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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: communeart]
    #14499926 - 05/23/11 04:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I'm not high.

Seriously you need to refine your definition of "puppet".  It doesn't mean what you seem to think it does.

Pakistan is miles and miles away from being our puppet.  If it was our puppet we wouldn't have had to sneak around behind its back to whack ObL.


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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14499936 - 05/23/11 04:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Ok, so explain to me how we are kept in this crap where i believe everyone outside the us is a goddamn puppet. and you. believe that you do not control them enough, who is responsible? the media? i don't have a television.

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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: communeart]
    #14499983 - 05/23/11 04:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I cannot possibly explain your ignorance since I have no idea what abysmal shitbags have been responsible for your education.  Some ridiculous institution in Outer Canuckistan, no doubt.

Not for nothing, sweetheart, but those Human Rights Councils are downright fascist.


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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14501068 - 05/23/11 08:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I cannot possibly explain your ignorance since I have no idea what abysmal shitbags have been responsible for your education.  Some ridiculous institution in Outer Canuckistan, no doubt.

Not for nothing, sweetheart, but those Human Rights Councils are downright fascist.



well, i cannot but say the same about the institutions who were responsible for your education, and those human rights council are pretty much pro-western in general.

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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: communeart]
    #14503677 - 05/24/11 10:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Their mere existence is anti-Western.  They are a disgrace.  In particular this scumbag MOHAMED ELMASRY has used it to harass free speakers who criticize his 6th century religion.


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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: communeart]
    #14507425 - 05/24/11 10:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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communeart said:
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I cannot possibly explain your ignorance since I have no idea what abysmal shitbags have been responsible for your education.  Some ridiculous institution in Outer Canuckistan, no doubt.

Not for nothing, sweetheart, but those Human Rights Councils are downright fascist.



well, i cannot but say the same about the institutions who were responsible for your education, and those human rights council are pretty much pro-western in general.




what do you base your claim that 'those human rights council' are pretty much 'pro-western in general' on?


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communeart said:
I am asking for your definition of an empire




Where exactly did you do that?  You asked a bunch of seemingly irrelevant questions about the soviet union and ronald reagan.  You did not back up your claim that the US is an empire or imperial in nature.

What does my definition of an empire have to do with anything?  For what its worth, I'd regard an empire as a group of states under the common control or defacto sovereignty of one or more seperate and distinct states that exert plenary authority over their affairs, especially when the subordinant states came under the dominant states control involuntarily and are administered for the economic benefit of the dominant state..

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clearly, everything i have just enumerated just seems to have nothing to do with an empire, that I personally define as using economic and military power to influence world events in other countries, usually in own's favor, any form of economic(such as sanctions)  or military threats is imperialism from my viewpoint .




This section isn't entirely clear, but the notion that empire is a state that uses economimc and miliatary power to influence world events seems silly.  What do you base this claim on?  Military threats and ecnomic sanctions constitute imperialism?  Again, this seems an entirely manufactured definition having no similarity with the common meaning of the word.

The Free dictionary says, generally, that an empire is:  1.
a. A political unit having an extensive territory or comprising a number of territories or nations and ruled by a single supreme authority.
b. The territory included in such a unit.


This is in line with my understanding and seems completely removed from what you've described.

Clearly,in your opinion,  funding weapons to saddam hussein  to fight iran is not imperialism. defending koweit the phony state, from iraq is not imperialism , even if koweit was always a part of iraq for a long fucking time. your side of the argument keeps telling us palestinian is just a regional identity not a national one, well fuck koweit then. and you cannot look at lebanon in order to understand that the united states  israel keeps on trying to divide countries in two pieces, and you americans of the left can't get it this is what's going on in lybia.

Well fuck, what is an empire if it is not trying to dominate people, and how blind can you be to claim all of the above makes no sense as to how to control large number of population including muslims arpoun

Lebanon is a nice country based on a very strong spirit of cooperation between different faith though. at least it is the image it projects.



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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: johnm214]
    #14511206 - 05/25/11 06:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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what do you base your claim that 'those human rights council' are pretty much 'pro-western in general' on?



nothing at all to be honest, and sorry for my general harsh tone in the post above, i was drunk or angry or something. I will try to focus.

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This section isn't entirely clear, but the notion that empire is a state that uses economimc and miliatary power to influence world events seems silly.  What do you base this claim on?  Military threats and ecnomic sanctions constitute imperialism?  Again, this seems an entirely manufactured definition having no similarity with the common meaning of the word.

The Free dictionary says, generally, that an empire is:  1.
a. A political unit having an extensive territory or comprising a number of territories or nations and ruled by a single supreme authority.
b. The territory included in such a unit.



I looked up wikipedia, they say it is variously defined
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An empire is a state with politico-military dominion of populations who are culturally and ethnically distinct from the imperial (ruling) ethnic group and its culture[3] — unlike a federation, an extensive state voluntarily composed of autonomous states and peoples.



which is why that i believe it is any state involved in imperialism. imperialism defined like this
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Imperialism, as defined by 'The Dictionary of Human Geography, is "the creation and maintenance of an unequal economic, cultural, and territorial relationship, usually between states and often in the form of an empire, based on domination and subordination."



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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: communeart]
    #14514681 - 05/26/11 11:13 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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communeart said:

I looked up wikipedia, they say it is variously defined
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An empire is a state with politico-military dominion of populations who are culturally and ethnically distinct from the imperial (ruling) ethnic group and its culture[3] — unlike a federation, an extensive state voluntarily composed of autonomous states and peoples.



which is why that i believe it is any state involved in imperialism. imperialism defined like this
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Imperialism, as defined by 'The Dictionary of Human Geography, is "the creation and maintenance of an unequal economic, cultural, and territorial relationship, usually between states and often in the form of an empire, based on domination and subordination."







Name one equal economic or cultural relationship between states.


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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: JT]
    #14516550 - 05/26/11 05:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I'd like to see them run Huntsman. I'd vote for him as he's pretty middle of the road.

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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: JT]
    #14525939 - 05/28/11 11:24 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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let's see... from the cbs/wsj poll, here are the big guys
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/04/06/wsjnbc-poll-a-donald-trump-surprise/

romney AGAIN
donald trump (the fuck?)
huckabee AGAIN
newt gingrich (okay, maybe)
palin AGAIN


yeah so there's the competition. 3 previous failures who couldn't even come close to winning the party's nomination in 2008 and are pretty much blowhards. trump? that guy's a joke, the people voting for him are insane.

gingrich is...well, not ideal and probably doesn't have the force to win, but he's probably the best shot.

but really, if they want any chance in taking out obama, the republicans will need to come up with someone better than that. it's just rehashed shit right now that obama already beat in 2012. and ron paul not even included in the poll, not that he had a chance anyways.



You forgot to mention Ron Paul who's campaigning to bring back what this country was built upon, the Constitution.


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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: DrGreenThumb865] * 1
    #14535022 - 05/30/11 09:48 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

zappaisgod is a FOX worshipping sheep who loves getting raped by the government and believes the media when they attack Ron Paul with lies. He also loves the Patriot Act, which means he hates the 4th ammendment, which means he hates freedom.

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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #14535096 - 05/30/11 10:10 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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zappaisgod is a FOX worshipping sheep who loves getting raped by the government and believes the media when they attack Ron Paul with lies. He also loves the Patriot Act, which means he hates the 4th ammendment, which means he hates freedom.




I don't watch FoxNews.  I don't watch any TV news shows.  Only retards get their information from a visual medium.  I didn't even know he was being attacked. 

What I know about Ron Paul is from................. you guys.  :rofl2:  And a good bit of research on my own.


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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14535172 - 05/30/11 10:28 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

http://m.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/05/secret-patriot-act/

As far as the patriot act...I found that very worrying/interesting.

But stop tryin to force your ron paul viewpoints on everyone dude. Debate with some intelligence rather than name calling. Like, the past 4 threads I've opened in this forum are just you personally attacking zappa over his ron paul beliefs. It's annoying.

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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: JT]
    #14535217 - 05/30/11 10:41 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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JT said:
http://m.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/05/secret-patriot-act/

As far as the patriot act...I found that very worrying/interesting.

But stop tryin to force your ron paul viewpoints on everyone dude. Debate with some intelligence rather than name calling. Like, the past 4 threads I've opened in this forum are just you personally attacking zappa over his ron paul beliefs. It's annoying.




I'm attacking myself?

How am I forcing anything on anybody else? 

The seeming problem mentioned by Wyden involves the Obama administration applying an interpretation that he doesn't like and which didn't exist before Obama.  I agree that Obama is vastly more creative than any previous administration regarding legal niceties.  There is a simple remedy for that.  It's called "clearer legislation".


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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14535271 - 05/30/11 10:53 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Auto-reply fail. That was meant for led zeppelin.

clearer legislation...yeah that would be nice. Good thing we have "the most transparent government ever"

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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #14535311 - 05/30/11 11:05 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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zappaisgod is a FOX worshipping sheep who loves getting raped by the government and believes the media when they attack Ron Paul with lies. He also loves the Patriot Act, which means he hates the 4th ammendment, which means he hates freedom.





Okay, that's enough of that crap.

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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: johnm214]
    #14536763 - 05/30/11 04:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Led Zeppelin said:
zappaisgod is a FOX worshipping sheep who loves getting raped by the government and believes the media when they attack Ron Paul with lies. He also loves the Patriot Act, which means he hates the 4th ammendment, which means he hates freedom.




john, how many times I gotta tell ya... dont talk to the banned guy

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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14537910 - 05/30/11 09:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

So...

'Bout that sarah palin

Think she's gonna stop this whole harley davidson roadtrip thing and  announce her candidacy?

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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: JT]
    #14581518 - 06/08/11 07:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:grin:*cough* Weiner *cough* :wink:


Lookin' goooooooooooood :failboat:


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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: PassiveAgressive]
    #14582152 - 06/08/11 09:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

weiner is a dem though... (should i say, was a dem?)

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