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Greenvalley said:
Have you ever seen the year old bigmac?

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I also could outrun & outlift >90% of people in my general age group. Are the two related?

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superhigh said:
The burgers are cooked with machinery and freeze dried and warmed at the joints

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StaleShrooms said:
I just watched "Food, Inc"

Scary shit. One of the points was basically that we all eat fast food. The method of meat production in this country is set up to serve fast food companies, so the meat you buy at the grocery store is the same shit you get at mcdonalds.

It was a really good documentary. Turned me into a vegeatarian. Two whole days without meat

Seriously I used to laugh at the stupid hippies saying "But its mean to eat animals!" But after watching Food, Inc. I see that they were fuckin right. The meat industry has no respect for life AT ALL. And about the same if not less respect for the workers they employ. It's a really fucked industry.

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superhigh said:
The burgers are cooked with machinery and freeze dried and warmed at the joints.

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StaleShrooms said:
I just watched "Food, Inc"

Scary shit. One of the points was basically that we all eat fast food. The method of meat production in this country is set up to serve fast food companies, so the meat you buy at the grocery store is the same shit you get at mcdonalds.

It was a really good documentary. Turned me into a vegeatarian. Two whole days without meat

Seriously I used to laugh at the stupid hippies saying "But its mean to eat animals!" But after watching Food, Inc. I see that they were fuckin right. The meat industry has no respect for life AT ALL. And about the same if not less respect for the workers they employ. It's a really fucked industry.

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so a propaganda film turned you into a vegetarian, way to buy into the
bullshit. just because they call it a documentary doesnt mean it's not
slanted, most in fact are, they show you what they want you to see just
as any other piece of yellow journalism would

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StaleShrooms said:
I just watched "Food, Inc"

Scary shit. One of the points was basically that we all eat fast food. The method of meat production in this country is set up to serve fast food companies, so the meat you buy at the grocery store is the same shit you get at mcdonalds.

It was a really good documentary. Turned me into a vegeatarian. Two whole days without meat

Seriously I used to laugh at the stupid hippies saying "But its mean to eat animals!" But after watching Food, Inc. I see that they were fuckin right. The meat industry has no respect for life AT ALL. And about the same if not less respect for the workers they employ. It's a really fucked industry.

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so a propaganda film turned you into a vegetarian, way to buy into the
bullshit. just because they call it a documentary doesnt mean it's not
slanted, most in fact are, they show you what they want you to see just
as any other piece of yellow journalism would

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Well they invested in machinery to do it. I read a book on McDonalds and there's several pages that detail their transition from using fresh beef to the freeze drying process. They openly go into detail and even claim that it improves the end product.

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Psychoslut said:
So here is the lesson learned folks.

Food from Mcdonalds and Taco bell is food and is good, but its gross mass produced garbage made to taste good and keep lots of dumb people happy and alive.

This is exactly why You should find your local knuckle dragging primate for a farmer/hillbilly and buy your meat from ME fresh.

Because Ill show you when and how it was killed, why, what knives were used to cut it and exactly how many people are going to die of salmonella.

Of course to learn all of this will cost money, and you would rather spend that at tried and true mcds.

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superhigh said:
Well they invested in machinery to do it. I read a book on McDonalds and there's several pages that detail their transition from using fresh beef to the freeze drying process. They openly go into detail and even claim that it improves the end product.

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I think either the boo gave you bad info or you're mistaking freeze drying
for flash freezing, flash freezing is common in the food industry, it allows
food to be frozen rapidly so that large ice crystals dont form and rupture
cell walls in plants and animal tissues, it helps to preserve that 'fresh'
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So here is the lesson learned folks.

Food from Mcdonalds and Taco bell is food and is good

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Next time you place an order there, try asking them no to put your food in the microwave.

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SamuelLJackson said:
heres a quote from "animal, vegetable, miracle" by Barbara Kingsolver (the quote is from her daughter camille):

"Humans are naturally adapted to an omnivorous diet: we have canine teeth for tearing meat and plenty of enzymes in our guts to digest the proteins and fats found in animals. Ancestral societies in every part of the world have historically relied on animal products for sustenance. Even the ancient Hindu populations of India were not complete vegetarians - though they did not know this. Traditional harvesting techniques always left a substantial amount of insect parts, mostly termite larvae and eggs, in their grain supply. When vegan Hindu populations began moving to England, where food sanitation regulations are stricter, they began to suffer from a high incidence of anemia. Just a tiny amount of meat (even insect parts!) in the diet makes a big difference. Of course, abstaining from meat for relatively short periods for spiritual reasons is a practice common to many societies. During these times, traditionally, we're meant to be less active and more contemplative, reducing our need for the nutrients supplied by animal products."

if the vegetarians and vegans on this board take supplements and claim that they are just fine without meat, theyre kidding themselves.

edit: this isnt really a post directed at anyone, its more or less just some rambling on my opinion of vegetarians and vegans.

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i dunno. its possible but im just speaking from personal opinion.

also, ive never seen a vegetarian or vegan who i have looked at and said "they look really healthy!"

they have no meat on them. they look like vegetables. cold, clammy, and meatless.

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if the vegetarians and vegans on this board take supplements and claim that they are just fine without meat, theyre kidding themselves.

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Lynnch said:
Its not bad because its fast food, its bad because most of it isnt really food at all. Reconstituted potato paste? "meat" with more soy than cow? bleh.
Ok, its not quite the poison its made out to be, Its really cheap food with a jacked up price.  For the same price as one large meal I could bbq a bunch of REAL burgers with less grease and no additives  for my entire house. Food made with love just tastes better.

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i really don't believe in the concept of "junk food." Morgan Spurlock didn't prove shit, he overate, he got fat. thats like jumping in the water and proving you get wet.

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For the most part, no.  Congratulations, you won the genetic lottery.

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i dunno. its possible but im just speaking from personal opinion.

also, ive never seen a vegetarian or vegan who i have looked at and said "they look really healthy!"

they have no meat on them. they look like vegetables. cold, clammy, and meatless.

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Some woman's daughter said vegetarianism is bad. It must be!

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i dunno. its possible but im just speaking from personal opinion.

also, ive never seen a vegetarian or vegan who i have looked at and said "they look really healthy!"

they have no meat on them. they look like vegetables. cold, clammy, and meatless.

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Some woman's daughter said vegetarianism is bad. It must be!

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However, for most people, it is overwhelmingly a cop out. Take me: I used to be moderately (like 30 lbs.) overweight, had a pretty poor diet, & didn't routinely exercise (the only times that I did were usually when I was high, actually.) Was genetics to blame for me being out-of-shape?

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One day nearly three years ago I went cold turkey on all junk food & drink, more or less, & begin to exercise religiously. When I first ran I only made it a little over 1/3 of a mile b4 stopping. By the end of the summer I was doing up to 4-5 mi in one run, & commonly did 7-8 mi a day between two or three separate runs. I went from an out-of-shape 190-195 down to a lean 160 (I'm actually back up to 200-205, but the muscle to fat ratio is far different than it was.)

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So in short, I would find it pathetic if someone who eats a lot of junk & rarely if ever strenuously exercises, were to say that genetics is the difference...

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Me: those who get the recommended amount of fiber & fruits/veggies are much healthier than statistics for the general population.



You: so I keep hearing but I've experienced otherwise

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20 years on a nearly all meat diet and maintained perfect health, most of
that I was eating only one meal per day, my health was perfect
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when I was 16 I was running 5 miles daily, I did 3 days a week of 15
miles. it was a routine I kept for around 5 years.  I was 170lbs and
eating junk food and drinking soft drinks, I dropped the soft drinks, and
junk food, ate mostly meat and non carbonated drinks like coffee and tea
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what healthy people are living to be 200 years old, can you name an ethnic
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eating junk food, exercising and be overweight, cut the junk
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mean by your own admission, you're overweight yet you claim to be healthy

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