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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: Kickle]
    #14242439 - 04/05/11 03:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Using your back is necessary. Using it as a career?

We had to be self-sufficient somehow before we had all this mechanical ease or even the knowledge of having a society based on helping each other. If we didn't farm, how could we make dinner for ourselves? I'm merely suggesting that power lyes within the eye of the beholder - you have the ability to make as much money as you want, so find that hidden treasure of yours by using your head if you so choose.

Someone eventually came up with the idea of a handtool - and what's this? Less back-work?


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: Cursive]
    #14242745 - 04/05/11 04:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So what? Someone also invented a nuclear weapon that ended any need for labor for a whole lot of people. Someone also decided that having others do the job and overseeing that labor sounded better than doing labor. And someone else decided, hey, if I pay someone less than what I'm making, but more than what the laborer is making, in order to oversee the laborers, I don't even need to oversee!

I don't see this as a positive trend, even if more money is made and less effort required for certain individuals. Because it typically is maintained by those with money and keeps everyone else somewhere in between. Only occasionally does someone slip through the cracks, even tho tons of people are trying.


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: Cursive]
    #14242768 - 04/05/11 04:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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We had to be self-sufficient somehow before we had all this mechanical ease or even the knowledge of having a society based on helping each other.




Yeah... before the people with the most money were able to buy slaves. They used their "minds" not their "backs". If you want to look at it in the current generation... It's not much different. Money is the root of all evil, it's a saying for a reason. If you won the mega million jackpot today you will NOT be the same person you were before you won. With absolute corrupts absolutely. Would you really donate and help people in 3rd world countries? Or would you buy a few cars, an oversized house, and some hookers I wonder?

Money is not love... as soon as money comes to play people get greedy, selfish, become stuck up, arrogant, etc.

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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: Damkina]
    #14242815 - 04/05/11 04:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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OP,if your IQ is high enough then, why don`t you see through the illusion of this world? :smile:
Answer: because the mind behaves in the same illusionary way.It`s part of the illusion. Conciousness can break through,not the ego.



"The illusion of this world," eh?

Wouldn't the means by which you came to that conclusion also be illusory?


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: 1minutehasgoneby]
    #14243135 - 04/05/11 05:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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So what? Someone also invented a nuclear weapon that ended any need for labor for a whole lot of people. Someone also decided that having others do the job and overseeing that labor sounded better than doing labor. And someone else decided, hey, if I pay someone less than what I'm making, but more than what the laborer is making, in order to oversee the laborers, I don't even need to oversee!




So instead of conjuring up ways to use material in a negative fashion for ones own belief system, why not take responsibility and co-create in a way that effects the world in a spiraling positive manner that allows civilization to function in a more free way of living. I know this isn't how the world works, I'm just saying this is a major fallacy for people, and this is why technology is so inefficient and so slow paced (whether you think it's going slow or fast, it is accelerating nevertheless, and is far from infinite). Nobody's smart, nobody cares to be smart, nobody cares about helping the world find a way to get rid of all these negative impacts on humans. There are many people who DO care, but these people are buckled behind the way of society. Many of these people have horrible mindsets that follow the take-take-take bandwagon of society.

There's always a way to become more self-sufficient and getting more gain to give.

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...Money is the root of all evil, it's a saying for a reason. If you won the mega million jackpot today you will NOT be the same person you were before you won. With absolute corrupts absolutely. Would you really donate and help people in 3rd world countries? Or would you buy a few cars, an oversized house, and some hookers I wonder?

Money is not love... as soon as money comes to play people get greedy, selfish, become stuck up, arrogant, etc.




Money is not the root of evil, humans are - this a misconception by the ego trying to place the blame on an outer circumstance, like the story of Adam and Eve. God can be used for good, and God can be used for evil, just look at religion. Money can be used for great good.

If people let themselves become corrupt so easily due to money, then what a fuckin' world we live in. I'm not the same person I was before I started writing this post, so obviously people need to work on their bad habits if that's all it takes to be greedy and hateful enough that they can't be sensible and giving and instead become an inner person of indulgences. It's not money's fault people want to think so corrupt when they gain money, it's the sub-conscious telling them they haven't fixed a damn thing about the self.

You can try to help other countries, or ordinary people here, but the only thing that will change them is themselves. Otherwise, it just resumes ordinary "yay, free money" and they take. give-take-give-take, where's the change?


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14243159 - 04/05/11 05:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The answer is fairly simple. More education is directly correlated to higher pay. And the more educated a person, then the less they are likely to believe in superstition and paranormal silliness because they understand critical thinking.




:lol: I think you're paranormal.

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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: Cursive]
    #14243343 - 04/05/11 06:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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So what? Someone also invented a nuclear weapon that ended any need for labor for a whole lot of people. Someone also decided that having others do the job and overseeing that labor sounded better than doing labor. And someone else decided, hey, if I pay someone less than what I'm making, but more than what the laborer is making, in order to oversee the laborers, I don't even need to oversee!




So instead of conjuring up ways to use material in a negative fashion for ones own belief system, why not take responsibility and co-create in a way that effects the world in a spiraling positive manner that allows civilization to function in a more free way of living. I know this isn't how the world works, I'm just saying this is a major fallacy for people, and this is why technology is so inefficient and so slow paced (whether you think it's going slow or fast, it is accelerating nevertheless, and is far from infinite). Nobody's smart, nobody cares to be smart, nobody cares about helping the world find a way to get rid of all these negative impacts on humans. There are many people who DO care, but these people are buckled behind the way of society. Many of these people have horrible mindsets that follow the take-take-take bandwagon of society.

There's always a way to become more self-sufficient and getting more gain to give.





I think you're fooling yourself if you think someone who gives what they get can compete in a material world with someone who is only in it for themselves.


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: Kickle]
    #14243511 - 04/05/11 06:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I think you're fooling yourself if you think someone who gives what they get can compete in a material world with someone who is only in it for themselves.




Nah, I'm playing my role here just as fine as anyone else, and could say I've never been happier. You don't have to come to terms with these people to benefit yourself, just chip in and help them out so help will come back to you. There's a lot to gain here knowledge-wise, but I'd rather contribute rather than control. Then again, that's just me. I don't have to stoop down to their level to succeed.

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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14243520 - 04/05/11 06:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The answer is fairly simple. More education is directly correlated to higher pay. And the more educated a person, then the less they are likely to believe in superstition and paranormal silliness because they understand critical thinking.




not everything is explainable. it is the uncertainty in life that makes us question ourselves. based on the individual's education and field, a premise for opinion can be structured. a chemist is far more likely to disbelieve in deities than a chicano studies professor, even though both fields usually require being highly educated scholars. personally, imo, science seeks to answer the unknown because we enjoy, and sometimes thrive, to understand our reality. being in a science related field would greatly increase your likelihood to question the unknown since everything you learned in college taught you to fully understand and engage in what is given to you. having a shred of uncertainty only tickles your balls and laughs at you while you attempt to understand it. so spirituality is given the easiest approach: the logical approach. of course, calculating spirituality is a fallacy in itself because it currently cannot be done.


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: Cursive]
    #14243578 - 04/05/11 06:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I think you're fooling yourself if you think someone who gives what they get can compete in a material world with someone who is only in it for themselves.




Nah, I'm playing my role here just as fine as anyone else, and could say I've never been happier. You don't have to come to terms with these people to benefit yourself, just chip in and help them out so help will come back to you. There's a lot to gain here knowledge-wise, but I'd rather contribute rather than control. Then again, that's just me. I don't have to stoop down to their level to succeed.

"It's not what your country can do for you, it's what you can do for your country."





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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: Kickle]
    #14243644 - 04/05/11 06:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I wouldn't say that, but people today have already jumped into creativity for improving efficiency, what's so wrong with that? Hand tools made it easier to surplus and to gather a bigger population. Green technology is becoming easier to make a more giving environment for energy consumption. People just need to think outside the box.


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: Cursive]
    #14243704 - 04/05/11 07:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What is wrong with people wanting to use as little physical effort as possible to get from life what they need? Nothing, it is completely natural. But it does lead to problems for the species that need solutions when combined with other natural tendencies, like reproducing until the planet has 8 billion people.

What can you do for the country? Don't reproduce.


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: Kickle]
    #14243773 - 04/05/11 07:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm pretty sure Earth can handle 10 billion.

Genesis 1:28
"Further, God blessed them and  God said to them, 'Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it...'"


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: Cursive]
    #14243800 - 04/05/11 07:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I take it you will do what you want for yourself, same as the rest :shrug:


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: Kickle]
    #14243811 - 04/05/11 07:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

lol maybe u should go back and read my posts. it seems you just turned everything i say into counter-productivity.


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14243835 - 04/05/11 07:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The answer is fairly simple. More education is directly correlated to higher pay. And the more educated a person, then the less they are likely to believe in superstition and paranormal silliness because they understand critical thinking.





what i wonder is how you know so specifically the beliefs of each and every individual person you consider "spiritual".

i also wonder what information you have to back up this statement...besides a serious superiority complex and an obvious disdain for those spiritual people. 

what if, when it comes to what "really" matters, spiritual people have a leg up on those like you?

then again, what really matters is going to differ from person to person, so who's to say one has more critical of a way of thinking than another?

and how do you know for sure what people believe in if you've never experienced their life through their set of senses?

i'd say as far as education goes, the more educated you are the more 'conditioned' you are, and a persons intelligence is not directly reflected by the level of education they have completed...you know that, you're smarter than to sound so arrogant when you judge people based on assumptions...


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: desert father]
    #14243867 - 04/05/11 07:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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and how do you know for sure what people believe in if you've never experienced their life through their set of senses?




All the studies done rely on the people's assessment/labeling of themselves, not the researchers opinion or my opinion.

Questions as to church attendance, salary, etc.

Pretty straight-forward stuff.


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: Cursive]
    #14243879 - 04/05/11 07:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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lol maybe u should go back and read my posts. it seems you just turned everything i say into counter-productivity.




I read them the first time. IMO you are just talking about treading water, which is what humanity has been doing all along. Our current technology with a drastically reduced population would not need to worry about environmental conservation :shrug:

We need new technology because we cannot sustain both our desire to be lazy and our population at the same time.


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: Kickle]
    #14243949 - 04/05/11 07:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well obviously one person can't change the planet as easily as it used to be able to be done. What is it you're doing for society other than working? I'm simply making the best of what I have, and give what I can where I feel it is needed. What more can you do?

I could write a book, and probably will deep in the future, but as for me I know that God has one people and I want to help where they are going using the most momentum I can give through love.

I don't want to prop myself up, I don't want to not help raise the conscious of people, but just giving people statements in oneness and donating money to deserving organizations can give more than you think, like a drop in the water that ripples all the way to the edges.

If I'm just treading water, enlighten me on what more I can do to raise the awareness of our brethren.


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Re: Why 'Spiriutal Types' tend to work at low-paying jobs [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14244013 - 04/05/11 07:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i understand, but what i'm saying is that just because you attend church every sunday, that doesn't make you a saint, or spiritual for that matter.

i'd say, and i'm sure you'd agree, that most of your average revivalist christians are probably more misguided and selfish than your average worker without a religious background.

now this opens a can of worms because the real question now is, "who are spiritual and who aren't", and who is to judge that?

i understand that you are referring to polls and assessments, but in my opinion i don't think a poll or rough assessment is sufficient evidence to say someone is more spiritual than the next.

i think that just says that they go to church more than the people with higher paying jobs. there are many different forms of spirituality and even more individuals who interpret their own beliefs different than the person standing next to them at their religious functions.

maybe people who have blind faith in a punishing god are sitting around waiting for their due after years of church attendance, and instead of going out and getting a raise they have faith that god will get it to them?


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