|
Raven Gnosis
𝔰𝔢𝔯𝔭𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔦𝔠𝔦𝔡𝔞


Registered: 02/10/11
Posts: 1,311
Loc: Necoc Yaotl
|
Huffington Post- Monsanto's GMO Corn Linked To Organ Failure, Study Reveals.
#14241326 - 04/05/11 11:24 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Here is an article just published by Huffington Post. The title says it all. When is this shit 'gunna stop...
A million dollars say that nothing will be done on a governmental level and people will ignorantly continue to consume America's poisonous corn...
Huffington Post- Monsanto's GMO Corn Linked To Organ Failure, Study Reveals
For anyone unfamiliar with this debacle... Here is a good movie on the subject.
The Future of Food
-------------------- To be human is to be fettered, to endure what one is, in perpetuum, no matter what the debility or perversity.
|
Seuss
Error: divide byzero



Registered: 04/27/01
Posts: 23,480
Loc: Caribbean
Last seen: 3 months, 8 days
|
Re: Huffington Post- Monsanto's GMO Corn Linked To Organ Failure, Study Reveals. [Re: Raven Gnosis]
#14241997 - 04/05/11 01:44 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
> Here is an article just published by Huffington Post.
The Huffington Post... mouthpiece for that blonde bimbo trying to link autism to vaccinations. Forgive me if I don't take anything the Huffington Post (nothing more than a glorified blog) reports as legitimate.
-------------------- Just another spore in the wind.
|
Raven Gnosis
𝔰𝔢𝔯𝔭𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔦𝔠𝔦𝔡𝔞


Registered: 02/10/11
Posts: 1,311
Loc: Necoc Yaotl
|
Re: Huffington Post- Monsanto's GMO Corn Linked To Organ Failure, Study Reveals. [Re: Seuss]
#14242250 - 04/05/11 02:35 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Well, fuck the huffington post...
It's this that counts:
In the conclusion of the IJBS study, researchers wrote:
"Effects were mostly concentrated in kidney and liver function, the two major diet detoxification organs, but in detail differed with each GM type. In addition, some effects on heart, adrenal, spleen and blood cells were also frequently noted. As there normally exists sex differences in liver and kidney metabolism, the highly statistically significant disturbances in the function of these organs, seen between male and female rats, cannot be dismissed as biologically insignificant as has been proposed by others. We therefore conclude that our data strongly suggests that these GM maize varieties induce a state of hepatorenal toxicity....These substances have never before been an integral part of the human or animal diet and therefore their health consequences for those who consume them, especially over long time periods are currently unknown."
Here is the original article. International Journal of Biological Sciences: A Comparison of the Effects of Three GM Corn Varieties on Mammalian Health
-------------------- To be human is to be fettered, to endure what one is, in perpetuum, no matter what the debility or perversity.
|
badchad
Mad Scientist

Registered: 03/02/05
Posts: 13,379
|
Re: Huffington Post- Monsanto's GMO Corn Linked To Organ Failure, Study Reveals. [Re: Raven Gnosis] 1
#14242826 - 04/05/11 04:38 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
This is really bad news for all the rats that grow and consume Montsanto's GMO corn.
-------------------- ...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge. It is an indellible experience; it is forever known. I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did. Smith, P. Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27. ...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely. Osmond, H. Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436
|
zappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 11 months
|
Re: Huffington Post- Monsanto's GMO Corn Linked To Organ Failure, Study Reveals. [Re: badchad]
#14242995 - 04/05/11 05:03 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Yeah. They're fucked.
--------------------
|
Raven Gnosis
𝔰𝔢𝔯𝔭𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔦𝔠𝔦𝔡𝔞


Registered: 02/10/11
Posts: 1,311
Loc: Necoc Yaotl
|
Re: Huffington Post- Monsanto's GMO Corn Linked To Organ Failure, Study Reveals. [Re: zappaisgod]
#14243564 - 04/05/11 06:41 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
badchad said: This is really bad news for all the rats that grow and consume Montsanto's GMO corn.
 lol. Sure is ain't it.
I don't think it's too far fetched to take into account that consuming a plant that has been genetically engineered to produce BT's, which can and have but are not always benign to mammals, have been found harmful to them, killed their organs. We use mice and rats because they are genetically similar to us, which means it may certainly harm our organs as well...
With Monsanto being the giant it is, it affects the everyday man, given it accounts for the larger part of the agricultural industry. Especially given their genetically modified plants have the potential to poison us and do have the ability to cross contaminate into our normal strains of corn. This is no bueno because of their patented terminator gene which makes a single generation plant with no viable seed. They have the patent to the seed and by law own any plant containing their patented genes. They also have direct ties with government offices and officials. I'd say all that definitely has socio-political implications worth looking into.
Here, once again is a good documentary worth watching on the subject. It touches base with much of the science and socio-politics. The Future of Food.
I'd appreciate at least some intelligent, informed, feed back and discussion on this guys...  G'Night for now.
Edited by Raven Gnosis (04/05/11 06:47 PM)
|
communeart


Registered: 12/04/06
Posts: 1,021
Loc:
Last seen: 12 years, 1 month
|
Re: Huffington Post- Monsanto's GMO Corn Linked To Organ Failure, Study Reveals. [Re: Raven Gnosis] 2
#14243885 - 04/05/11 07:35 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Well do you guys remember the Colony Collapse syndrome that happens with bees? i have the feeling that what is actually going on right now is exactly a very similar phenomenon linked to simple human intervention in the greater biological or chemical whole if you will.
the explosion of mental disorders in our society could also be explained by the same phenomenon, i believe that a certain family of chemicals are blamed for the CCD but i think the real problem is human intervention itself, even the human fabrication of hives must be thought of before, the wild proliferation of such things in the material realm is something to be aware of. Liberals and Conservatives, Everyone in the parliament of the United States, Canada, European Union, Except a few marginal voice, All members support relentless environmental exploitation of mother nature
There is a steep rise in cancer, and of human infertility, all those marginal phenomenons like Hiv adds up to something and it is that we must truly strive to eat healthy, to live healthy, it is a fight against nature to exist and to reproduce ourselves. Monsanto and the general attitudes of such uncaring relationship to nature is exactly what's responsible for every type of pseudo-decadent phenomenon, from suicide, going through random violence, to cancer and the reduction of sperm count in the western world. Our bodies cannot adapt to such transformation, it's just not meant to be that way.
What we should have, is a world of true securitarism(ultra security) in true symbiosis with nature and simple dissuasion from actions. The state must intervene in cases of true destruction of the whole, that is, when monsanto is making any sort of profit, there should be very dire consequences.
Quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center#White_Aryan_Resistance
Quote:
White Aryan Resistance
On November 13, 1988 in Portland, Oregon, three white supremacist members of East Side White Pride and White Aryan Resistance (WAR) beat to death Mulugeta Seraw, an Ethiopian man who came to the United States to attend college.[39] In October 1990, the SPLC won a civil case on behalf of the deceased's family against WAR's operator Tom Metzger and Tom's son, John Metzger for a total of $12.5 million.[40][41] The Metzgers declared bankruptcy, and WAR went out of business. The cost of work for the trial was absorbed by Anti-Defamation League as well as the SPLC.[42] Metzger still makes payments to Seraw's family.[43]
If you cannot see the link between both, then i dunno how to tell you this, but simply because this man's lawyer suck( non-existent) then an unfair sentence was given. 12,5$ million dollar for too many big black lips.
|
Raven Gnosis
𝔰𝔢𝔯𝔭𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔦𝔠𝔦𝔡𝔞


Registered: 02/10/11
Posts: 1,311
Loc: Necoc Yaotl
|
Re: Huffington Post- Monsanto's GMO Corn Linked To Organ Failure, Study Reveals. [Re: communeart]
#14245773 - 04/06/11 01:21 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
communeart said: Well do you guys remember the Colony Collapse syndrome that happens with bees? i have the feeling that what is actually going on right now is exactly a very similar phenomenon linked to simple human intervention in the greater biological or chemical whole if you will.
the explosion of mental disorders in our society could also be explained by the same phenomenon, i believe that a certain family of chemicals are blamed for the CCD but i think the real problem is human intervention itself, even the human fabrication of hives must be thought of before, the wild proliferation of such things in the material realm is something to be aware of. Liberals and Conservatives, Everyone in the parliament of the United States, Canada, European Union, Except a few marginal voice, All members support relentless environmental exploitation of mother nature
There is a steep rise in cancer, and of human infertility, all those marginal phenomenons like Hiv adds up to something and it is that we must truly strive to eat healthy, to live healthy, it is a fight against nature to exist and to reproduce ourselves. Monsanto and the general attitudes of such uncaring relationship to nature is exactly what's responsible for every type of pseudo-decadent phenomenon, from suicide, going through random violence, to cancer and the reduction of sperm count in the western world. Our bodies cannot adapt to such transformation, it's just not meant to be that way.
What we should have, is a world of true securitarism(ultra security) in true symbiosis with nature and simple dissuasion from actions. The state must intervene in cases of true destruction of the whole, that is, when monsanto is making any sort of profit, there should be very dire consequences.
Well said. I couldn't agree more. I live in area where people are typically pretty close to the land and environmentally conscious. So we have been seeing/studying the effects of this problem first hand as well as very clearly documenting climate change. I've never understood why people bother arguing about these things.
-------------------- To be human is to be fettered, to endure what one is, in perpetuum, no matter what the debility or perversity.
|
JT


Registered: 02/28/07
Posts: 7,027
Loc: athens
Last seen: 4 years, 10 months
|
Re: Huffington Post- Monsanto's GMO Corn Linked To Organ Failure, Study Reveals. [Re: Raven Gnosis]
#14246839 - 04/06/11 10:50 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
|
shubrick



Registered: 06/11/10
Posts: 145
Last seen: 3 years, 2 months
|
Re: Huffington Post- Monsanto's GMO Corn Linked To Organ Failure, Study Reveals. [Re: Raven Gnosis]
#14256373 - 04/07/11 11:23 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
didja hear that bees have been observed 'walling off' contaminated sections of their hives? The hypothesis is that they might be detecting some of the pesticides/toxins thought to be killing the colonies.
|
Raven Gnosis
𝔰𝔢𝔯𝔭𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔦𝔠𝔦𝔡𝔞


Registered: 02/10/11
Posts: 1,311
Loc: Necoc Yaotl
|
Re: Huffington Post- Monsanto's GMO Corn Linked To Organ Failure, Study Reveals. [Re: shubrick]
#14257238 - 04/08/11 06:45 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Yes! I did actually. Intelligence...
My friend who runs an all organic farm sent me this. Honeybees 'Entomb' Hives to Protect Against Pesticides, say Scientists
-------------------- To be human is to be fettered, to endure what one is, in perpetuum, no matter what the debility or perversity.
|
johnm214


Registered: 05/31/07
Posts: 17,582
Loc: Americas
|
Re: Huffington Post- Monsanto's GMO Corn Linked To Organ Failure, Study Reveals. [Re: communeart]
#14257333 - 04/08/11 07:32 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
A million dollars say that nothing will be done on a governmental level and people will ignorantly continue to consume America's poisonous corn...
What people?
What should be done? Why should this have anything to do with the government? Interesting that people whine about the govenrment regulations when they allegedly affect their gardens, local whole foods store, choice of foods (raw milk et cet), small producers, and other things, but when something like this is alleged the first thing they do is ask for government to do something. Doesn't that seem a bit odd- especially since the anti-GM people seem to be more likely to be whole foods, raw foods, et cet people that have problems with government regulation.
Seems that these people don't actually have a problem with the government restriction of freedom after all: they just the governmetn to take the freedom of the "right people" and to leave their preferred activities alone- on no basis as far as I can tell. (I guarentee you far more people are sick from raw milk and unregulated small farmers than any of this GM corn nonsense)
Quote:
communeart said: the explosion of mental disorders in our society could also be explained by the same phenomenon
What explosion of mental disorders? What society is this "our society"?
I've not noticed anything or heard of anything suggesting people's mental health is signifigantly changing, let alone seeing an explosion in any problem.
Quote:
Liberals and Conservatives, Everyone in the parliament of the United States, Canada, European Union, Except a few marginal voice, All members support relentless environmental exploitation of mother nature
What evidence do you have of this? This seems a pretty damning claim, especially given how terrible the act is yet how unanimous the opinion for it is.
What do you base this on?
|
LunarEclipse
Enlil's Official Story


Registered: 10/31/04
Posts: 21,407
Loc: Building 7
|
Re: Huffington Post- Monsanto's GMO Corn Linked To Organ Failure, Study Reveals. [Re: Raven Gnosis]
#14257420 - 04/08/11 08:13 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Raven Gnosis said: Yes! I did actually. Intelligence...
My friend who runs an all organic farm sent me this. Honeybees 'Entomb' Hives to Protect Against Pesticides, say Scientists
Interesting about the bees. You mean it isn't cellular phone towers killing them? How novel, an insect that is vulnerable to the pesticide laden corn from Monsanto. The same folks that brought us DDT and Agent Orange and now they are to be trusted with food?
The average person has WAY too much faith that the food they eat is safe. And it's OK folks you keep eating the Nacho Cheese Doritos cause I really don't' care. In fact, I get a kick out of watching dumb fucks poison themselves, even more so when I tell them they shouldn't do that and they ignore me. That really rings my bell. So go ahead all you GMO corn eating sheeple, make my day.
Of course, it is virtually impossible to avoid corn in it's various food forms. IMO the High Fructose Corn Syrup is about the worst thing you can consume. Do some looking into how it is made and how the body has to struggle to metabolize it. Talk about the liver taking a beating, it has to work overtime.
Another horrible food additive is Aspartame (note how the sweeteners are so key). Google Sweet Misery.
Speaking of which, our pals at Monsanto have recently planted some GMO sugar beets in conjunction with the USDA. A Federal Judge (not for long, of course) actually ordered them pulled Out Of The Ground. Wow. So, for now because it wasn't legal for Monsanto to plant them we aren't subject to GMO white sugar.
-------------------- Anxiety is what you make it.
|
johnm214


Registered: 05/31/07
Posts: 17,582
Loc: Americas
|
Re: Huffington Post- Monsanto's GMO Corn Linked To Organ Failure, Study Reveals. [Re: LunarEclipse]
#14257739 - 04/08/11 10:00 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
LunarEclipse said:
Quote:
Raven Gnosis said: Yes! I did actually. Intelligence...
My friend who runs an all organic farm sent me this. Honeybees 'Entomb' Hives to Protect Against Pesticides, say Scientists
Interesting about the bees. You mean it isn't cellular phone towers killing them? How novel, an insect that is vulnerable to the pesticide laden corn from Monsanto. The same folks that brought us DDT and Agent Orange and now they are to be trusted with food?
The average person has WAY too much faith that the food they eat is safe. And it's OK folks you keep eating the Nacho Cheese Doritos cause I really don't' care. In fact, I get a kick out of watching dumb fucks poison themselves, even more so when I tell them they shouldn't do that and they ignore me. That really rings my bell. So go ahead all you GMO corn eating sheeple, make my day.
Ah, reductio ad lambchop, the hallmark of a valid argument 
Quote:
Of course, it is virtually impossible to avoid corn in it's various food forms. IMO the High Fructose Corn Syrup is about the worst thing you can consume. Do some looking into how it is made and how the body has to struggle to metabolize it. Talk about the liver taking a beating, it has to work overtime.
I'm curious about that, could you explain what you mean or provide a source for this statement? What's the difficult-to-metabolize portion? Not fructos, I'd imagine, right?
Quote:
Another horrible food additive is Aspartame (note how the sweeteners are so key). Google Sweet Misery.
I've heard lots of people say this, but nobody seems to be able to back up these claims. People seem to get angry and start calling you names if you dare ask what they base this on. so... what do you base that on? : D
I've looked at some pretty convincing evidence that aspartame has no major problems when used as a food sweetner (reasonable consumption). Certainly seems like if there are particular problems with it they aren't very serious, as it would seem hard for them not to have been caught so far in the studies I've looked at. Aspartame, in my opinion, ranks right up there with water fluoridation in the list of crazy, baseless, public health conspiracy theories alleging serious harm.
Quote:
Speaking of which, our pals at Monsanto have recently planted some GMO sugar beets in conjunction with the USDA. A Federal Judge (not for long, of course) actually ordered them pulled Out Of The Ground. Wow. So, for now because it wasn't legal for Monsanto to plant them we aren't subject to GMO white sugar.
what do you think should be done about GMO food sources? One thing I always thought was strange was that it seems people want to prohibit me from eating things they don't like, or selling it. The arguments seem pretty speculative, and I don't see why anyone should have that right- interesting that its the same government actions that would prevent GMO food that currently restrict raw milk and other things the demographic who hates GMO stereotypically wants.
|
zappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 11 months
|
Re: Huffington Post- Monsanto's GMO Corn Linked To Organ Failure, Study Reveals. [Re: johnm214]
#14258116 - 04/08/11 11:36 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Some years back there was quite the big deal about saccharine that I think mostly went away. Shit is probably all OK but there is one thing I aint too interested in. Olestra. Aside from the fact that i don't really need to worry about the calories of what I eat because I don't eat much, the warning label for Olestra caught my eye when it mentioned one of the side effects was possible "anal seepage". Ummmm, no thanx.
--------------------
|
Raven Gnosis
𝔰𝔢𝔯𝔭𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔦𝔠𝔦𝔡𝔞


Registered: 02/10/11
Posts: 1,311
Loc: Necoc Yaotl
|
Re: Huffington Post- Monsanto's GMO Corn Linked To Organ Failure, Study Reveals. [Re: johnm214]
#14262438 - 04/09/11 10:16 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
johnm214 said:
Quote:
A million dollars say that nothing will be done on a governmental level and people will ignorantly continue to consume America's poisonous corn...
What people?
What should be done? Why should this have anything to do with the government? Interesting that people whine about the govenrment regulations when they allegedly affect their gardens, local whole foods store, choice of foods (raw milk et cet), small producers, and other things, but when something like this is alleged the first thing they do is ask for government to do something. Doesn't that seem a bit odd- especially since the anti-GM people seem to be more likely to be whole foods, raw foods, et cet people that have problems with government regulation
Seems that these people don't actually have a problem with the government restriction of freedom after all: they just the governmetn to take the freedom of the "right people" and to leave their preferred activities alone- on no basis as far as I can tell. (I guarentee you far more people are sick from raw milk and unregulated small farmers than any of this GM corn nonsense)
I definitely don't fit into the category of people in your last paragraph.
I was under the impression that it was the FDA, a governmental institution's, job was to regulate food safety for the masses? Can we expect something to be done when the FDA and EPA are filled with the high-falutin members of Monsanto? I personally don't think so... I wouldn't know where to begin doing something about it, other than studying the science and sharing my findings and educating others, friend.... Do you have any suggestions? I really do like corn and corn products, it would be nice to know that it isn't shutting down my organs and the organs of the people I love.
-------------------- To be human is to be fettered, to endure what one is, in perpetuum, no matter what the debility or perversity.
|
DieCommie

Registered: 12/11/03
Posts: 29,258
|
Re: Huffington Post- Monsanto's GMO Corn Linked To Organ Failure, Study Reveals. [Re: Raven Gnosis]
#14262456 - 04/09/11 10:19 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
I like GM corn. You can advocate and research all you like, and that is great. But dont try to deny me my ability to buy GM corn if I wish. The FDA walks a fine line between ensuring our safety and disenfranchising us from our rights.
|
Raven Gnosis
𝔰𝔢𝔯𝔭𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔦𝔠𝔦𝔡𝔞


Registered: 02/10/11
Posts: 1,311
Loc: Necoc Yaotl
|
Re: Huffington Post- Monsanto's GMO Corn Linked To Organ Failure, Study Reveals. [Re: DieCommie]
#14262471 - 04/09/11 10:22 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
DieCommie said: I like GM corn. You can advocate and research all you like, and that is great. But dont try to deny me my ability to buy GM corn if I wish. The FDA walks a fine line between ensuring our safety and disenfranchising us from our rights.
Atleast label it, ya know? That's really all I want. Grub on, my man.
-------------------- To be human is to be fettered, to endure what one is, in perpetuum, no matter what the debility or perversity.
|
johnm214


Registered: 05/31/07
Posts: 17,582
Loc: Americas
|
Re: Huffington Post- Monsanto's GMO Corn Linked To Organ Failure, Study Reveals. [Re: Raven Gnosis] 1
#14262648 - 04/09/11 11:12 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Raven Gnosis said:
Quote:
DieCommie said: I like GM corn. You can advocate and research all you like, and that is great. But dont try to deny me my ability to buy GM corn if I wish. The FDA walks a fine line between ensuring our safety and disenfranchising us from our rights.
Atleast label it, ya know? That's really all I want. Grub on, my man.
Yeah, I do think it should be labled, or more percisely I think the FDA's regulation stating it does not have to be labled, which almost certainly will prohibit contrary state rules and lawsuits, is wrong.
I don't think its necessarily deceptive to not label GMO-derived products in the abstract, or that GMO status is necessarily a relevant factor, but given the public concern, I do believe it is a legitimate characteristic that should be labled, and that the FDA actions ruling that the products don't have to be labled (and essentially prohibiting states from requiring consumers to know what they're buying) is wrong. (food lables in general are ridiculous- the FDA gives the marketers a license to lie- "fat free!" when it isn't, et cet)
This, in my eyes, is a great example of why government regulation is counterproductive. You ask for government regulation of GMO stuff, but we allready have it, and guess what? They take away the consumers rights rather than give it to them. Before you could have convinced your state to require food lables to have mention of any gmo components, but now you can't. Before you could have sued for false advertisement if the "all natural" words on the lables were false advertising given the gmo status of the product, but now you can't.
Its generally always this way: the regulations are counterproductive. Support freedom and let people make their own choices. I think the GMO scare is stupid and just a result of the naturalistic fallacy, but I support people's right to determine what they want to buy or eat .
|
HippieChick8
seeker of justice



Registered: 06/25/09
Posts: 869
Loc: Texas
Last seen: 9 years, 5 months
|
Re: Huffington Post- Monsanto's GMO Corn Linked To Organ Failure, Study Reveals. [Re: johnm214] 1
#14263004 - 04/09/11 12:48 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
johnm214 said:Quote:
Aspartame, in my opinion, ranks right up there with water fluoridation in the list of crazy, baseless, public health conspiracy theories alleging serious harm.
Fluoridated water is actually a problem for many people:
From Fluoride Action Network "In January 2011, the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services (HSS) recommended a lowering of the level of fluoride added to drinking water from a range of 0.7-1.2 ppm to 0.7 ppm. The recommendation was based on new survey data that found significantly high levels of dental fluorosis in adolescents: 41% of 12-15 year olds.
The public were given 30 days to submit comments on the proposal. That deadline has passed and HHS has extended the comment period to April 15. See Federal Register notice."
Fluoride is a toxic chemical which depletes iodine in the body leading to hypothyroidism. It also deactivates seritonin, which regulates mood. The recommendation to lower the percentage of fluoride in the water was based upon scientific studies, although many scientist and professionals, including dentists, say that fluoride should not be added to the water supply at all. Drinking water with fluoride in it does nothing beneficial for the teeth and has no other benefits for the human body. Fluoride has been used in the past as an insecticide and rodent poison.
|
|