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Music Production question: Vocal Sampling
    #14242755 - 04/05/11 04:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I try to use ableton to do this. How do you completely split vocal tracks from a song?


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Re: Music Production question: Vocal Sampling [Re: Hakim0777]
    #14242808 - 04/05/11 04:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You can only do it with phase cancelation, you need the original and the instrumental version, you will have to warp both in ableton so their perfectly synced and you invert the waveform on the instrumental causing the phase cancelation of all the instuments just leaving the vocals. Wont work real well with mp3 or any compressed audio format, you will get the best results with .wav files and even then it might not be that great


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Re: Music Production question: Vocal Sampling [Re: Hakim0777]
    #14242940 - 04/05/11 04:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

That's pretty clever ^^...
Shits hard, too many intersecting frequencies in an average piece of music to just straight up remove the vocals.

I've heard using the plugin melodyne its possible to completely remove any single element of a track but I've never used it so I don't know.


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Re: Music Production question: Vocal Sampling [Re: twighead]
    #14242958 - 04/05/11 04:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Perhaps i'll have to start using ableton as well (can the samples be exported as .wav?)

So kicks could be sliced cleanly from songs with that plugin?

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Re: Music Production question: Vocal Sampling [Re: Beanhead]
    #14242976 - 04/05/11 05:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

yea ableton exports loops as .wav files.


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Re: Music Production question: Vocal Sampling [Re: Hakim0777]
    #14242981 - 04/05/11 05:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Music Production question: Vocal Sampling [Re: Beanhead]
    #14242985 - 04/05/11 05:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

samples are almost always be able to be exported as a .wav... you should be able to remove a single kick but like I said I've never used the plugin so I can't make any guarantees :tongue: its original function is that of an auto-tuner basically so I'm not really sure on its other applications...

But its downloading right now so I could probably give you a better answer in a bit :awesome:


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Re: Music Production question: Vocal Sampling [Re: STR80180]
    #14243009 - 04/05/11 05:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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STR80180 said:
You can only do it with phase cancelation, you need the original and the instrumental version, you will have to warp both in ableton so their perfectly synced and you invert the waveform on the instrumental causing the phase cancelation of all the instuments just leaving the vocals. Wont work real well with mp3 or any compressed audio format, you will get the best results with .wav files and even then it might not be that great





myself and some friends have tried this method. and it works, but not perfectly.  you will never get a perfectly clean vocal track.  if you do manage to cancel out all the bass and drums out of the track, you will also damage the quality of your vocal track irreparably since bass, drums, guitars, and keyboards because they aren't all on separate and distinct frequencies. they overlap. 

the only way to get a truly clean, perfect acapella vocal track is to get a copy of the original vocal track.  otherwise, its impossible to separate the instruments from a perfect, high quality acapella vocal track from a fully mixed song.  you need the original recordings which is why people like eminem can sample a song like "dream on" by aerosmith for his song "sing for the moment".  he (or his record label) has enough money to pay off aerosmith and their record label to get access to the original tracks recorded for that song.


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Re: Music Production question: Vocal Sampling [Re: twighead]
    #14243017 - 04/05/11 05:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah the problem is music is layered and a sole kick on it's own is hard to slice... (like it has a little sound at the end or beginning which ruins it :lol: -)

oh well that's where EQ'ing comes in


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Re: Music Production question: Vocal Sampling [Re: BoneMan]
    #14243025 - 04/05/11 05:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah I wish I could do that - I'm sure some artists might be chill enough to let you use their tracks if you give them credit and what not - but not many I would imagine would want to make the effort without some sort of reimbursement.


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Re: Music Production question: Vocal Sampling [Re: Beanhead]
    #14243091 - 04/05/11 05:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Spliting drum hits is easy in electronic music especially dance music with dj intros where its just the drum track playing you can easily go in and grab all the individual hits and put them in a sampler. Rock music or anything with a real drum kit is a bit different as its recorded in a vastly different way.

Find a studio acapella or remix stems to get the clean multitrack recordings and remember that a polished turd still smells like shit.

try http://www.remixstems.blogspot.com/ for some multitrack stems


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