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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: Pareidolia]
    #14252628 - 04/07/11 11:26 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Depends on the species. I'm not a big fan of it for cubensis. The gourmet growers use it more.


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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: anonjon]
    #14252639 - 04/07/11 11:28 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Me too, stopped using it for cubes.


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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: Pareidolia]
    #14252650 - 04/07/11 11:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

SPENT coffee grounds are an awesome source of
nutrients. it will increase your yields exponentially,
BUT will also increase your risks of contams, as
wet coffee will grow contams very fast if it is
exposed to them before full colonization.
i have also stopped using it though, at least in
my bulk sub, i still use it in my soak and simmer.


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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: Fungal growth]
    #14252659 - 04/07/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I soak my wbs in weak coffee seams to be :thumbup:

Stays out of my substrates and spawn. I had a bit of a contam problem with it and coir  took out the coffee mean green was gone :shrug:


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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: trekie]
    #14252834 - 04/07/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

use worm castings...has the nitrogen boost you want plus benefical microbes...which are contam fighters


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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: penhed]
    #14252877 - 04/07/11 12:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I would let my mix sit so that contams could germ, pc for 2 hrs, & still not be 100% so I quit using them.


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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: Fungal growth]
    #14253059 - 04/07/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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SPENT coffee grounds are an awesome source of
nutrients. it will increase your yields exponentially,




Exponentially! Awesome! If it's exponential, then I should go back to using it. Apparently I wasn't doing it right.


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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: anonjon] * 1
    #14253127 - 04/07/11 01:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I would let my mix sit so that contams could germ, pc for 2 hrs, & still not be 100% so I quit using them.




You're not supposed to sterilize bulk substrates.  Doing so leads to an increased rate of contamination. Besides, mold spores are killed by temps above 135F, so allowing them to germinate is a non-issue.  Your problem was sterile procedure during or after inoculation.

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use worm castings...has the nitrogen boost you want plus benefical microbes...which are contam fighters




Worm castings are in no way, shape, or form the equal of coffee grinds as a food source for fungi, and it's not just about nitrogen. There are many other compounds as well in a good supplement, coffee having over 200.  Mushrooms are not plants.  Disregard NPK when dealing with fungi.

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Depends on the species. I'm not a big fan of it for cubensis. The gourmet growers use it more.




Small amounts of spent coffee grinds of the nature of 5% to 10% will increase yields by 25% or more.  Commercial growers may be more successful at making it work then cubensis growers because of their higher level of experience and attention to detail, coupled with a refusal to cut corners.

Advising one to avoid coffee grinds despite the benefits, is like telling a kid to keep his tricycle forever because switching to a bicycle might cause him to skin his knees as he learns something new and more challenging.
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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: anonjon]
    #14253138 - 04/07/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hmm...I have a monotub colonizing right now w/ coir/coffee/verm/gypsum as substrate...I thought coffee grounds would increase yield by a ton? But people here are saying they don't use them? I thought coir/verm by itself would only yield 1-2 flushes and not really yield that much? So what SHOULD be used in place of spent coffee grounds?


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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14253148 - 04/07/11 01:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I don't see coir/coffee beating out straight horse manure any time soon.


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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: anonjon]
    #14253165 - 04/07/11 01:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I don't see coir/coffee beating out straight horse manure any time soon.





Not everyone has access to horse shit...lol


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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: chopstick] * 1
    #14253172 - 04/07/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Everyone in the United States does. Problem isn't access, it's willingness and motivation.


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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: anonjon]
    #14253231 - 04/07/11 01:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I have been debating on using horse poo and coffee grounds for my next bulk grow.  I think I might go with the coffee grounds simply because I have leftover ones and I won't have to go gather the poo. 

I had contamination issues with horse poo last time I tried it.  I must not of pasteurized sufficiently.


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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: Pareidolia]
    #14253405 - 04/07/11 02:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Coffee ground has it all; minerals, phosphorus, proteins and cellulose.

Its mildly acidic, has some PH buffer capacity, average PH of 6.9.

As for contams, its pretty safe and fantastic considering to how loaded it is with nutrition.

Coffee ground is just awesome...


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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: ManicMongrel]
    #14253488 - 04/07/11 02:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Last time I used spent coffee grounds with my coir substrate, I removed 2 handfuls of coir for the top layer and mixed the coffee in with the rest. I used 5 jars of spawn, one brick of coir, 2 quarts of vermiculite, 4.5 quarts of water and a cup of coffee grounds. With a high ratio of spawn to substrate, it only takes a couple of days for intended mycelium to take proper hold of the substrate, and with no coffee in the top layer, the straight coir acts like a shield against new contaminants as mold spores refuse to germinate on it. It worked for me several times. As I am not a coffee drinker, I don't use it much... But I did notice a denser pin set with no noticeable size decreases. Simple and effective.


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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: Microppose]
    #14253574 - 04/07/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Are spent tea leaves a good substitute for coffee grounds?  I personally am more of a tea drinker than coffee.

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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: M11]
    #14253789 - 04/07/11 03:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

18 gallon tub at 46 hours.  3 quarts spawn, 3 quarts sub.  40p hpoo, 40p coir, 10p verm, 5p coffee, 5p gyp

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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14253864 - 04/07/11 03:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I was actually mixing them in with the grain jars. It wasn't enough to bog down the grain. It was more like the grain was "seasoned" with them. Then I was also cooking the grain in diluted coffee. I was also doing this at 3,500ft elevation which made the mycelia grow slow as hell which would have made them more prone to contamination. The cultures that didn't contaminate were great fruitters. Honestly the only bulk runs I've done successfully have been with live compost.

So was I then simply using the grounds wrong? I mean the thread that made me start using them even had petri dishes enriched with it. Was it the elevation? I mean could that have been enough to lose 10f at 15psi?


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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #14254146 - 04/07/11 04:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

M11, tea is great for growing mushrooms. You can even put the full tea bag with the paper into the substrate.

I´m doing some trials growing oysters in 100% coffee grounds used directly from a coffee shop (no pasteurization but used the same they they passed through the coffee machine) and although i got contams in some bags, it looks promising

Here a picture of the oysters growing on the coffee grounds:



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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: BlueGrower]
    #14254203 - 04/07/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Sweet.  Thanks for the info BlueGrower.  +5 :mushroom2: for the nice grow.

How much coffee grounds could you get away with in a quart jar of grains?  I usually just soak and simmer the rye grain with dilute coffee -some coffee grounds end up in my jars, but not many.  I was wondering if you could do a 1:4 ratio of coffee grounds to grain.  I would think if you added gypsum like you should (maybe 2 teaspoons per quart jar) it would prevent clumping of the coffee grounds and rye. 

This would prevent any contaminant concerns with coffee grounds, because they would be sterilized with the rye.  It would also be a very easy way to introduce coffee grounds into your substrate.  It would spawn right in with the grains. 

What say you?


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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: M11]
    #14254652 - 04/07/11 05:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

To address a few points from above:

Coir is the equal of horse manure for cubensis.  Add coffee to the coir and it's superior.  I have horses and cows, so use that, but when I lived in Seattle, I used coir.  Use what you have available.

Tea leaves are no replacement for coffee grinds.  They come from a totally different plant.

Use liquid coffee in grains.  Using coffee grinds will slow performance.  Coffee grinds are a bulk substrate additive.

Adding coffee grinds to a bulk substrate won't increase yield by a ton unless you're growing five or six tons.  They'll add 20% to 30% if used properly.

Always properly pasteurize bulk substrates which include coffee.  Proper pasteurization means heating the hydrated substrate until it's 140F/60C at the center and then holding it there for 90 minutes.  Spawn when cool.
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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14255213 - 04/07/11 07:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I Love when RR shows up and saves us from bad information


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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: Karate_donkey]
    #14255486 - 04/07/11 08:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I Love when RR shows up and saves us from bad information




"Nitrogen supplements in general use today includes corn distiller’s grain, seed meals of
soybeans, peanuts, or cotton, and chicken manure, among others. The purpose of these
supplements is to increase the nitrogen content to 1.5 percent for horse manure or 1.7
percent for synthetic, both computed on a dry weight basis."
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EFFECT OF ORGANIC NITROGEN SUPPLEMENTATION IN PLEUROTUS SPECIES.

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The nitrogen content of mycelium ranges
between 3 to 6%. Cereal straw used for cultivation of oyster mushroom is a poor source of nitrogen (0.5 to 0.8%) and at the time of fructification when most of the nitrogen is utilized for mycelial
growth, the depleted nitrogen in the substrate becomes inadequate and limits mushroom yield. In the present studies seven different organic nitrogen sources: wheat bran, rice bran, soybean floor, de-oiled soybean meal, mustard cake, cotton seed cake and cotton seed meal were evaluated for
their effect on mushroom yield. Cotton seed cake and de-oiled soybean meal gave significantly higher yield than unsupplemented bags. Mustard cake supplemented bags gave the lowest yield,
which obviously was due to its anti-fungal properties. Cotton seed cake and de-oiled soybean meal were further evaluated – on a 1, 2.5, 5, 7.5 and 10 % per dry wt. basis, to find out the minimum dose for optimum yield. Cotton seed cake - 2.5%, 5%, 7.5% and 10% - gave similar yields although significantly higher than 1%. However, 1% soybean meal was found the best, and all higher rates of supplementation gave lower yields. It could thus be concluded that addition of 1%
de-oiled soybean meal and 2.5% cotton seed cake are the optimum doses for these supplements to enhance the yields of P. ostreatus var florida. Their supplementation also gave higher dry matter than unsupplemented bags.


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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14255507 - 04/07/11 08:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"Coir is the equal of horse manure for cubensis"

really ? i wasnt aware coir possesed beneficial microbes ...


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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: cyantific]
    #14255631 - 04/07/11 09:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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"Coir is the equal of horse manure for cubensis"

really ? i wasnt aware coir possesed beneficial microbes ...



or that coffee/coir was superior??


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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: cyantific]
    #14255665 - 04/07/11 09:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

you know the same microorganisms that thrive off of nitrogen ...


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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: penhed]
    #14255676 - 04/07/11 09:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

yeah , i guess in my shit-tons of experience not ... always thought hpoo and its perfect balance of nitrogen and microorganisms were the best ... certainly seems so ... tired of all the flip flop bs im hearing


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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: cyantific]
    #14255706 - 04/07/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"Coir is the equal of horse manure for cubensis"

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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: cyantific]
    #14255712 - 04/07/11 09:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i with you bro...


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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: penhed]
    #14256435 - 04/07/11 11:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Oh my!:eek: that's alot of input.. Thanks too all of you for the info! This has became UBER helpful and I will definitely take some of your guys advice! I hope this has helped many others as well :smile:
I think I may try acouple of different ideas and see what works best.. I'll try to put up a grow log of some tubs with coffee and with out in the near future!


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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: Pareidolia]
    #14256885 - 04/08/11 02:03 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah well Horse shit isn't as contam resistant IMO


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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: anonjon]
    #14257829 - 04/08/11 10:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)


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Quote:

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SPENT coffee grounds are an awesome source of
nutrients. it will increase your yields exponentially,




Exponentially! Awesome! If it's exponential, then I should go back to using it. Apparently I wasn't doing it right.



maybe. fuck if i know.
maybe you missed something.


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Re: Coffee Grounds worth it? [Re: Fungal growth]
    #14257855 - 04/08/11 10:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If you were to simmer some coffee grounds for 30 minutes, pour out the water, and then use those grounds in your coir/verm/gypsum substrate, could you just pasteurize the grounds with your coir/verm/gypsum via the boiling water tek?


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