anymore. Let's get fucked up and go tip some cows, that'll be fun-- in the 60s and 70s drugs were expanding people's minds, they were opening their eyes... nowadays it just seems like you people use them to escape reality.
I AM MAD! I AM FURIOUS! I cant believe that this is the world that was handed down to me, a world made up of people who dont even realize their hypocrisies, a world of youth that are so consumer driven that they dont get out of the Excursion that their parents bought them for managing to graduate highschool to take a stand for their world and their future.
And for the life of me, I just cant understand people like you... I cannot understand why you are so willing to throw away humanity for a govt lead by a former coke head, born again christian... do you identify with his recreational drug use, his rush to armeggedon, his blind stupidity in alienating almost the entire world? And Ill never understand how you can look at death and it doesnt even faze you. Casualties are so casual to you that it makes me afraid that you are a member of my country, that you could ever be near a child.... it frightens me on so many levels. I wish so often I could go back to be being a child, to not being able to even comprehend these things to feel safe again in my world, even though people that think killing a family of people is okay exist. But I cant, so Ill scream and yell and tell you all about the things that were done in your name and I have no desire to mince any words or give a shit about being a potty mouth. This is something I would die for, this is my right to say it and if my only outlet for the absolute overwhelming fear, disgust and heartbreak I feel is to scream obscenities from the roof tops -- then Id suggest you plug your ears or put a bullet through my head because Im not stopping that for you, or for anyone.
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: z@z.com]
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Innvertigo,
Heh, you show your "age" , guess you have no idea of the fact that the message boards were deleted including all member messages a few years back. Most of the members that meant anything to me left shortly thereafter. I find it funny as I sit here next to the first mod of the political forum at the shroomery, the main reason this forum even exists (someone who's nick you dont even know) we are playing a "Im more instrumental to the shroomery" game based upon posts. Shit, based upon anything for that matter. Im not an active member of this community in its current reincarnation. I dont care if you dont know who I am, the many many hours Ive contributed to this site and a great deal of its members past and present. Ive paid my dues here.
z@z,
But what makes them wrong when we do some of the same things?
The hospital the iraqi troops were holed up in was not a working hospital, just like the schools and christian churches that our troops occupy.
How is it wrong for them to do it, but right for us?
Also, before you blast the source of this article, do a google search you will find similar articles from numerous sites.
Oh yeah, here is another article
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: ]
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mushmaster, why is it that even though your post was very relevant and thought out you have to brand me a liberal with knee jerk emotions? These are HUMAN emotions. I mean, no offense, but these are opinions that Ive thought out quite a bit and its kind of annoying that they have to be underscored as "liberal knee jerk reactions".
Ive even talked to several in the military, albeit Navy, that are just as appauled by this. I find it funny that one of the boatswains mates I know was the first person I heard in real life say, "Fuck the soldiers" after he informed me of this "miscommunication" He got a bit more expletive then that, but Ill chalk it up to service rivalry.
See, the thing is.. there seem to be alot of different accounts.. some say that the iraqi civilians thought they were being waved on... they couldnt understand english and I doubt many of our young boys in uniform speak arabic. Do you? Frankly, in the same circumstance, after being bombed in my small farming village and then trying to flee to safety.. I dont know what I would do. I know Id be very scared. You say the blame doesnt lie on the soldiers, even though their commanding officer chastised them for not firing a warning shot and killing a whole family.... He didnt give that order for fire, some trigger happy soldier took that matter into his own hands.
Please explain to me how if you fire a gun that kills innocent people it isnt your fault. Are all humans capable of free thought? I thought that was one of the things that set us a part from the apes. I just dont buy that "orders" or "duty" exempt you from bearing that responsibility.
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Bad things like this will happen in war. That means that soldiers will be in bad situations and do bad things.
So, you should put the blame on the leaders who sent the soldiers over there. Now while questioning the leaders, ask yourself, Why did the TV tell me we were going to war to get Weapons of Mass Destruction, and Now the TV is telling me "well we are just there to save the people of Iraq".
Seriously, I am glad you are outraged. I salute you, seriously. I hope and pray that more Americans will wake the muthafuck up!! Stop waving your plastic American flags made in China, and realize that your country is being destroyed by the corrupt administrations.
I would also say get mad at the people that follow the mainstream media, and think they know what is going on and have watched so much American Idol thier brains have ceased to function.
Look up the Patriot act, look up the Patriot act 2, your govt. is trying to use this war NOT, I repeat NOT to protect your freedoms, but to destroy them.
Hey here is something you can think about, why are the UN and the USA talking about placing the Iraq oil into a "trust"? Did you know that we are going to take all the Iraq oil, and then sell it back to the Iraq people with intrest. Oh and not to mention that we are going to take some money out for war costs, and rebuild costs. I mean come on.
I dont understand why there is even any talk about this left vs. right wing nonsense. People get out of the old systems of thought. As shroomers I would expect this would be easier for us to do.
The whole left vs. right is just a sham. They are really just two arms of the same evil. Sure there may be issues you know here and there for both sides and what not. But the big picture is that America is being destroyed by design. If you just read the Patriot Act 2 you will see this quickly.
Really there are just so many things that people are falling for which will give the govt. too much power and America as we know it will be gone.
I mean why is it that not one media station has reported on the fact that congress has not even offically declared war yet? I mean that is a part of the United States Constitution. This fact is not a right wing or a left wing issue, it shakes the very foundation of what everything this country is based on, and what those soldiers think they are fighting for.
And no I will not post links to the Constitution or to the Patriot act 2, look it up foryourself, that is the only way you will learn anything. It is very simple just do a search for either. Look at some of the things the police are being trained to do. DO NOT give up your rights.
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Would you have supported the US going to war in WWII?
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: BowlKiller]
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I would also say get mad at the people that follow the mainstream media, and think they know what is going on and have watched so much American Idol thier brains have ceased to function.
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Hey here is something you can think about, why are the UN and the USA talking about placing the Iraq oil into a "trust"? Did you know that we are going to take all the Iraq oil, and then sell it back to the Iraq people with intrest. Oh and not to mention that we are going to take some money out for war costs, and rebuild costs. I mean come on.
See, that's what Im talking about. Anyone with a belief that the mainstream media is news... well, that's just crazy talk. Im not saying every underground conspiracy theory is truth either... but people, use common sense before refuting a news source as "liberal". I saw someone call the guardian a left leaning liberal publication the other day... wha?
Also, Bowl Killer.. while you are on the topic of oil... another interesting point to consider:
"The cost of post-war reconstruction could be as much as $20 billion a year over several years, according to one recent estimate. Currently Iraq is able to generate about $16 billion from its oil revenues, Crocker said.
But almost all of that - 72 percent - is needed to pay for food, medicine and other humanitarian assistance that sustains more than half the Iraqi population. And those basic survival needs will continue to be among the most pressing costs in the aftermath of any war, Crocker said.
In addition, Hagel and others have noted that there will be other demands on Iraq's oil money.
Iraq has an estimated $172 billion of unsettled reparations stemming from the first Gulf War. In addition, the country has an estimated $62 to $130 billion in debts to private banks and foreign governments across the globe."
Link to complete article
I mean really, when are the iraqi people going to see any of this money, especially if the US gets the ability to run the "reconstruction". Maybe it will go just as well as the afghanistan "reconstruction", which was basically a redecorating job with missles and military.
The Patriot Acts are indeed an abomination. If you dont believe in fighting for peace then atleast fight for your freedoms.... people are going to have to start getting involved in something or this nation is in for a world of shit.
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: Thor]
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Thor,
I would have supported WWII against the Germans.. but not what we did to the Japanese. That solicits my shame, definately not my support.
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I would have supported WWII against the Germans.. but not what we did to the Japanese. That solicits my shame, definately not my support.
Yeah, since Japan was innocent, I mean, its not like they attacked our Pacific Fleet preemptively, or anything.
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: Skikid16]
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Heh,
There are many accounts published from people ranging from radical to intelligence officer saying that pearl harbor was no more secret then 9/11 and just like 9/11 we allowed it to happen because it benefitted our goals.
http://www.independent.org/tii/forums/000524ipfTrans.html
http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/OtherPDFs/Pearl_Harbor___Iserbyt.pdf
Nagasaki and Hiroshima were not justified even if I choose to believe your version of Pearl Harbor.
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How many more lives would have been lost in a conventional invasion?
Better to be the first to drop then the second. In other words, if it wasn't us it would have been someone else. Of that I have no doubt.
When PH happened we were basically in an isolationist phase were we not? This may lead back to the previous discussion about whether Hitler would have represented a threat to the US had we not entered the war and he ruled the east. If we did have pre-knowledge, allowing PH may have been the only way to rally the nation against what the administration perceived as an iminent threat. Better to go in early and make sure Hitler could not be a threat that to be wrong and wait for him to win, rebuild, and continue with his conquest.
You know, if Hitler had not gone after the Jews he could have ruled the world. Einstein would have stayed in Germany and Hitler would have had the bomb instead of us. Once he had that he undoubtedly could have taken the western hemisphere as well.
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: mntlfngrs]
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Countries like nazi Germany that launched pre-emtive wars should stay isolationist. Do you know why they invaded Poland? Because it was a threat to Germany and the rest of the "civilized" world. 
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Well if the left didn't have such a bad reputation of bullshit then I'd have respect for them.
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: Cracka_X]
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Point is some young dumb and full of cum soldiers killed a whole innocent family whilst attacking there country,try all you like to justify this but imo this is why wars should not be fought,unless as an act of self protection not out right colonialist aggression.
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: Paid]
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Do the Shiites support Saddam?s overthrow?
Yes, experts say. Iraq?s Shiites, who make up about 55 to 65 percent of the country?s population, have been persecuted for decades by Saddam?s Sunni-dominated Ba?ath party. Why did the Bush administration expect a friendly welcome? Because the Shiites were willing to rise up against Saddam in 1991 and intelligence gathered from Iraqi opposition groups and others suggested that they would support the overthrow of Saddam?s regime. Top officials especially were confident of Shiite support. What do the Shiites want?
It?s difficult to generalize, experts say. But many Shiites appear to be seeking a level of government representation that at least reflects their status as the country?s majority population. Other analysts add that while many of Iraq?s Shiites may agree in theory with the United States on the goal of a democratic government, they are much less optimistic than the administration about how easily this can be achieved.
With a majority of the population supporting an overthrow of Saddam but unable to accomplish this on thier own, I don;t know why you call it an invasion.
Are there signs that Shiite attitudes might shift?
Yes. On Wednesday, residents reportedly cheered and smiled as U.S. forces made their way into the central Iraqi town of Najaf, which was the scene of lengthy U.S.-Iraqi clashes.
Once the Shiites are convince that we are not going to screw them again you will see your welcome.
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Heh, you show your "age" , guess you have no idea of the fact that the message boards were deleted including all member messages a few years back
fine, you're still a nobody in my book.
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Most of the members that meant anything to me left shortly thereafter. I find it funny as I sit here next to the first mod of the political forum at the shroomery, the main reason this forum even exists
how can i put this as delicatly as possible. So what? Is your life so obsessed where you feel the need to tell me things about you that i couldn't care less about? You're a joke with a computer that has his/her head up his/her ass.
FYI: I nor anyone else is impressed that you know or have been a MOD, just a thought.
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we are playing a "Im more instrumental to the shroomery" game based upon posts.
If you noticed, i said "not that it matters. Feel free to read from time to time.
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so what? let it go and feel happy noone knows you...e.xcept your little MOD buddy.
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: z@z.com]
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z@z.com notes:
So will dressing your soldiers up like civilians, setting up troops in hospitals, keeping weapon stockpiles in schools, sending suicide bombers and hiding your troops in civilian areas.
This is the relevant point to this entire thread -- the fundamental principle underlying the incident under discussion.
Would those soldiers at that checkpoint have acted as they did had there not been a previous incident of other soldiers at a checkpoint being killed by a car bomb (whose driver also reportedly waved at the troops, remember) just days before? Nope.
Despite the inherent uncivilized nature of war, there are universally-recognized rules of conduct during wartime (the Geneva Convention being just one of the more recent) that have developed over the millennia for a reason. Not surprisingly, almost all of those rules are aimed at reducing the impact of war on non-combatants; i.e. clear identification of combatants through the use of uniforms and/or insignia, prohibitions against attacking hospitals and ambulances, prohibition against false surrender tactics, prohibitions against "human shields", humane treatment of POWs, and more.
When one side disregards these conventions and chooses to use the "loopholes" for military gain, it trades a short-term, onetime gain for longterm risk to their civilian population. This was amply demonstrated over and over in Viet Nam.
If one cannot be reasonably sure that the guy who seems to be surrendering really means it, one tends to be quicker on the trigger than otherwise. When one cannot be sure whether the next car that refuses to stop is driven by a confused refugee or a suicide bomber, one tends (understandably) to err on the side of self-defense.
Who is ultimately responsible for these incidents (of which there will certainly be more), an overly-nervous nineteen year old grunt at a roadblock, or the commander who incited one of his troops to turn himself into the driver of a car-bomb?
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: Phred]
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I'm against the war because the government made me go to shcool, and won't let me smoke pot.
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: Phred]
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A postscript:
There are reports today of another car bomber using a pregnant woman to entice coalition soldiers close enough to his car to kill them when he detonated it. Clearly there is no way of knowing whether the woman volunteered to accompany him or was coerced into it.
As I said before -- a very small short term gain for the ruling regime has been once again traded for longterm pain for non-combatants. Three dead invaders, but how many refugees trying to flee the fighting will now be placed at risk? Will the next incident be carried out with an ambulance? A food truck? How long do you think it will be before ALL non-military vehicular traffic in Iraq will be prohibited? And, in the interests of impartiality, will Al Jazeera add footage of this woman's shattered body (perhaps with her unborn child even visible through the torn viscera) to their parade of images of civilian casualties?
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: mntlfngrs]
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Yes. On Wednesday, residents reportedly cheered and smiled as U.S. forces made their way into the central Iraqi
They cheered just before they were machine gunned for not stopping at the roadblock...
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I'm against the war because the government made me go to shcool, and won't let me smoke pot.
As good as reason as many and better than some.
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There are reports today of another car bomber using a pregnant woman to entice coalition soldiers close enough to his car to kill them when he detonated it. Clearly there is no way of knowing whether the woman volunteered to accompany him or was coerced into it.
News report say she exited the car shortly before it exploded and was screaming and yelling as if scared.
For the chowderheads.....
I have no way of knowing if this is true as I was not there.
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: Phred]
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This was amply demonstrated over and over in Viet Nam.
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Well if the left didn't have such a bad reputation of bullshit then I'd have respect for them.
So, in other words, you'd have more respect for the left if others did? Nice to see you jumping on the left-hating bandwagon.
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It's not that those on the right hate those on the left. It's more of a feeling of sadness that something could go so horribly wrong with the thought process of so many for so long.
It leaves us puzzled for example when some argue so eloquently for some rights, but have no cares at all for other rights.
It leaves us puzzled when everything is a conspiracy, each worse than the last.
And no, I'm not speaking for ALL the right, nor about ALL the left.
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NAH, f*ck you, you rotten piece of shit! You dont even deserve to be in the land of the free, you dumbf*ck. Hey Amaricans, lets take PsiloKitten and burn em in the middle of the f*cking battlefield, with the rest of the basterds whos minds are fucked up!! F*ck the Hindus, towel heads, and the dumb f*ckin Amaricans who think we shouldnt blow them f*ckers up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: Innvertigo]
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Innvertigo,
Do you get your rocks off by insulting people and never contributing a single thing to a thread? All you do is tell people to go read this or that when its obvious they alreay have and they are replying, regardless of the fact that you dont like their opinions, perhaps you should come up with some new saying, because that one just continues to show your ass and make me question your IQ when you like to whip it out in atleast one post in every single thread. Evidently yes.. darlin, that sure doesnt spell "somebody" in my book. Also, if you look back at your post... you asked me who I was, so I told you. As a typical American you have no sense of history and no respect for the people that came before you and contributed-- not who just got their jollies by fucking around in their prowar stance and telling people to go read or trying to discount people's opinions with childish put downs and some over inflated opinion of oneself. When you have no basis for conjecture, just call someone stupid or illiterate... oh yeah, that makes you look oh so worldly.
Maybe you should feel free to go back and read your own shit, I mean words, cause you dont ever seem to remember what you said, even in other threads where people do you the favor of directly quoting it for you. Then of course, you dont address the point at hand, you just call them stupid and usually tell them to go read.. heh, or if we are lucky you throw out some little quip like "No shit, Einstein *insert emoticon*
Noone knows me? Not that its true, but what the hell does that matter and why must you continue to attack me with.. "nobody knows you, go away, you are nothing".. dude, get a grip-- contribute to the fucking thread or go resume your jacking off... nobody needs your bullshit. You know, I look through your posts and they are all based on this blind faith of yours, you discount people who produce links while never providing any backup information -- just opinions and insult, although you like to to think you are a political scholar.
I mean really, did you contribute one thing to this thread? The mods say, no flaming and this isnt flaming, this is pointing something out that if you actually look at your posts you will see that you like to do quite often. Just because you like to follow your comments with little j/k or emoticons the intent and just complete rudeness and obvious lack of respect for any differening opinions is still there, but finesse the mods a little.. that should save you.. or post just a fuckload and maybe all the blatent flames, lopsided opinions and lies you like to throw around will get buried in the mire. Could you just leave me personally the fuck alone, attack the content I have to deliver all you want.. but Im sick of this shit, I dont attack you personally anywhere in any thread before you feel the need to put your two cents in about me.
Again, so YOU can read it.. start responding to the topic at hand not just insulting people who hold a different viewpoint then you, because that is exactly what you keep doing over and over again. See, the funny thing is.. if you actually read through this forum, yes alot of us antiwar types are very passionate-- but the handful of you prowar types just like to smother the board in it and just attack people-- not nessecarily opinions and ideas, but people -- so often that it sometimes appears that you are the majority, not the minority. I was so confused by it until I started reading your posts and then I realized that this place wasnt as fucked up as I thought. So, thanks again to the handful of you-- you should be damn proud of yourself.
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And can you see that alot of us feel the same way about those that are prowar?
"It's not that those on the right hate those on the left. It's more of a feeling of sadness that something could go so horribly wrong with the thought process of so many for so long."
We feel the same way, we have no idea how you can claim to love this country, yet sit by while it is being destroyed, this war is a symptom of that.
"It leaves us puzzled for example when some argue so eloquently for some rights, but have no cares at all for other rights."
Like what rights, the right to smoke pot or do drugs? I think alot of us have put that on a back burner, we are fighting for our freedom from the patriot act as well as the freedom of a country not to get bombed into oblivion. We honestly believe that this war is not for the right reasons and even if you call the conspiracy theories, there are alot of people all over the world that feel the same way-- have you spoken to anyone outside of the us about what they think of americans and what we are allowing to happen right now?
"It leaves us puzzled when everything is a conspiracy, each worse than the last." And it bothers us when people dont question the media and the govt, when people take the words of Faux News, MSNBC etc as truth-- I mean, our media outlets have embedded journalists for christ sake!-- The other thing is that historically we find over and over again, way to late that we have been lied to-- Ie, operation northwood, cuban missle crisis, pearl harbor, my lai, watergate, iran contra, etc--- so, we question our govt and our news sources because they have proven that they cannot be trusted. Our news sources are owned by the same campaign contributers that make sure the top 2% stays okay while our unemployment rates, health care, educational system and economy flush down the drain... we are the ones that didnt believe the hype about how we killed a doctor, or lawyer or whatever in the anti drug ads... just like you. And we are questioning the fabric of this country's reality because people need to stop believing everything that the govt and media tell them. Im not saying that every conspiracy theory should be believed unconditionally, but maybe sometimes if you guys would give them a chance, would actually take the time to read with an open mind instead -- well, maybe you could understand where we are coming from.. because you cant dispute the govt has lied many times supported by the media of its time...
See, most of us are against this GOVT, not the people-- and we are pissed off that anyone could condone and support crooks and criminals leading this war of transgressions.
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Do you get your rocks off by insulting people and never contributing a single thing to a thread?
i contribute what i can and couldn't care less what you're idea of contribution is.
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? All you do is tell people to go read this or that when its obvious they alreay have and they are replying, regardless of the fact that you dont like their opinions, perhaps you should come up with some new saying, because that one just continues to show your ass and make me question your IQ when you like to whip it out in atleast one post in every single thread. Evidently yes.. darlin, that sure doesnt spell "somebody" in my book.
wow, that made absolutly no sense. The new enforced rules keeps me from explaining to you why i haven't got a care in the world to whether or not you like me, or why you question my IQ. Let it go little girl.
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Also, if you look back at your post... you asked me who I was, so I told you
i still don't know who you are...nor do i care really.
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As a typical American you have no sense of history and no respect for the people that came before you and contributed
Are you honestly trying to say i should respect you for being here longer or history in general? Either way i assure you i have no respect for those of your ilk.
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not who just got their jollies by fucking around in their prowar stance and telling people to go read or trying to discount people's opinions with childish put downs and some over inflated opinion of oneself. When you have no basis for conjecture, just call someone stupid or illiterate... oh yeah, that makes you look oh so worldly.
Now you're just babbling....
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Maybe you should feel free to go back and read your own shit, I mean words, cause you dont ever seem to remember what you said, even in other threads where people do you the favor of directly quoting it for you. Then of course, you dont address the point at hand, you just call them stupid and usually tell them to go read.. heh, or if we are lucky you throw out some little quip like "No shit, Einstein *insert emoticon*
i realize you're a bit behind so i'll explain it to you. He said Einstien was a very smart man and i said "No Shit Einstien" as a way or stating the obvious while injecting a little political comedy. He knew what i meant, too bad you didn't. Maybe that's why i didn't reply to you.
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Noone knows me? Not that its true, but what the hell does that matter and why must you continue to attack me with.. "nobody knows you, go away, you are nothing".. dude, get a grip
you're nobody to me...and that's all that matters in my book.
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contribute to the fucking thread or go resume your jacking off
wow, nice language. I'm going to refrain from returning it because Rono is in a bad mood as of late.
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he mods say, no flaming and this isnt flaming, this is pointing something out that if you actually look at your posts you will see that you like to do quite often.
i don't care if you do flame me, flame away. you babble alot ya know.
i want to respond to the rest of your long-winded reply but it sounds like a bunch of psycho babble, i feel sorry for your boyfriend/life partner or whatever. He/She has my simpathy.
In the future if you'd like to flame me feel free but if you want to have this sort of discussion try PMing me because you are doing nothing but make me entertained, keep up the good work.
I love you so very much. 
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We feel the same way, we have no idea how you can claim to love this country, yet sit by while it is being destroyed, this war is a symptom of that.
I'm always amazed when some angry bitter person decides by what I post here that he/she/it knows my life story and what I do or do not do. Simply because I don't get on a message board and spout endless and foolish barbs at Bush (who by the way is a much better man AND president than the last scumbag which held that office) doesn't mean I just sit and do nothing while crap like the Patriot Act gets crammed up our asses. Can I say asses or will I be mod-spanked?
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Like what rights, the right to smoke pot or do drugs? I think alot of us have put that on a back burner, we are fighting for our freedom from the patriot act as well as the freedom of a country not to get bombed into oblivion. We honestly believe that this war is not for the right reasons and even if you call the conspiracy theories, there are alot of people all over the world that feel the same way-- have you spoken to anyone outside of the us about what they think of americans and what we are allowing to happen right now?
Hey, I'm not happy we went to war either. I do however think there was no viable alternative. Does that make me pro-war? To those who's mouth moves faster than their brains perhaps. And quite frankly, those are the people that I could care less what they think. Or those who claim the war is about one thing. Or who say stupid crap like it's a war against Islam, or genocide to the Iraqis.
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Like what rights, the right to smoke pot or do drugs? I think alot of us have put that on a back burner, we are fighting for our freedom from the patriot act as well as the freedom of a country not to get bombed into oblivion.
You don't come here much I see. There are those here who think the answer to all the worlds problems is to have everybody get stoned. And there are those here who think it's OK to vote for a candidate who favors drug legalization no matter what their stance is on other issues.
And I won't go into this in depth since it's off topic ....
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Our news sources are owned by the same campaign contributers that make sure the top 2% stays okay while our unemployment rates, health care, educational system and economy flush down the drain...
It's not up to, and is prohibited by the constitution, the government to take care of any of those things.
As for conspiracies, I know there are some... too many in fact. Sadly there are those here who espouse the most lurid, foolish crap imaginable. Those are the ones we make fun of. And rightfully so.
Finally....
Your anger is not only bad for you, but completely obliterates any potentially valid points you may have to make.
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: Xlea321]
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Yes. On Wednesday, residents reportedly cheered and smiled as U.S. forces made their way into the central Iraqi
They cheered just before they were machine gunned for not stopping at the roadblock...
Now how about a real arguement that has a rational base. You reply to a positive incident with a negative view of a completly different incident and you don't even put it in context. Responses like that only hurt your position.
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: Innvertigo]
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In the future if you'd like to flame me feel free but if you want to have this sort of discussion try PMing me because you are doing nothing but make me entertained, keep up the good work.
You know, if you had that common courtesy time after time on these boards with not just myself, but may others then maybe this wouldnt be nessecary. But someone needs to reign you in and obviously the mods arent doing that.. and if you feel the need to attack me personally in a public forum Ill reply to it. I mean, duh-- why dont you go read your replies in the beginning of this thread -- try looking at post #1425466 for some reference, you are also more then welcome to read the posts before it and after it.
If perhaps you can stop that-- the PERSONAL ATTACKS-- then maybe we can get past this. I didnt come into this thread saying-- ***EDITED BY RONO*** I expressed a belief and opinion that was directed at a faction of society, you chose to become that faction of society in this thread and to attack me personally-- even more so then anyone else, atleast luvthemshrooms had the sense to stay on the topic, most of the time-- If Im so full of shit and illiterate, then perhaps you shouldnt read my posts. I dont read yours because I know we disagree, I know that your mind will not change and my mind will not change-- I give you that courtesy and perhaps in the future you could attempt to return it 
So the question is.. will you, or will you not stop the personal attacks on the PUBLIC message boards...
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Xlea321
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So the question is.. will you, or will you not stop the personal attacks on the PUBLIC message boards...
Not a lot of hope seeing as that's all they do.
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I give you that courtesy and perhaps in the future you could attempt to return it
Personally i don't really care if you give me courtesy or not.
you're not getting it, i don't care how you feel about me.
if you want to have this conversation PM me.
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: Innvertigo]
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Ill respond the same to you and hope that you will discontinue the PRIVATE attacks on a PUBLIC message board and will instead discuss the topic at hand.
Other then the fact that regardless of the cowardly discourtesy that you feel needed to continue, although I do not, bespeaks volumes about your cause, your opinion and yourself.
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"It's not up to, and is prohibited by the constitution, the government to take care of any of those things."
What about the establishment of the FCC and the fact that the people have been endowed the airwaves?
Anger? How anyone could help be angry at what is going on is something beyond me and if the worst expression of my anger is words not your proscribed violence-- well, I can still sleep soundly at night, I can still be assured that I have not failed my faith, the worlds people or my nation.
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read my last post....
you're still not getting it.
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: Xlea321]
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Power to peaceful  Alex, in commemoration of one of the saddest days in history, this being the anniversary of the death of MLK-- This quotes for you:
"It's not longer a choice between violence and nonviolence in this world; it's nonviolence or nonexistance. That is where we are today."
Innvertigo, nah, Im getting it just fine.. but good lord child, if you want the last word-- so be it... Ive had enough of these games, judging from your post, a zebra sure as hell does never change its stripes, nor a sheep it's wool.
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Xlea321
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I hear ya psilo!
Keep the faith! 
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Keep the petty arguments to PM please...Let's try to keep this forum free from "I know you are but what am I" type rhetoric.
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PsiloKitten
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: Rono]
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Exasperating.
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i hear that....
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Xlea321
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: mntlfngrs]
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Yes. On Wednesday, residents reportedly cheered and smiled as U.S. forces made their way into the central Iraqi
They cheered just before they were machine gunned for not stopping at the roadblock...
Now how about a real arguement that has a rational base. Responses like that only hurt your position.
It was a joke.
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luvdemshrooms
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: Xlea321]
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So the question is.. will you, or will you not stop the personal attacks on the PUBLIC message boards...
Not a lot of hope seeing as that's all they do.
The pot calling the kettle black.
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adrug
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hey, then why don't BOTH of you cool off then?
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luvdemshrooms
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: adrug]
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hey, then why don't BOTH of you cool off then?
The key part to cooling off is to be hot to begin with. I am not hot, therefore cooling off is neither necessary or possible.
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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