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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: JT]
#14468364 - 05/17/11 03:08 PM (13 years, 5 days ago) |
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Hopefully what we get will be somebody like Daniels who is generally uninterested in the so-called "Conservative" social putsch.
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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: JT]
#14485650 - 05/20/11 05:45 PM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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JT said: I'm not sad to see huckabee go, and romney is no shock really. He's a smooth talker with physical appeal and he has a boatload of cash to promote himself unfortunately.
On a good note, from what I hear fox has been pushing pawlenty, daniels, and the other lesser-known candidates more than him lately. I don't watch fox/read their site often though so maybe I heard wrong.
Some people are arguing that the GOP needs to support these liberal conservatives in order to pull enough dems away from obama, but I think that risks fracturing the republican party too much right now. A strong "old-school" conservative without the 'progressive' baggage would unite the GOP and carry much more weight with the independents though. Hopefully that's what we get.
aren't liberal conservative anyone but ron paul? there is no old-school conservative in my eye except him
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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: communeart]
#14496623 - 05/22/11 10:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/ those interested in Dr. Paul, but have some quarms may really appreciate Gary Johnson.
His executive experience and fiscal small government record is not matched by any other candidate.
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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: nalyudi]
#14497227 - 05/23/11 01:09 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nobody's going to vote for some pothead from New Mexico, bro.
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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#14498134 - 05/23/11 09:01 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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what sets me back with ron paul is mostly his stance on abortion. what are the reason why normal conservative are scared of him, is it mostly foreign policy?
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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: communeart]
#14498313 - 05/23/11 10:17 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mostly.
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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: zappaisgod]
#14498387 - 05/23/11 10:37 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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*hmph* I'm getting desperate about americans, it seems 50% of them are psychopaths or something, no wonder they get all those school shootings and serial killers.
What are the protocols to follow for a terrorist? put him in the back of your car and shoot him in the head. that's what mein fuhrer glenn beck said. and nobody seems to get it. Ron paul would let us legalize drugs in canada even if he was opposed to it. and they wonder why people hate america. it's like even the electorate deserves scorn. it's when you break this illusion that the american people is good but the leaders are bad. that you get very desperate, it makes people outside america suicidal when they realize the true nature of america. there is definitly no hope with that empire.
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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: communeart]
#14498405 - 05/23/11 10:41 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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communeart said: what sets me back with ron paul is mostly his stance on abortion. what are the reason why normal conservative are scared of him, is it mostly foreign policy?
I'm a dyed-in-the-wool liberal and it's his foreign policy that scares the shit out of me.
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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: communeart]
#14498430 - 05/23/11 10:46 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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communeart said: *hmph* I'm getting desperate about americans, it seems 50% of them are psychopaths or something, no wonder they get all those school shootings and serial killers.
What are the protocols to follow for a terrorist? put him in the back of your car and shoot him in the head. that's what mein fuhrer glenn beck said. and nobody seems to get it. Ron paul would let us legalize drugs in canada even if he was opposed to it. and they wonder why people hate america. it's like even the electorate deserves scorn. it's when you break this illusion that the american people is good but the leaders are bad. that you get very desperate, it makes people outside america suicidal when they realize the true nature of america. there is definitly no hope with that empire.
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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: Madtowntripper]
#14498435 - 05/23/11 10:46 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah but you support foreign intervention in lybia .
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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: communeart]
#14498448 - 05/23/11 10:49 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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communeart said: Yeah but you support foreign intervention in lybia .
I supported intervention in Libya during the critical period, when it could have actually effected change.
When Obama made his announcement that the US would be involved, I said...
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I can't, for the life of me, figure this one out.
The Libyan Gov't has more or less won. They've recaptured all the rebel territory with the exception of one city, the rebel military forces are collapsed and in disarray, and the government has almost completely reasserted it's authority.
And NOW military action is authorized? It makes no sense to me at all.
The time to do this was two weeks ago, when a show of any kind of interest from the outside world could have spelled the end of Ghadaffi.
This is way too late.
I stand by that as being unequivocally correct.
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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: Madtowntripper]
#14498508 - 05/23/11 11:07 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well, the point is probably do destroy the lybian identity, and create somalisation of lybia.
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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: communeart]
#14498546 - 05/23/11 11:20 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I couldn't disagree more. Not everything is a vast global conspiracy.
The point was to assist the Libyan people in the earnest desire to rid themselves of a murderous dictator.
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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: Madtowntripper]
#14499015 - 05/23/11 01:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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The point was to assist the Libyan people in the earnest desire to rid themselves of a murderous dictator.
but what is going on right now however, clearly is putting a side of the population on the side of gaddafi and the other half on the side of the rebels, if this conflict last for too long and with many cease fire, it will end up splitting lybia in two, which would make it much easier to control from the perspective of the united states empire.
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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: communeart]
#14499140 - 05/23/11 01:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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communeart said:
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The point was to assist the Libyan people in the earnest desire to rid themselves of a murderous dictator.
but what is going on right now however, clearly is putting a side of the population on the side of gaddafi and the other half on the side of the rebels, if this conflict last for too long and with many cease fire, it will end up splitting lybia in two, which would make it much easier to control from the perspective of the united states empire.
And how is the united states an empire? People say this kinda thing a lot, then pages later equivocate and claim they were using a top-secret very special definition of empire that has nothing to do with the standard concept expressed by the word.
What do you back your claim up with?
The US has been one of the least imperialistic of the large powers in many ways.
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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: johnm214]
#14499308 - 05/23/11 02:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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? so how was soviet russia an empire then. why did ronald reagan dare call it an empire. how about all the comprador puppet dictators in north africa and the middle east? how about all the new puppets getting in place right now.
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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: communeart]
#14499533 - 05/23/11 03:04 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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communeart said: ? so how was soviet russia an empire then.
What does it matter? You made the claim, back it up. The ability or inability of me to explain any other issue is besides the point.
Soviet Russia was an empire because it conquered countries itself or with proxy states and administered them for the enrichment of the more powerful state, Russia, including the seizure of labor, material goods, and land.
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why did ronald reagan dare call it an empire.
What does it matter?
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how about all the comprador puppet dictators in north africa and the middle east? how about all the new puppets getting in place right now.
What does it matter?
I'm sorry, but you don't seem to have answered the direct question or defended yoru claim at all. instead, you've asked a bunch of questions of me that seem to have no clear relevance to anything at all. I repeat the question
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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: johnm214]
#14499776 - 05/23/11 03:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I am asking for your definition of an empire, clearly, everything i have just enumerated just seems to have nothing to do with an empire, that I personally define as using economic and military power to influence world events in other countries, usually in own's favor, any form of economic(such as sanctions) or military threats is imperialism from my viewpoint . Clearly,in your opinion, funding weapons to saddam hussein to fight iran is not imperialism. defending koweit the phony state, from iraq is not imperialism , even if koweit was always a part of iraq for a long fucking time. your side of the argument keeps telling us palestinian is just a regional identity not a national one, well fuck koweit then. and you cannot look at lebanon in order to understand that the united states israel keeps on trying to divide countries in two pieces, and you americans of the left can't get it this is what's going on in lybia.
Well fuck, what is an empire if it is not trying to dominate people, and how blind can you be to claim all of the above makes no sense as to how to control large number of population including muslims arpoun
Lebanon is a nice country based on a very strong spirit of cooperation between different faith though. at least it is the image it projects.
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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: communeart]
#14499778 - 05/23/11 03:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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communeart said: ? so how was soviet russia an empire then. why did ronald reagan dare call it an empire. how about all the comprador puppet dictators in north africa and the middle east? how about all the new puppets getting in place right now.
You might want to ask that question of the Poles, Romanians, Latvians, Bulgarians, Czecks, Yugos, Albanians, Ukrainians, Georgians.
Puppets? What ever are you babbling about? Are you really that crazy to think that those governments are US puppets? Do you even know what the word "puppet" means. Those people aren't our friends. Never have been.
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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: zappaisgod]
#14499797 - 05/23/11 04:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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You might want to ask that question of the Poles, Romanians, Latvians, Bulgarians, Czecks, Yugos, Albanians, Ukrainians, Georgians.
Puppets? What ever are you babbling about? Are you really that crazy to think that those governments are US puppets? Do you even know what the word "puppet" means. Those people aren't our friends. Never have been.
but what bout pakistan, when georgie called to tell him he was either with us or against us, i mean with america or against america ( it's a fucked up psychological thing for all white people to think they have something to do with america, or that somehow terrorism is against them too). direct threats like this is not imperialism. how does that matter? what is the relevance? i mean come on, you guys are just fucking with me because you're just as high as i am or something.
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