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hard drive eraser
    #14252949 - 04/07/11 12:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

can anyone recommend some good software for erasing a hard drive
beyond recovery.
you know a police on the way so burn everything kinda deal.

there,s a lot of different ones out there and the last thing i need is a false sense of security from a crappy program

thanks:thumbup:


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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: Micawber]
    #14252953 - 04/07/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Jetico BCWipe

http://www.jetico.com/


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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: Micawber]
    #14252961 - 04/07/11 12:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Micawber said:

thanks:thumbup:...in advance.




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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: ModularMind]
    #14252982 - 04/07/11 12:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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ifoundwaldo said:
Jetico BCWipe

http://www.jetico.com/




I would suggest active killdisk. i believe it does a 7 pass erase and write over that even the Department of defense can't recover your data


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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: InvaderShroom]
    #14253052 - 04/07/11 01:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Go with DBAN: Darik's Boot And Nuke

http://www.dban.org/

Bootable CD that has several different options for a wipe including 0 fill, random, DOD (3pass), DOD (7pass), and GUTMANN (crazy amount of passes).

Really, if you're doing something that you don't want to get caught at or have data you don't want read, it's a better bet to have full disk encryption in the event you get popped.  Turn off the computer with a power strip at your foot.  Then pray they don't freeze spray the ram and try to analyze it for the encryption keys in memory.

Checkout http://www.truecrypt.org/ for virtual encrypted disks and full disk encryption.


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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: InvaderShroom]
    #14253083 - 04/07/11 01:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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InvaderShroom said:
Quote:

ifoundwaldo said:
Jetico BCWipe

http://www.jetico.com/




I would suggest active killdisk. i believe it does a 7 pass erase and write over that even the Department of defense can't recover your data




BCWipe also does a DOD 7 pass erase.

Never heard of DBAN though. That sounds really good.


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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14253089 - 04/07/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Just so you guys know, there's no way to fully remove data from a hard drive short of melting it with thermite.

There have been reports of drives that have 7+ wipes on them, thrown into a river, recovered years later and data taken off them.


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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: Micawber] * 2
    #14253140 - 04/07/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I would take a sledgehammer to the drive and pulverize it into pieces small enough to flush.


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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: anomaly100716]
    #14253260 - 04/07/11 01:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What about just sticking a very powerful magnet on it?


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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: anomaly100716]
    #14253484 - 04/07/11 02:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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anomaly100716 said:
I would take a sledgehammer to the drive and pulverize it into pieces small enough to flush.




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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #14253520 - 04/07/11 02:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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pwnasaurus said:
Just so you guys know, there's no way to fully remove data from a hard drive short of melting it with thermite.

There have been reports of drives that have 7+ wipes on them, thrown into a river, recovered years later and data taken off them.




Thats not true.  You need to use a SEM to look at every bit.

Consider if what you said is true, then a hard drive could theoretically hold an infinite amount of information.  Even more than the entire universe can hold.  But a hard drive is a subset of the universe, thus a hard drive cannot hold an infinite amount of information and thus data can (and must be) removed from a hard drive.


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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: DieCommie]
    #14253649 - 04/07/11 03:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Or drill multiple holes straight through the drive. I work with computers daily for a living and destroy many hard drives. We have recovered info off drives that have been run over by cars, hit with hammers ect...


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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: Country1]
    #14253662 - 04/07/11 03:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Im not sure how running over with a car or hitting with a hammer would destroy the data?  I would expect it not to.


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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: DieCommie]
    #14253667 - 04/07/11 03:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

fdisk, it's been built into dos/windows forever.

the F stands for format.

OR you could use diskpart.exe if you run a newer version of windows.


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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: Shins]
    #14253801 - 04/07/11 03:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Shins said:
fdisk, it's been built into dos/windows forever.

the F stands for format.

OR you could use diskpart.exe if you run a newer version of windows.




Worst advice in the thread. Formatting doesn't get rid of data, it just deletes partitions. All that data is still there and fully recoverable.


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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: Gumby]
    #14254340 - 04/07/11 05:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

thanks all
ill try out theses suggestions
(well hopefully not for real):bouncey:


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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: Micawber]
    #14254367 - 04/07/11 05:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If your concern really is the police, you would be much better off to use TrueCrypt full disk encryption with a dummy operating system as a smokescreen.

Im not sure how much time you think you are gonna have once they start breaking down the door...  Doing multiple wipes will take hours.  Having your disk encrypted ahead of time would be much better.


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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: DieCommie]
    #14254429 - 04/07/11 05:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Anyone confirm/rebuke a powerful magnet on hard drive wiping everything? Doesn't it just pretty much set all of the data to 0's?


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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: twighead]
    #14259686 - 04/08/11 04:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Even if a powerful electromagnet did flip all the bits to a one or zero, if someone REALLY wanted to read the data, they could magnetically analyze the drive to reconstruct the contents.


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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: Micawber]
    #14259754 - 04/08/11 05:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You forgot the most important question.

What is a good program you can use to recover lost data on a hard drive?

Ya know, so you can test out the effectiveness of these programs listed.


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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: lil_demented]
    #14260446 - 04/08/11 07:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You basically need an electron microscope to reconstruct data that has been wiped over.  After a couple wipes, an electron microscope wont even work.

(also consider the size of modern hard drives, and note that each bit needs to be scanned)


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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: DieCommie]
    #14261741 - 04/09/11 02:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

So what you guys are sayin is that data stays on the disc after it has been formatted

Does the old data disappear as I put new stuff on my hard drive?


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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: mellowparty]
    #14261745 - 04/09/11 02:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

http://www.dban.org/

Dariks boot and nuke, will wipe your hard drive and rewrite it with nonsense 32 times over which is up to the department of defense standards.


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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14261833 - 04/09/11 04:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: koraks]
    #14262504 - 04/09/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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koraks said:





Even better:


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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: Gumby]
    #14262538 - 04/09/11 10:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You could keep a pot of boiling lead handy as well... just drop er' in when the cops come :awesome:


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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: twighead]
    #14262585 - 04/09/11 10:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:nothingtoadd: I just wanted to save these links to look at later when i have more time.


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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: phreakod98]
    #14262596 - 04/09/11 10:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

How much cp did you download?


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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: Connor4050]
    #14262668 - 04/09/11 11:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Connor4050 said:
How much cp did you download?



oh none at all:uhoh:

im mostly concerned about sites like this
and related others and how a retarded jury
could easily misinterpret everything if spoon fed by the right DA


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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: Micawber]
    #14262778 - 04/09/11 11:50 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The evidence that you visit sites like this exists on the web and with your isp.  No amount of destructing to your hard drive will change that.

If I was as scared as you about visiting web sites, I would stop visiting the sites.  :shrug:


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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: DieCommie]
    #14262832 - 04/09/11 12:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
The evidence that you visit sites like this exists on the web and with your isp.  No amount of destructing to your hard drive will change that.

If I was as scared as you about visiting web sites, I would stop visiting the sites.  :shrug:



not scared cautious
if you can make yourself safer without to much effort
and you dont-your an idiot in my book

lot of peeps in jail that thought they would be fine
i have yet to see a rule that says im special and above getting caught


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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: DieCommie]
    #14262837 - 04/09/11 12:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You basically need an electron microscope to reconstruct data that has been wiped over.  After a couple wipes, an electron microscope wont even work.

(also consider the size of modern hard drives, and note that each bit needs to be scanned)




No, no fucking no. I mean you could. But no.

When you delete data on a drive it isn't actually deleted. Those sectors the data occupies are flagged as empty- the data remains in place however. When the time comes to write new data, the old data may or may not be overwritten, it just depends if it happens to be chosen as the empty space to be occupied. Software can skim a hard drive, find the files which haven't yet been overwritten, and recover them. As you can imagine, you end up with mixed results. Some files come back whole, some partial, many corrupted beyond use.

Thus, the amount of time since deletion and the amount of use both play a central role in if the data is erased or not. There is of course software that can clean your tracks also.

However, as previously stated, web servers and ISP's keep records too, so you might as well just revel in the fact the internet is HUGE and that unless you win the shit-lottery, you'll probably be fine.

Also, fucking molten lead, wood chippers? For fucking serious people?



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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: blujay]
    #14262860 - 04/09/11 12:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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No, no fucking no.




:rolleyes:  Checking your reading comprehension.  A wipe is writing over data, not flagging as deleted.  Just about everybody in this thread knows the difference.

An electron microscope or similar technique is required to recover data that has been wiped/written over, and it can only recover data a couple of wipes old.


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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: DieCommie]
    #14262908 - 04/09/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
If I was as scared as you about visiting web sites, I would stop visiting the sites.  :shrug:




Or start using a highly anonymous proxy :shrug:

blujay: no I wasn't being serious, but if you had a woodchipper it would work damn well for destroying a hard drive.


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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: Gumby]
    #14262935 - 04/09/11 12:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

As would the molten lead :smilingpuppy:

:seriousbusiness:


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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: Gumby]
    #14263329 - 04/09/11 02:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Bodhi of Ankou said:
http://www.dban.org/





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koraks said:





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Gumby said:





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Re: hard drive eraser [Re: Shroomism]
    #14263754 - 04/09/11 04:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

^thanks ima go with that

redundancy:thumbup:


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