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A question about mycelial strings
    #14252032 - 04/07/11 08:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I have a jar which, I guess due to putting too much spore solution originally/incompetence fruited outward all over the place into the sides of the jar.  I know I have to harvest these mushrooms sooner rather than later and the cake will be destroyed in the process.  Looking at the jar, there are some strings of mycelium coming out of the cake into the sides which appear the proper color at first, but when pressed against the jar take on a watery, translucent appearance, which disturbed me.  Could this be bacterial contamination or some other form, or is it just a visual trick?  I need to know what is going on because I would never use those mushrooms if there was a chance of them being contaminated by bacteria/mold/rotting.  Please respond ASAP.

Also, how long can those type of mushrooms survive being squished against the jar before rotting or whatever?  How soon must I harvest this jar?


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Re: A question about mycelial strings [Re: S.T.E]
    #14252067 - 04/07/11 08:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

pics

also, your jar is not necessarily ruined nor are the mushrooms necessarily a problem

so post some pics


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Re: A question about mycelial strings [Re: S.T.E]
    #14252189 - 04/07/11 09:26 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Believe it or not, other than basic use of the web, I'm very primitive with technology.  I don't have either the equipment (I think) or the knowledge to post pics of my jar, which I know makes it difficult for people to advise me.  Is there any way people could diagnose this thing with the stringy stuff based on their own observations without pics?

Also, how could I save the jars if I have all this stuff growing into the sides and bottom of the jars?

I know I'm very primitive with this, but its very important to me to get this resolved ASAP.  Thanks in advance for everyone's help.

Edit:  wait, I do have Iphoto and Photo Booth, but this is a very new computer and I don't know how to use either because as I said I'm a neanderthal with this stuff.  I'm guessing thats the programs I should use if I want to post pics?

Further Edit: Wow, I think I know what happened, but I don't know what to make of this either.  Apparently, the huge amount of mushrooms growing into the sides of the jar made enough room on the sides such that when I watered the cake too much (I had forgotten to water it for around two days) water went down around the cake rather than inside it, there is still some water visible at the bottom of the jar outside the cake, and I imagine that is why mycelial strings appear watery when pressed against the jar.  Does anyone know how I should respond to this or if there is any danger of contamination here?  I'm a newbie and I don't want to hurt myself.


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Re: A question about mycelial strings [Re: S.T.E]
    #14252808 - 04/07/11 12:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Basically, can excess water that finds its way to areas around the cake cause or be involved in any contamination or other problems?


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Re: A question about mycelial strings [Re: S.T.E]
    #14252853 - 04/07/11 12:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Excess water is a problem, but if you have uncolonized spots in an otherwise complete jar, it is likely a contam of some sort.


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Re: A question about mycelial strings [Re: Doc_T]
    #14252872 - 04/07/11 12:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

So you are watering your colonizing jars? Seems like your asking for contams to me.


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Re: A question about mycelial strings [Re: munchiegreen]
    #14253086 - 04/07/11 01:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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munchiegreen said:
So you are watering your colonizing jars? Seems like your asking for contams to me.




^This

Why are you watering your jars?!


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Re: A question about mycelial strings [Re: S.T.E]
    #14253185 - 04/07/11 01:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You misunderstand.  I'm not watering uncolonized jars, its in the fruiting stage.  I'm using the simplest PF Tek where the colonized cakes remain in their original jars because its simpler and I'm new.  I was watering the colonized cakes and casing soil on top.  What has happened is that shrooms have grown into the sides in such abundance that there was resulting space where too much water went down on the sides.


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Re: A question about mycelial strings [Re: S.T.E]
    #14253219 - 04/07/11 01:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

How is leaving them in the jars significantly easier than removing them from the jars and putting them on top of a piece of aluminum foil?

You are using a shotgun fc, right?

If so, take them out of those jars.


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Re: A question about mycelial strings [Re: healing]
    #14254553 - 04/07/11 05:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What does a "shotgun fc" approach mean?  What should I be advised to do if I adopt such an approach, and also if I try to rescue the cake while trying to harvest the mushrooms?  No matter what approach, I'd really appreciate knowing what to do.


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Re: A question about mycelial strings [Re: S.T.E]
    #14254576 - 04/07/11 05:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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if the contaminant was removed, would there be any reason not to eat the mushrooms?




There is a translucent-white 'stringy stuff' which is bacteria, but often mistaken for rhizomorphic mycelium by new growers.  If you can't post a pic, you'll never know.

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Believe it or not, other than basic use of the web, I'm very primitive with technology.  I don't have either the equipment (I think) or the knowledge to post pics of my jar, which I know makes it difficult for people to advise me. 




Then expand your horizons and learn to take and post pictures rather than saying you can't do it.  There has to be a kid in the neighborhood who can help you.  Let him show you how to post a picture of your dog or something so you'll know how to post your cakes.
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Re: A question about mycelial strings [Re: S.T.E]
    #14254644 - 04/07/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I suggest you peruse the contamination forum and try to see if you can find something that resembles what u have


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Re: A question about mycelial strings [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14257318 - 04/08/11 07:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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There is a translucent-white 'stringy stuff' which is bacteria, but often mistaken for rhizomorphic mycelium by new growers.  If you can't post a pic, you'll never know.




I'll take up learning that then, but I think I may have figured this one out, let me run it by you.  Once I noticed there was water was in the sides of the jar, I put it in the window to dry it out, and sure enough, the strands appearing to be watery took on a more white appearance, like the others.  Would this rule out the bacteria you talked about, or is that still possible?


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Re: A question about mycelial strings [Re: S.T.E]
    #14257438 - 04/08/11 08:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Having stagnant water sitting against your cakes is going to invite bacterial growth.

Take the cakes out of the jars.


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Re: A question about mycelial strings [Re: PulseEden]
    #14257462 - 04/08/11 08:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, looking at the jars again, I'm not sure what it is, it could be either.  So can this bacteria also be caused by improperly colonized jars?  Both of them I have fruiting had a couple tiny areas which didn't fully colonize in the case of the one in question, and the other only partially colonized.

Okay, if I take them out of the jars, what should I do with them?

Everybody, thanks for your help and patience.


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Re: A question about mycelial strings [Re: S.T.E]
    #14257709 - 04/08/11 09:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

My opinion is start over.
You  have cakes that you can't tell if they are contaminated or not. Why risk your health?
What you need to do is watch the "Let's Grow Mushrooms" video on youtube multiple times. Use the search on this site also!
Then when you think you know enough follow the video to a T (Don't leave anything out just bc "you" thought it would be better).
I know its not what you want to do, but you can't go wrong and it will be worth it in the end.
If there is something questionable in your jars throw it out!
Or post pictures for the trusted cultivators, but you already said you weren't able to.
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