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Invisiblez@z.com
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: Paid]
    #1425646 - 04/03/03 08:32 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Yes it will.
So will dressing your soldiers up like civilians, setting up troops in hospitals, keeping weapon stockpiles in schools, sending suicide bombers and hiding your troops in civilian areas.


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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: z@z.com]
    #1425655 - 04/03/03 08:36 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

The things people will do when there lives are on the line hu.Hunted down by
superpowers with high tec weapons ready to fire of missiles from comfy bullet
proof positions.O to be able to choose the rules.


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Invisiblez@z.com
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: Paid]
    #1425668 - 04/03/03 08:42 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Yes they are afraid, but the Iraqi leadership has absolutely no regard for the lives of the civilians. They have already lost the war. They can't win. All they are doing is causing more civilian casualties. They won't even let the civilians leave the battlefield for Gods sake.


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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

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InvisibleCaptain Jack
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: z@z.com]
    #1425680 - 04/03/03 08:50 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

i just wanted to say that it's nice to see one of the conservative group actually respond to the issue at hand.

even if someone disagrees with you, you're actually sticking to the topic and applying logic... good....

i think the whole thing is a difficult, ugly situation. wars always are. the US soldiers didn't know the man was wearing his pinstripe suit to look american. the soldiers didn't know it wasn't a suicide bombing about to happen. the family didn't think a family would get shot up.

war is just ugly.


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InvisibleXlea321
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1425716 - 04/03/03 09:13 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Respect to psilokitten for having a viewpoint and expressing it with the passion it deserves.




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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1425776 - 04/03/03 10:00 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

typical liberal knee-jerk emotional reaction.

psilo.. it was a terrible accident. they can't just allow vehicles to speed towards checkpoints and wait to see if they've got either a family in them or a kilo of TNT. there are rules they have so that people aren't getting blown away by truck bombs at checkpoints. they don't fuck around when it comes to preventing a truck full of explosives from barreling into a checkpoint and blowing up 20 or 30 troops. so.... you speed your car at the checkpoint, you get shot at like bonnie and clyde. this event is tragic, it's terrible. i imagine the troops feel terrible for what happened, but they certainly shouldn't feel guilty. they didn't do anything wrong. if anything, the blame lies on whomever wrote the pamphlets or whatever, whoever did not porperly communicate to the iraqis the proper protocols for approaching a checkpoint. if the pamphlets had said "DRIVE SLOWLY" (which would seem to be the #1 rule...) this wouldn't have happened.

although... i would think of it as common sense not to speed a car towards a checkpoint, but that's just me.


Edited by mushmaster (04/03/03 11:03 AM)

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Invisibleluvdemshrooms
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1426699 - 04/03/03 03:47 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

So go into lurk mode or whatever.. because the truth is, people like you have nothing better to do then this and Im sure you'll read this message seconds after I post it, regardless of the little illusion that you would like to create.




Actually potty mouth, if as you claim you were a mod here, I'm sure it would be no problem (and I grant permission) to find out I logged off after making my post and didn't log back on until after 4:30 PM eastern time.

And how pathetic is it to assume because you don't like what I post that I take nothing from my experiences.

You are truly sad. With a mouth like that I wouldn't stick my (pre-edited for Rono) in it.

I pity you.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

Edited by luvdemshrooms (04/03/03 03:55 PM)

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InvisibleinfidelGOD
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1426733 - 04/03/03 04:03 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

With a mouth like that I wouldn't stick my (pre-edited for Rono) in it

the hypocrisy

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Invisibleluvdemshrooms
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1426740 - 04/03/03 04:07 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

With a mouth like that I wouldn't stick my (pre-edited for Rono) in it

the hypocrisy



Oh? How's that?


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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InvisibleinfidelGOD
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1426746 - 04/03/03 04:10 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Don't you think that was a rather crass attempt at an insult? Well you just did the exact same thing you just accused PsiloKitten of doing - being a potty mouth.

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Invisibleadrug

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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: ]
    #1426757 - 04/03/03 04:16 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I don't recall any of the stories about this mentioning the van 'speeding' toward the checkpoint.

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InvisibleCracka_X
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1426758 - 04/03/03 04:17 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

fuck you to the people who can't see the big picture.


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For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

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Invisiblesilversoul7
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: Cracka_X]
    #1426765 - 04/03/03 04:19 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

fuck you to the people who can't see the big picture.



Fuck you to the people who think we're missing something just because we disagree with you.


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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: silversoul7]
    #1426774 - 04/03/03 04:22 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

why don't you just say fuck you to all the right wingers.


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Invisiblesilversoul7
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: Cracka_X]
    #1426795 - 04/03/03 04:29 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

why don't you just say fuck you to all the right wingers.



Because I don't hate all right-wingers. Just the ignorant, arrogant ones. I realize you hate all left-wingers, but I am no knee-jerk liberal. I have a great deal of respect for the thoughtful, open-minded conservatives such as Evolving and Pinksharkmark. I have no respect for close-minded assholes.


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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1426875 - 04/03/03 05:25 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

z


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InvisiblePsiloKitten
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1427018 - 04/03/03 06:40 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I was mod 4 years ago, elected by the members of the shroomery.. back when this place even used to resemble a "democracy". I have no access to the servers and I dont care when you logged on or off, if you truly have such an exciting and fullfilling life then fantastic for you, but being around here for this long Ive talked to and met a whole slew of people like you, so I tend to just go ahead and let precedence influence my opinions.

Potty mouth? So fucking what? Oh, so we can post pics of scat porn, tits and ass and swear like a sailor about anything, as long as it isnt a war? Oh yeah, but it isnt in this forum right, some other forum is the "proper" place for that kind of nonsense, but my opinions about this bush junta cant contain any profanities? This place is a bastion for democracy and actual political thought and theory, right? Give me a fucking break... This place is an escape for a bunch of mostly teenagers/ early 20 somethings that need to get their head out of their asses and realise that this is their world that is being destroyed right now. I guess, we will just have to wait and see who gets the final "I told you so" about a us lead genocide.

What misogynists do to find this place constantly amazes me, but it is par for the course. Participating so actively in a community that is completely male dominated I find it laughable that your delicate sensitivites were so assailed by some "dirty" words. Oh the horror. And the most fantastic part about it is that you can read about a marketplace getting bombed and innocent children getting killed and say that they were late for their diet, you can also insert many a dirty word yourself-- but .. OH MY GOD.. that chick swears every other word!!! Nevermind my backing of the deaths of innocent people. I guess when it all comes down to it, Ill take my profanity over the blood on your hands.

Damn right I swear and damn right Im passionate (Thank you, Alex) As MLK said, (Rono, tired of hearing this one?) You havent lived until you have found something worth dying for. See, that's the thing that you right wing repukes never understand... if Iraqi people can die for nothing but your lust for suvs and their cheap gasoline... well, to stop that... to me is worth dying for and swearing for an ruffling feathers for and Im damn proud of the people like Alex123, RadioActiveSlug, and a handful of others that can stomach the bile that is spewed in the name of "liberating" people straight to their death and who are here in a place that sorely needs to wake up. Im having a major meltdown trying to understand what the fuck the drug culture even stands for anymore. Let's get fucked up and go tip some cows, that'll be fun-- in the 60s and 70s drugs were expanding people's minds, they were opening their eyes... nowadays it just seems like you people use them to escape reality.

I AM MAD! I AM FURIOUS! I cant believe that this is the world that was handed down to me, a world made up of people who dont even realize their hypocrisies, a world of youth that are so consumer driven that they dont get out of the Excursion that their parents bought them for managing to graduate highschool to take a stand for their world and their future.

And for the life of me, I just cant understand people like you... I cannot understand why you are so willing to throw away humanity for a govt lead by a former coke head, born again christian... do you identify with his recreational drug use, his rush to armeggedon, his blind stupidity in alienating almost the entire world? And Ill never understand how you can look at death and it doesnt even faze you. Casualties are so casual to you that it makes me afraid that you are a member of my country, that you could ever be near a child.... it frightens me on so many levels. I wish so often I could go back to be being a child, to not being able to even comprehend these things to feel safe again in my world, even though people that think killing a family of people is okay exist. But I cant, so Ill scream and yell and tell you all about the things that were done in your name and I have no desire to mince any words or give a shit about being a potty mouth. This is something I would die for, this is my right to say it and if my only outlet for the absolute overwhelming fear, disgust and heartbreak I feel is to scream obscenities from the roof tops -- then Id suggest you plug your ears or put a bullet through my head because Im not stopping that for you, or for anyone.


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Invisibleluvdemshrooms
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1427025 - 04/03/03 06:44 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

My aren't you just too cute.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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InvisiblePsiloKitten
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: z@z.com]
    #1427032 - 04/03/03 06:47 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Innvertigo,
Heh, you show your "age" , guess you have no idea of the fact that the message boards were deleted including all member messages a few years back. Most of the members that meant anything to me left shortly thereafter. I find it funny as I sit here next to the first mod of the political forum at the shroomery, the main reason this forum even exists (someone who's nick you dont even know) we are playing a "Im more instrumental to the shroomery" game based upon posts. Shit, based upon anything for that matter. Im not an active member of this community in its current reincarnation. I dont care if you dont know who I am, the many many hours Ive contributed to this site and a great deal of its members past and present. Ive paid my dues here.

z@z,
But what makes them wrong when we do some of the same things?

The hospital the iraqi troops were holed up in was not a working hospital, just like the schools and christian churches that our troops occupy.

How is it wrong for them to do it, but right for us?

Also, before you blast the source of this article, do a google search you will find similar articles from numerous sites.

Oh yeah, here is another article


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InvisiblePsiloKitten
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Re: FUCK the soldiers [Re: ]
    #1427063 - 04/03/03 07:17 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

mushmaster, why is it that even though your post was very relevant and thought out you have to brand me a liberal with knee jerk emotions? These are HUMAN emotions. I mean, no offense, but these are opinions that Ive thought out quite a bit and its kind of annoying that they have to be underscored as "liberal knee jerk reactions".

Ive even talked to several in the military, albeit Navy, that are just as appauled by this. I find it funny that one of the boatswains mates I know was the first person I heard in real life say, "Fuck the soldiers" after he informed me of this "miscommunication" He got a bit more expletive then that, but Ill chalk it up to service rivalry.

See, the thing is.. there seem to be alot of different accounts.. some say that the iraqi civilians thought they were being waved on... they couldnt understand english and I doubt many of our young boys in uniform speak arabic. Do you? Frankly, in the same circumstance, after being bombed in my small farming village and then trying to flee to safety.. I dont know what I would do. I know Id be very scared. You say the blame doesnt lie on the soldiers, even though their commanding officer chastised them for not firing a warning shot and killing a whole family.... He didnt give that order for fire, some trigger happy soldier took that matter into his own hands.

Please explain to me how if you fire a gun that kills innocent people it isnt your fault. Are all humans capable of free thought? I thought that was one of the things that set us a part from the apes. I just dont buy that "orders" or "duty" exempt you from bearing that responsibility.


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