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Can you insult yourself?
#14249485 - 04/06/11 07:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Can you do it? What does it mean to be able to do it, or not do it? Why?
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Re: Can you insult yourself? [Re: xFrockx]
#14249557 - 04/06/11 08:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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What do you mean by insult? Like "gee you moron way to go" type verbal insults to self? Or something deeper like sniffing glue?
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Can you say something to yourself that would offend you?
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Re: Can you insult yourself? [Re: xFrockx]
#14249589 - 04/06/11 08:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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No but I do say lots of things that offend lots of other people.
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Re: Can you insult yourself? [Re: xFrockx]
#14249593 - 04/06/11 08:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I could. I would have to zone out. Forget who i am and assume the role of someone who knows everything about me.
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So why can't you offend yourself? Can other people offend you?
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Re: Can you insult yourself? [Re: xFrockx]
#14250090 - 04/06/11 09:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think that to perceive offense, one has to infer anther's emotional intent.
Since you know your own emotional intent, you'd probably have to be pathological to offend yourself, as in hating yourself or something like that.
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LunarEclipse said: No but I do say lots of things that offend lots of other people.
Some of your linked vids are intolerable.
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Re: Can you insult yourself? [Re: xFrockx]
#14250451 - 04/06/11 10:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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For those who missed it, Frocker claimed I never insulted myself. Then I made a bet that I already had and would find such a post. Then he changed the terms of the bet and has followed me around from thread to thread and then started this one.
Not my fault he cannot comprehend what I wrote.
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14244941#14244941
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xFrockx said: It has to be genuine though, if anyone suspects you are just getting through it I win the bet.
That's from the thread where this all apparently started.
The way I read it, you did change the terms of the bet by adding this after the fact. Plus I see no way to adjudicate "genuine".
Either there IS or IS NOT written an OC self-insult somewhere in the Shroomery database. His state of mind (genuine) is impossible to discern so the adjudication has to be based on the words only.
I bring this up because I was apparently volunteered as the arbiter of the bet.
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Re: Can you insult yourself? [Re: xFrockx]
#14250612 - 04/06/11 11:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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when i was in year 7 we had to write letters to ourselves that we got back in year 12.
i wrote something like "i hate you. you are a dropkick and i doubt you will finish school."
probably would have been insulted had i not been expelled before getting it back.
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Re: Can you insult yourself? [Re: quinn]
#14251035 - 04/07/11 12:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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quinn said: when i was in year 7 we had to write letters to ourselves that we got back in year 12.
i wrote something like "i hate you. you are a dropkick and i doubt you will finish school."
probably would have been insulted had i not been expelled before getting it back.

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OrgoneConclusion said:
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LunarEclipse said: No but I do say lots of things that offend lots of other people.
Some of your linked vids are intolerable.
I have expanded my offense from my words to videos. I have heard that a picture is worth a thousand words. This means videos are surely worth millions of words. And have action too. Powerful.
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Re: Can you insult yourself? [Re: xFrockx]
#14251491 - 04/07/11 04:08 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: Can you do it?
Yes. Can you?
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xFrockx said: What does it mean to be able to do it, or not do it?
When I ask myself what the "ability" of insulting myself "means", I get a "meh", it didn't get much of a stir, and then after persisting with the question a bit, a bunch of maybes... "Maybe it means I didn't like myself very much at that moment, because I might have fucked something up or was in a foul mood and wanted to punish myself to either manipulate myself into not doing it again or just because I got some enjoyment out of inflicting hurt upon an individual, Me, who had done wrong." Or, "Maybe it means I was engaging in a modeled behaviour I had witnessed other people doing as I grew up, and through insulting myself I was engaging in familial or cultural rituals which in turn provided Me a sense of order in the world because it was consistent with patterns I had habituated to".
Or if I insulted myself in front of others, then "Maybe it means I felt self deprecation might lighten the mood and get a laugh, setting the precedence that it's ok to laugh and poke fun at ourselves and in turn be flexible about other topics". Or if I was serious about the insult and did it in front of others, then "maybe it means I was after some feedback or reaction from others" or "maybe it means I wanted to show the other person that I was punishing myself thereby enacting some informal justice" or "maybe it means that I engaging in a behaviour that was a habit and wasn't aware of the influence it had on the other person insofar as I wasn't aware that they might respond at all". Or "maybe..."
I could probably squeeze more meaning out of it, but my brain is telling me it wants a rest and my feet agree. My finger-nails on the other hand are being quite recalcitrant and want to come up with more, but there's only so much I can type with one hand.. Ha ha, isn't it funny how easy it is to disassociate from oneself and talk to oneself or parts of the self as if they were someone or something else?!
Now on the other hand, again, what does it mean for other people to be able or not able to insult themself? Hmmm... For people who can, perhaps it means they are more "able", for those who can't, less "able". For people who can, perhaps it has the same meaning as it might have for me in the paragraphs above. For those who can't maybe it means they never learned how or perhaps the ability is innate and there is something psychological blocking them from insulting themselves or themself at that time.
So... What do you reckon it means to be able to do it, or not do it?
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xFrockx said: Why?
Why do I get those meanings? Hmmm... well initially I didn't get much at all and I needed to persist at trying to get meaning out of it. Then when I imagined the situation a bit more and concentrated, then those meanings seemed pop up and make the most sense to me, they resonated with me, they felt right enough or seemed the most plausible with respect to how I see the world. And "why not!" those meanings, hey?! Them's good meanings them is. As good as anything else you might see around these parts, uh huh.
So, now... Why do you think?
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Re: Can you insult yourself? [Re: Mufungo]
#14251513 - 04/07/11 04:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Regardless of how self deprecating one is (as opposed to self defecating but that is for another thread) unless one feels insulted from said deprecation one cannot therefore be insulted in a real sense. Of course if I call myself a moron then what will I do say "it takes one to know one" in an angry voice and so on. That may not end well.
Interesting you note how "easy" it is to speak to oneself from different people well I find it scary at times. Lately in particular it is a truly a different person in there that I have no clue what will be said the thought process goes from subconscious to verbal with no middle. It is perplexing but rather amusing as well.
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LunarEclipse said: Regardless of how self deprecating one is (as opposed to self defecating but that is for another thread) unless one feels insulted from said deprecation one cannot therefore be insulted in a real sense. Of course if I call myself a moron then what will I do say "it takes one to know one" in an angry voice and so on. That may not end well.
So according to the same logic, if OC was to say "You are really such a fucking idiot for saying what you just said and not demonstrating your understanding better than the average retard", and you weren't insulted at all. Then OC wouldn't have been insulting at all in that instance, is that right?
[Note: the words and the character of OC are completely fictional and do not represent the thoughts or actions of any person or persons, any resemblance is completely coincidental and wasn't the intention of the author.]
But the whole self deprecating thing can get interesting responses from others. Once a girl I know got really upset by me "insulting" myself, because she believed that I was deeply insulting myself regardless of me assuring her that I meant it as a joke and wasn't serious. I think she thought I was doing psychological damage to my subconscious self esteem or something like that. I don't know, maybe I was. Who was right, I'm not exactly sure? 
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LunarEclipse said: Interesting you note how "easy" it is to speak to oneself from different people well I find it scary at times. Lately in particular it is a truly a different person in there that I have no clue what will be said the thought process goes from subconscious to verbal with no middle. It is perplexing but rather amusing as well.
Scary when I do it, scary when other people do it, or scary when you do it? Can't say I've been scared by it myself, well not yet, I hope never, thank Gosh! But I hear what you're saying, it can be difficult for some people. But I see that difficulty still as the effects that make it difficult, not that the act in itself was difficult.
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Re: Can you insult yourself? [Re: Mufungo]
#14251578 - 04/07/11 04:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Further to the self deprecating thing... I reckon I can still insult myself without being insulted by my insult, if that makes sense. The verb tense makes the difference. And the initial question was "Can you insult yourself?" not "Can you be insulted by yourself?"
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#14251596 - 04/07/11 05:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mufungo said: Further to the self deprecating thing... I reckon I can still insult myself without being insulted by my insult, if that makes sense. The verb tense makes the difference. And the initial question was "Can you insult yourself?" not "Can you be insulted by yourself?"
If your self esteem is in the toilet anyway what difference will it make if you call yourself a moron? But I catch your drift...
And no not really scary it's comforting to have a friend to "talk" to...and he seems OK at times.
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Yeah, I don't do the self deprecating thing that much these days, but I put that down to hanging with different crowds where that type of humour isn't appreciated. But with the serious insults... Nowadays when I snap out of it and realise I'm having a go at myself, I'll just stop... shake it off and then apologise to myself. Thankfully I'm quite forgiving and I get along with myself much better than when I was younger. It sounds silly, but it's much nicer when I am friendly to myself as opposed to being mean to myself. So on that note, I can appreciate your comments about having a friend to talk to.
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you can be embarrassed, and you can embarrass yourself.
in some situations you may display indignity - that can play out variously - psychodrama.
IMO recover as smoothly as possible, and continue to be basically dignified.
you could say that the event triggers homeostatic adjustment, keeping those adjustments smooth is best.
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