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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: millzy]
    #14356178 - 04/26/11 04:42 PM (13 years, 26 days ago)

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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: millzy]
    #14359703 - 04/27/11 06:20 AM (13 years, 25 days ago)

> palin/trump would be a dream come true, and not because i'd vote for them.

It is going to take more than a dream come true to get your messiah of change elected again.


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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: Seuss]
    #14360261 - 04/27/11 09:42 AM (13 years, 25 days ago)

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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: Seuss]
    #14360557 - 04/27/11 11:02 AM (13 years, 25 days ago)

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> palin/trump would be a dream come true, and not because i'd vote for them.

It is going to take more than a dream come true to get your messiah of change elected again.




I really don't think so.  I'm probably one of the more ardent Obama supporters here and I don't think his election is anything like an amazing long-shot.  The economy is turning, the Republicans have a good year or so of painful infighting, and attempting to maintain the momentum of tea-party politics for that long will be a challenge.

The divides in the Republican party between the Tea Party faction and the Rationalist faction are much deeper than surficial, and I can seriously envision a split-party by the end of the primaries.


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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #14360627 - 04/27/11 11:21 AM (13 years, 25 days ago)

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> palin/trump would be a dream come true, and not because i'd vote for them.

It is going to take more than a dream come true to get your messiah of change elected again.




I really don't think so.  I'm probably one of the more ardent Obama supporters here and I don't think his election is anything like an amazing long-shot.  The economy is turning, the Republicans have a good year or so of painful infighting, and attempting to maintain the momentum of tea-party politics for that long will be a challenge.

The divides in the Republican party between the Tea Party faction and the Rationalist faction are much deeper than surficial, and I can seriously envision a split-party by the end of the primaries.



The economy is turning?  Dude, 4/20 was last week.  It is horribly fucked and not improving at all.

If you think that the entrenched spendthrift Republicans are the Rationalist wing you have gotten much crazier in the last few weeks.  And no matter how divided they may seem they are clearly and irrevocably united against the commie cunt currently in office.


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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14360647 - 04/27/11 11:25 AM (13 years, 25 days ago)

Sure they do, because they haven't really started running against each other yet.

And I mean turning on a relative note.  A year ago the fear was of an imminent complete collapse of the US economy.  Do you still worry about that, in the short term?

Manufacturing, Up.

Jobs, Up.

Unemployment, Down.  Etc, etc.


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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #14360681 - 04/27/11 11:33 AM (13 years, 25 days ago)

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Sure they do, because they haven't really started running against each other yet.

And I mean turning on a relative note.  A year ago the fear was of an imminent complete collapse of the US economy.  Do you still worry about that, in the short term?

Manufacturing, Up.




Nowhere near enough and any improvement is the result of a weak dollar
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Jobs, Up.




Jobs aren't even increasing enough to keep pace with population gains.  I believe we currently have the smallest percent of the population in the workforce since women started joining it in a real way.
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Unemployment, Down.  Etc, etc.




Fudged unemployment is down because they don't count real unemployment.  Like people who have run out of benefits or given up looking or the self employed. 

Housing prices are dropping again, the construction industry is completely in the toilet, gas prices are through the roof, food prices are getting there, S&P just changed it's US Dollar outlook to negative.

No, pal, it isn't getting better and I think it has already gone on for much longer than any other recession I have been through.


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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14360693 - 04/27/11 11:37 AM (13 years, 25 days ago)

Again, the economy, one year ago, was tottering on the brink of complete and total collapse.

Better now, or worse?

I'm sorry that the turnaround has not been miraculous enough to suit your impatience.


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #14360738 - 04/27/11 11:49 AM (13 years, 25 days ago)

> Better now, or worse?

Worse.  Much worse.  It is actually starting to collapse rather than tottering on the brink.

> I'm sorry that the turnaround

From my seat, there has been no turn around.


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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14360741 - 04/27/11 11:50 AM (13 years, 25 days ago)

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Sure they do, because they haven't really started running against each other yet.

And I mean turning on a relative note.  A year ago the fear was of an imminent complete collapse of the US economy.  Do you still worry about that, in the short term?

Manufacturing, Up.




Nowhere near enough and any improvement is the result of a weak dollar
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Jobs, Up.




Jobs aren't even increasing enough to keep pace with population gains.  I believe we currently have the smallest percent of the population in the workforce since women started joining it in a real way.
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Unemployment, Down.  Etc, etc.




Fudged unemployment is down because they don't count real unemployment.  Like people who have run out of benefits or given up looking or the self employed. 

Housing prices are dropping again, the construction industry is completely in the toilet, gas prices are through the roof, food prices are getting there, S&P just changed it's US Dollar outlook to negative.

No, pal, it isn't getting better and I think it has already gone on for much longer than any other recession I have been through.





And you told me to get to work! :lolsy: Seriously Zappa, you did do well in motivating me to try some things I've never even contemplated before. Thankyou for this.


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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #14360772 - 04/27/11 11:59 AM (13 years, 25 days ago)

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Again, the economy, one year ago, was tottering on the brink of complete and total collapse.




No it wasn't.  No more than it is now, anyway.
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Better now, or worse?




Probably worse with gas prices and a double dip in the housing market.
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I'm sorry that the turnaround has not been miraculous enough to suit your impatience.




There has been no turnaround.  What would be miraculous is if the idiot in the White House would stop destroying business and the economy with his commie pronouncements.  The latest charade against Boeing is just one of the better examples.  Shell abandoning Alaska's North Shore because assholes are worried about greenhouse gas emissions from an ice breaker and how they will affect a village of 240 people 70 miles away.  The continuing and illegal job killing moratorium on Gulf oil production.  The assault against states' attempts to get rid of illegal immigrants, a job the federal government says is theirs and only theirs but which they won't perform.


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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: PassiveAgressive]
    #14360783 - 04/27/11 12:02 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

No matter what the economy is doing individuals need to do what they must for themselves.  Whining is not the answer, nor is believing that the overall economy is getting better and waiting for it to hit you.


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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14360795 - 04/27/11 12:06 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14361024 - 04/27/11 01:11 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

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Probably worse with gas prices and a double dip in the housing market.






a lot worse.

debt ceiling so high we're at the brink of default, but we can't borrow more because china is threatening to dump 2/3 of its bonds and other bond firms already have.

the fed is getting ready to end their QE2 program and return rates, which means more expensive loans to an economy that can barely afford them. maybe this will help with the rampant inflation (hello, %6 devaluation of the dollar in the past year!) but it's going to hurt.

bush and obama's policies have pushed us to the brink. we're stuck between a rock and a hard place. the world is thiiiis close to turning its back on us. we weren't nearly so bad off a year ago.

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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #14363048 - 04/27/11 07:11 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

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Sure they do, because they haven't really started running against each other yet.

And I mean turning on a relative note.  A year ago the fear was of an imminent complete collapse of the US economy.  Do you still worry about that, in the short term?

Manufacturing, Up.

Jobs, Up.

Unemployment, Down.  Etc, etc.




The dollar hit a 3 year low today, this is far from over. Pumping trillions into the economy will get some jobs and parts of the economy going, but it's doing it at the expense of the dollar which drives up commodity prices like oil.

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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14363052 - 04/27/11 07:13 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

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No matter what the economy is doing individuals need to do what they must for themselves.  Whining is not the answer, nor is believing that the overall economy is getting better and waiting for it to hit you.




we actually agree on something for once. Out of curiosity, who would you most support in 2012?

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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14365584 - 04/28/11 07:39 AM (13 years, 24 days ago)

You know how many assholes will run just to take votes from Paul?

Many people are too ignorant to see that is exactly what is going on.

Even if a guy stands no chance at winning election at all, he will still run just to take the votes, that's why there is no Republican or Democratic party, they are all but a bunch of pieces of the same machine.

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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: teknix]
    #14365992 - 04/28/11 09:42 AM (13 years, 24 days ago)

United we stand, divided we fall. On that note, there doesn't seem to be as much of a divide amongst the voting community here on the shroomery as there is out in the, to quote Margarret Attwood, "pleeblands."


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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: PassiveAgressive]
    #14366048 - 04/28/11 09:59 AM (13 years, 24 days ago)

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United we stand, divided we fall. On that note, there doesn't seem to be as much of a divide amongst the voting community here on the shroomery as there is out in the, to quote Margarret Attwood, "pleeblands."



What makes you think the Shroomery isn't "Pleebland"?

The Shroomery is mostly leftist, as one would expect in a community of mostly younger people, but there are also plenty of members with other ideologies.  Not everybody here is young, dumb and full of cum.


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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14366076 - 04/28/11 10:11 AM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Right. Yet, they don't seem to be as against common sense as the general comunity, at least where i am. Here they are comprised mostly of extreme right-wing Baptist fanatics. I'm waiting for them to come for me. It's just me and my hap-kido.


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