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OfflineKickleM
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Ascension
    #14245479 - 04/05/11 11:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It seems to me that most people are really only interested in going up, while very few are interested in going down. What's this all about? If love is supposed to be higher, can one actually be going up when they fear going down?


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Re: Ascension [Re: Kickle]
    #14245552 - 04/06/11 12:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Reminds me of something Nietzsche said.

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They [philosophers] put that which comes at the end - unfortunately! for it ought not to come at all! - the 'highest concepts', that is to say the most general, the emptiest concepts, the last fumes of evaporating reality, at the beginning as the beginning. It is again only the expression of their way of doing reference: the higher must not be allowed to grow out of the lower, must not be allowed to have grown at all... and in India as in Greece they committed the same blunder: 'We must once have dwelt in a higher world' - instead of a very much lower one, which would have been the truth!

-Twilight of the Idols




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Re: Ascension [Re: NetDiver]
    #14245589 - 04/06/11 12:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Interesting that he talks about it in terms of beginning and end. Sometimes it does feel to me like people are racing towards the finish line, trying so desperately to cross it that an honest look at where one is, is out of the question. A mentality that it has to be perfect, now! I know I've been guilty of it, and likely will continue to be guilty of it over time.


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Re: Ascension [Re: NetDiver]
    #14245591 - 04/06/11 12:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

And that's it you see, we are all climbing so high that when we fall we are so overwhelmed by the things we have ignored and set aside that we lose our minds. Instead of bringing the lower to the higher in a unified manner, we bring about a separation; a duality. It is not about being a wise man or a fool; rather both. The dualistic point of view is one of this social paradigm. We have, over the last few millennia, sought to destroy something in this world or rid the world of it. Whether that has been evil, disease, negativity, ego, selfishness, power, inequality, equality, love, etc., instead of balancing all aspects of it.

You seek so much in these empty words. It is not here that your answers lie my dear being. They lie where you do not seek.


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Re: Ascension [Re: OneU]
    #14245763 - 04/06/11 01:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Given the emptiness of words, you sure use a lot of them. :lol:

And I don't mean that in any aggressive way whatsoever.


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Re: Ascension [Re: NetDiver]
    #14246120 - 04/06/11 04:50 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Burn it all!


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Re: Ascension [Re: Kickle]
    #14246795 - 04/06/11 10:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Kickle said:
It seems to me that most people are really only interested in going up, while very few are interested in going down. What's this all about? If love is supposed to be higher, can one actually be going up when they fear going down?




I'm not sure I buy the idea of ascension as a "going up" so to speak. How I see it, the world is currently in a state of suffering. Ascension would be a change in human consciousness which lessens the suffering on this planet.


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Re: Ascension [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14246958 - 04/06/11 11:28 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, that's pretty similar to how I see it.
Although I'm not convinced that it is possible on a global scale.


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Re: Ascension [Re: Kickle]
    #14247526 - 04/06/11 01:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Didn't Jesus first had to go down to hell before he was able to ascend. It's a copy of some old text, forgotten what, where you first had to step down the 7 or 14 or however many levels into demonic levels, before you would be able to climb the same amount of steps into the heavenly realm.
Globally it is the same, if you can compare it to Bashar's Rubberband Theory. It says the more the world goes down into the dark, a tension will built up. After recognizing the reasons and then the hypothetical turning around of the humans, we have so much energy through all that accumulated tension, that we might bounce far off into the positive realms.


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Re: Ascension [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #14247815 - 04/06/11 02:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Imagine Jesus had the internet. :lol:

:etjesus:


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Re: Ascension [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14249476 - 04/06/11 07:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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c0sm0nautt said:
Imagine Jesus had the internet. :lol:

:etjesus:




He does.

AskRealJesus.com!!!

My favorite material knowledge database :biggrin:


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Re: Ascension [Re: Kickle]
    #14249528 - 04/06/11 07:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Kickle said:
It seems to me that most people are really only interested in going up, while very few are interested in going down. What's this all about? If love is supposed to be higher, can one actually be going up when they fear going down?




Did you watch those vids I posted in the death anxiety thread kickle?  If not I think this one will answer your question. (well some of it)

Skip to 3:40


There's a few more in the series after that which keeps on it.  Super interesting.


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Re: Ascension [Re: Cups]
    #14249664 - 04/06/11 08:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I didn't watch 'em, and yeah, some of it. It seems bizarre that we do this up-down thing on the whole from a death anxiety perspective. Down... down where? Up... up where? Creations, both? Seems weird we would choose directions rather universally as an escape. Probably due to moving the anxiety anywhere but "here"


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Re: Ascension [Re: Kickle] * 1
    #14250429 - 04/06/11 10:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah it was an interesting idea...flying as a death denying thing.  Not sure how far you made it in the video series but they did several experiments and it held up.

I'd be interested in seeing if the effect holds up if the subject is given the option to choose any supernatural power they are interested in.  Day dream about talking to animals or teleportation or whatever then check the death anxiety response.  I bet it would still work.

Anyway, getting back to your original question.  I think "up" is always something out "there"...while "down" is always more of "here".

Seems many of the "masters" hint that "there" is "here" though...

On the other hand I find it interesting that the only creature on earth capable of leaving the planet is the only one seemingly driven to do so.  :strokebeard:


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Re: Ascension [Re: Cups]
    #14250953 - 04/07/11 12:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Haha, your noodle is a cranking these days. I dig your inquiries.


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Re: Ascension [Re: Kickle]
    #14253298 - 04/07/11 01:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What's funny is that the highest is the lowest
The highest most expansive state of existence is the most simple base line of existence

If you focus & bring your mind to most subtle miniscule feeling of just being it opens up the mind into the infinite expansiveness of being

The way out is the way In


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