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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: JT]
    #14273960 - 04/11/11 06:06 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Rush Limbaugh for president!



i'd take him before trump. then jump ship.

although idk how bad trump would actually be.  he does know how to make money. maybe he is the man to help us settle our deficit? sarcasm



He is a serial bankrupt who was born on third base and thought he hit a triple.  He has screwed more people Xaviera Hollander.


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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14276730 - 04/12/11 06:56 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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His name is NOT almost completely absent the mainstream media.  The constant plaint is false.  He gets more mentions than either Daniels or Pawlenty.




I agree.  He is not ignored and wasn't ignorred.  Their was a time right at the begining of the primary season where he was unreasonably ignored, such as when he was refused an invite to the Fox mini-interview/debate over lesser-polling candidates, but it wasn't entirely unthinkable for the media to presume the enthusiasm over him was an online phenomena that wouldn't translate into votes.  As we saw: this wasn't true (unless your one of the Paulbots who beleived the hype that 'he could win' and all that nosense simply because internet polls showed him doing very well).

For whatever reason, certain people seem to blame any disagreement with their opinion on some "mainstream media" conspiracy.  I think its ridiculous and a bit arrogant: seems to suggest the person think the only possible way someone could disagree with them is for someone to be ignorantly manipulated by the "mainstream media" which is conspiring to mold people's views.

The hubris revealed by such an attitude is really striking, all the more so since the people who breathlesly hype such things seem to have a relatively poor understanding of politics, history, et cet (much like the people who consider any lack of enthusiastic adulation for "free energy" or "green energy" nonsense to be a result of ignorance yet themselves generally lack even first year physics knowledge).


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Did any of you guys see the Bill O'reilly / Donald Trump interview? It was horrible... Donald was coming up with his political positions as the questions were being asked, he doesn't know what he really believes.




lol, yeah


I do have an attraction to candidates like that though: people who are such a long shot or so written-off that they tend to be more truthful (in my reckoning) than the usual politician who says practically nothing except vague platitudes for token concepts, i.e. education, children, environment, fairness, jobs, blah blah blah.  People like Trump, Ron Paul, Kuccinich, Al Sharpton, and so forth can be refreshing to listen to, especially in debates with mainstream candidates: at least they will say what they believe, specifically, at times.  (I was surprised how much I found myself agreeing with Sharpton during the 2004 Democratic debates, for example- none of the mainstream candidates would say anything of substance)

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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: JT]
    #14280579 - 04/12/11 09:19 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

My money would be they'll run either Romney or Gingrich. Of course, Trump said today that if the Republicans don't pick him, he'll run as an independent. If so, the '12 elections will sure be interesting.

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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14306915 - 04/17/11 03:02 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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If it's not indicative of the voting population how come every time he runs for Pres he gets clobbered in the primaries?




because he doesnt have the support of them mainstreem media. they fucking excluded him from a debate!

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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #14306930 - 04/17/11 03:04 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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If it's not indicative of the voting population how come every time he runs for Pres he gets clobbered in the primaries?




because he doesnt have the support of them mainstreem media. they fucking excluded him from a debate!



No Republican or conservative has the support of the MSM.  He's a fucking buffoon.  You Paulbots need to find another excuse.


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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14307227 - 04/17/11 03:54 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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If it's not indicative of the voting population how come every time he runs for Pres he gets clobbered in the primaries?




because he doesnt have the support of them mainstreem media. they fucking excluded him from a debate!



No Republican or conservative has the support of the MSM.  He's a fucking buffoon.  You Paulbots need to find another excuse.




Ever  heard of FOX News? dumbass.

so what about ron paul upsets you? getting rid of the federal reserve, IRS? Ending the war on drugs? war in the middle east. yeah, hes the devil

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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #14307762 - 04/17/11 05:28 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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If it's not indicative of the voting population how come every time he runs for Pres he gets clobbered in the primaries?




because he doesnt have the support of them mainstreem media. they fucking excluded him from a debate!



No Republican or conservative has the support of the MSM.  He's a fucking buffoon.  You Paulbots need to find another excuse.




Ever  heard of FOX News? dumbass.




I don't want to break your bubble, pumpkin, but FoxNews is a tiny slice of the MSM.  Tiny.
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so what about ron paul upsets you? getting rid of the federal reserve, IRS? Ending the war on drugs? war in the middle east. yeah, hes the devil




He's an isolationist idiot.  I have no problem with the Fed.  Only a moron would get rid of the tax collection agency.  The war on drugs is stupid but it is a windmill tilt he uses to get immature irresponsible sophomores to support him.  We need to fight against people who declare war on us (Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, not Libya).  Ron Paul is a fucking irresponsible moron who I wouldn't trust with an occupied baby stroller.


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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14307920 - 04/17/11 05:54 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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I have no problem with the Fed.




:rofl2:

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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14318652 - 04/19/11 05:21 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

How is he isolationist when he supports free trade?

Recall that trade isolationism is what wreaked havoc on the world economy during the great depression.

Your idea of isolationism means "not bombing the shit out of other people...":lol:

The American people are becoming increasingly suspicious of the federal reserve, you are out of touch...

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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #14318682 - 04/19/11 05:30 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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How is he isolationist when he supports free trade?





He's not, zappa just keeps saying so.  I believe he means to say he's a noninterventionist, from my understanding of his position.  I suspect that doesn't sound terrible enough.  Isolationist has a nice archaic buffoonish ring to it, which fits with his depiction of Paul.
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If it's not indicative of the voting population how come every time he runs for Pres he gets clobbered in the primaries?




because he doesnt have the support of them mainstreem media. they fucking excluded him from a debate!



No Republican or conservative has the support of the MSM.  He's a fucking buffoon.  You Paulbots need to find another excuse.




Ever  heard of FOX News? dumbass.







Led Zeppelin:  This is not appropriate discourse for this forum.  Namecalling is not permitted.  Violators must watch Palin interviews and score 85% or better on a test of her positions or they may no longer post in the political forum.

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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: johnm214]
    #14318723 - 04/19/11 05:38 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Paul wants to disengage.  That's isolationist.


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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14318760 - 04/19/11 05:48 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Deciding to stop military occupation is not isolationist, it is the cessation of hostility.

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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: Mr.Al]
    #14318774 - 04/19/11 05:52 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

That isn't the only manifestation of his isolationism.  He is also a trade isolationist.


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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14318783 - 04/19/11 05:54 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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That isn't the only manifestation of his isolationism.  He is also a trade isolationist.





How is he a trade isolationist?

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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: Mr.Al]
    #14318821 - 04/19/11 06:00 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

He is against trade agreements.  He thinks they are against free market principles.  That may well be correct but it is irrelevant to the real world.  There are no potential or real trade partners who would accept his requirements.  Unless Ron Paul becomes the EMPEROR OF THE WORLD his requirements for US activity are isolationist.  Also stupid and childish and pretty much why he appeals to simpletons so much.


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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14318827 - 04/19/11 06:02 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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He is against trade agreements.  He thinks they are against free market principles.  That may well be correct but it is irrelevant to the real world.  There are no potential or real trade partners who would accept his requirements.  Unless Ron Paul becomes the EMPEROR OF THE WORLD his requirements for US activity are isolationist.  Also stupid and childish and pretty much why he appeals to simpletons so much.





So you admit to being a liar?

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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: Mr.Al]
    #14318843 - 04/19/11 06:04 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Nope.  Ron Paul is an isolationist.


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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14318847 - 04/19/11 06:04 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Unless you can find some Martians for him to trade with.


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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14318883 - 04/19/11 06:10 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Unless you can find some Martians for him to trade with.





Ron Paul is even against using trade sanctions.

Once again you are a liar and not even a very effective liar at that...

Attempting to peg a free market economist as isolationist = FAIL!:lol:

BTW folks, Peter Schiff & Ron Paul have been calling the economic situation right for years (while explaining exactly why they were right) because they are students of Austrian economics.

mises.org F.T.W. nothing else even comes close.

Edited by Mr.Al (04/19/11 06:19 PM)

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Re: the republican candidates are looking good for 2012 [Re: Mr.Al]
    #14318940 - 04/19/11 06:19 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Unless you can find some Martians for him to trade with.





Ron Paul is even against using trade sanctions.

Once again you are a liar and not even a very effective liar at that...

Attempting to peg a free market economist as isolationist = FAIL!:lol:




If he can't find another absolutist to trade with he can only trade with his navel, Al.  Like you.  Isolationist Martians.


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