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InvisiblePhanodude
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MMT Start-Finish (Pin Phase)
    #14171946 - 03/23/11 06:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Lets get a few things straight off the rip:
MMT= MiniMonoTub
Spawn= WBS Colonized with PE #71 from THE
Bulk=60/40 Coir/Verm*

*Recipe= 130 g's of coir + 1 qt Verm + ~1 qt of water. ( I did add a bit more of each ingredient being as i was doing an additional project.)

So i'm starting my MMT right now. I've got 1 qt of spawn (yeah i know), 130 g of coir, and 1 qt of verm. I threw in a lil more of each ontop of the incriments given because i've got 1 1/2 pt that i'm using to make a small case and fruit in a chamber.

Tub is a 16.7 X 13.3 X 11.3 clear tub. I'll be pasturizing the bulk sub 60/40 coir/verm in a bucket, i think its Damien5050 tek, and the same batch will be used for both projects.  The tub i'm using for the 1/2 pt project is a 1.2 qt container. Any Thoughts/Questions/Comments?

Edited by Phanodude (04/05/11 12:35 AM)

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Re: MMT Start-Finish (Start Phase) [Re: Phanodude]
    #14172828 - 03/23/11 09:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Update:
Coir/Verm Sub = Pasturized
6x Half Pints of WBS Spawn = Mixed With Sub
MMT= 2x Trashbagged and hanging out in a dark, dank climate.

Instead of 2 holes, i put 3x on each long side of the tub, and on the skinnier sides 2, but they are only roughly the size of dimes, 10 Holes in all stuffed with polyfill Sub depth may only be 2-3 inches however :'(.

Questions/Thoughts/Comments?

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Re: MMT Start-Finish (Start Phase) [Re: Phanodude]
    #14172966 - 03/23/11 10:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The success of your holes-setup will be determined by your local waether,
to a large extent.  Just open it up if you can, and watch for drying.

One thing though: the tub-in-bag approach is being challenged these days.
Many growers are seeing faster colonization when some GE is allowed...
...and pretty much everyone agrees that a normal light cycle is good
for colonizing growth.

Good luck,

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Re: MMT Start-Finish (Start Phase) [Re: Javadog]
    #14199235 - 03/28/11 06:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I checked it today because curiousity got the best of me :shrug: .

I am suprised by the results!! I'm at easily 65%+ colonization! Humidity looks perfect and its much further along than anticipated.

Still got a 1/2 pt of fully colonized WBS, so colonized that i cannot break it up without taking it out. Make lc or g2g?

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Re: MMT Start-Finish (Start Phase) [Re: Javadog]
    #14199651 - 03/28/11 07:36 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

"...and pretty much everyone agrees that a normal light cycle is good
for colonizing growth."

meh im still not so sure about that and not ready to subscribe to the theory ... i still think light is an underrated pinning trigger and if jars and subs are darkened until fruiting you get that much more of a light trigger " light shock" if you will ... i dont see the benefits of colonizing in light only fruiting in it ... and of the latter i have definitely seen good production practicing this ... the former , no benefit to be recognized at all ...

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Re: MMT Start-Finish (Start Phase) [Re: Phanodude]
    #14199787 - 03/28/11 07:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

If it's that solid I'd suspect something was wrong with it.

You really can't break it up or that an exaggeration?


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Re: MMT Start-Finish (Start Phase) [Re: anonjon]
    #14199836 - 03/28/11 07:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It IS mycellium i know this. I didnt leave enough space to shake it, and i didnt shake it during colonization. You're not gonna break it up without taking it out the jar.

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Re: MMT Start-Finish (Start Phase) [Re: Phanodude]
    #14199870 - 03/28/11 08:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

the only reason I ask is because bacterially infected jars are real solid. I've never yet encountered a good jar I couldn't break up with some good banging.


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Re: MMT Start-Finish (Start Phase) [Re: anonjon]
    #14199893 - 03/28/11 08:05 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Well i've only shook it, suppose if i got some cardboard stacked up n started beatin it like it owed me i could break it up, i'll try tomorrow n let you know. Pretty certain it is myc though, no doubt in my mind.

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Re: MMT Start-Finish (Start Phase) [Re: cyantific]
    #14199911 - 03/28/11 08:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

cyantific said:
"...and pretty much everyone agrees that a normal light cycle is good
for colonizing growth."

meh im still not so sure about that and not ready to subscribe to the theory ... i still think light is an underrated pinning trigger and if jars and subs are darkened until fruiting you get that much more of a light trigger " light shock" if you will ... i dont see the benefits of colonizing in light only fruiting in it ... and of the latter i have definitely seen good production practicing this ... the former , no benefit to be recognized at all ...




Honestly, I have not done a side-by-side test myself.  I was referring
to what I consider the consensus in our community to be.

I have not hidden my jars in the dark since my second grow, and
have seen more fruits, but this is more likely due to my figuring
some stuff out.

The "light shock" idea is interesting.  ...but the only shrooms
grown in the dark are buttons, and then are not shocked in this way,
that I know. 

Maybe I can find an old experiment thread.  I am sure that this idea
was tested before.

JD

P.S. Hey Anon: grown Reishi yet?  Wow.  It turned into a solid chunk
of tough leather/rubber stuff.  Hard to cut, let alone "break up".


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Re: MMT Start-Finish (Start Phase) [Re: Javadog]
    #14200682 - 03/28/11 09:51 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i wouldnt call it shock so much as "sudden trigger introduction" ... one thing we can all agree on is that light falls somewhere between the 4th and 5th tier in regards to pinning triggers ... consolidation , FAE , loss of moisture / transpiration , temperature drop , being the unanimous forerunners ... each one of those triggers are only present in its life cycle during the fruiting stage ... light is indeed a pinning trigger , this is we can all agree on ... so doesn't it stand to reason that if you want to maximize a "trigger" you would treat it as a "trigger" and not a constant aspect of its life cycle ?

idk ... this has always been my reasoning ... and i have within the last couple years , since this was brought up more in the forums , done some side by side and noticed my subs being much more responsive to lighting when using the darkened jars and tubs ... this goes for length of time before pinning , and overall area of pinning and the even timing of the pins growth with the rest of the grow ...

but all that said its never conclusive enough to make a concrete call on it ... it would take many control groups to do that successfully ... but i truly do believe turning one of your triggers into an ambient constant of its life cycle only helps to take away that benefit when it comes to fruiting time ... measured against an almost imperceptible colonization benefit , i just think saving the light and its trigger benefits for fruiting is the way to go :shrug:

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Re: MMT Start-Finish (Pin Phase) [Re: Phanodude]
    #14239736 - 04/05/11 12:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Beginning pinning phase now. Introducing fanning as much as possible and it has a 12/12 light cycle. Tips?

I have noticed excess moisture on the lid and small beads of moisture on the mycelium. Should i wipe the lid with an alcohol soaked cloth then fan and replace lid?

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Re: MMT Start-Finish (Pin Phase) [Re: Phanodude]
    #14239794 - 04/05/11 12:52 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

as long as the drips on the lid and the small beads from misting are not creating pooling on the substrate, they're fine.

I've been told you want to mist as little as possible during primordia formation... just enough to keep your humidity up. after actual pins form, you can mist a bit more. I'm definitely still new to all this though... hopefully someone backs me up or corrects.

I'll be following along :smile: good luck!

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Re: MMT Start-Finish (Pin Phase) [Re: Primal Call]
    #14239841 - 04/05/11 01:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Either way its too late to turn back. Chalk it up as another learning experience if it goes foul.

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Re: MMT Start-Finish (Pin Phase) [Re: Phanodude]
    #14241436 - 04/05/11 11:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You can wipe the lid or not, no matter. The excess moisture will evaporate over the next couple days. Beads of water on the myc are fine / normal. Just so long as there's no big pools of water. That u would want to dab up. No need for alcohol, just clean paper towel.

If the excess moisture doesn't go away on it's own, you don't have enough air exchange.


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Re: MMT Start-Finish (Pin Phase) [Re: anonjon]
    #14242634 - 04/05/11 04:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well theres water under the trash bag (accumulated from sub), maybe a cm or couple mm's worth, that oughta keep the RH up. The water on the lid was sumfin fierce so I wiped and alcohol'd the lid with paper towel aswell as dabbed up the big pools. I accidently pushed the paper towel n hit the myc, it kinda mushed it which makes me believe its humid enough.

My holes are small and the polyfill is kinda tight, should i take out the polyfill?

Aswell i only had a razor blade to cut the trashbag so its kinda sloppy should i trim that down to the substrate level w/ clean scissors?

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Re: MMT Start-Finish (Pin Phase) [Re: Phanodude]
    #14245740 - 04/06/11 01:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

on the polyfill... it should be as tight/loose as it needs to be to retain your desired humidity. there is no one-size-fits-all solution for this. you just have to tinker with it for your environment/situation. some people remove one, but don't take out all of them.

do you have a fan on in the area? some pictures of the setup would probably help those more familiar with exact specifications keep you reassured.

on the liner, it's probably fine being sloppy if you don't mind the lacking aesthetics. it could be problematic if it's blocking airflow. again, pics would help.

I'm still learning how to dial in my own projects, so please take this lightly. I just like trying to help. I hope I do not provoke harm on your beloved.


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Re: MMT Start-Finish (Pin Phase) [Re: Primal Call]
    #14248746 - 04/06/11 05:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah I wouldn't mess with the bag at this point.


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Re: MMT Start-Finish (Pin Phase) [Re: Primal Call]
    #14249922 - 04/06/11 09:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Feel free to :pm: me with links to a grow log of yours, and i'll pm you pics of my set up. I'm not posting anything on here because it's all a rouse.

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Re: MMT Start-Finish (Start Phase) [Re: anonjon]
    #14258243 - 04/08/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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anonjon said:
the only reason I ask is because bacterially infected jars are real solid. I've never yet encountered a good jar I couldn't break up with some good banging.




I banged that jar and it was pure white before but i noticed what i believe to be a green tint, i'm letting it recover and if it recovers to all myc ima spawn it.

Also, still no pins and i believe is day 4 now.

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