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Anonymous #1

**** in the mail
    #14241099 - 04/05/11 10:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Lucy...possibly Molly, but more than likely Lucy

From someone whom I don't know IRL...

Whats the best way?
Send Cash? Paypal? M.O.?

Real addy and name? (to elimanate red flags at post office)

Empty house, fake name

Just looking for the SAFEST idea's out there...


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Re: **** in the mail [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #14241125 - 04/05/11 10:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Getting any schedule I is risky business.  If it is international then it certainly will go through customs.  You may need to sign depending on what the shipment method is, a fake address won't get it delivered anywhere, and a fake name would make it impossible to claim at a post office (if say it required signature and no one was home).

Customs is the real hurdle.  I've never imported anything above the lowest schedules, and if those get seized you just get the "love letter."  Unfortunately, I haven't heard of anyone getting schedule 1 drugs seized.  Packaging, origin, and shipment method are all integral to the success rate of making it through customs.

There are lots of resources on the web, but in the end it really only comes down to your source, how much you trust them, and how clever they are.


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Re: **** in the mail [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #14241164 - 04/05/11 10:51 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I dont know them, so therefore little to no trust...What about domestic shipping of said situation?

and whats this about lower scheduled "love letters"?


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Re: **** in the mail [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #14241167 - 04/05/11 10:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Little to no trust being whatever "that" sites rep/karma/etc ratings...


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Re: **** in the mail [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #14241608 - 04/05/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Buy a good fake ID and set up a PO box at a mailing company?

I found fakes at about $150-200, so thats alot of $$ to spend to get a box though, plus THAT cost....:shrug::mad2:


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Re: **** in the mail [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #14241661 - 04/05/11 12:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Find someone who's cool with a package coming to their house.  Have it come in their name ( make sure house is clean of course )  When it arrives write return to sender on it and leave it on a shelf or something.  Don't mess with it for a day or two, and after that I wouldn't worry and just open it.  As long as you don't do it every three days it won't raise much concern given the sender himself isn't already hot.


Send western union or money gram for payment DO NOT USE PAYPAL, idiots use paypal and it's retarded, why would you want a trail?  No checks, no credit ( if you do use credit cards get a green dot card that you put money on, and usea fake name or someone elses ), no cash ( no receipt ), and money orders are just a waste of time when you can western union it.


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Re: **** in the mail [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #14241737 - 04/05/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well, in that case why wouldnt I just receive the package and do that? why would a friend need to be involved...not trying to be a dick, just want all my angles examined...

losing the $$ isnt much of a concern, so cash would be best

anything else you can think of that'll help...

mailing it to an apt w/o an apt # on it ???? so its set aside then go and grab it??


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Re: **** in the mail [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #14241775 - 04/05/11 12:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous said:
Buy a good fake ID and set up a PO box at a mailing company?

I found fakes at about $150-200, so thats alot of $$ to spend to get a box though, plus THAT cost....:shrug::mad2:



Yes.

and Money gram


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Re: **** in the mail [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #14241799 - 04/05/11 01:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

will they run the lic #? or ask for more ID?

thats a lot of cash for a transaction or 2......hmmmm....


what about the idea of sending it to an apt complex  my buddy lives in w/ fake name and no apt #, they usually set that type out on top of box....

any more ideas out there?


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Re: **** in the mail [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #14242047 - 04/05/11 01:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What about paying a bum/crackhead to open a PO box at the PO? Whats the risks there?

I just dont know any of this shit, sorry


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Re: **** in the mail [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #14242346 - 04/05/11 02:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Why don't you just send it to a clean house and not worry about it?  Write return to sender on it, and if the cops come you, or they, don't know shit about the package.  Paying to open a P.O box for one package is totally sketchy, yes they ID for them, and if you have a crackhead do it, who knows what he may being watched for.


If you use an address of either a non drug user, or someone with no criminal record, THEY WILL BE HOME TO RECIEVE THE PACKAGE.  Having it left out in the open somewhere and then running and grabbing it?  Why does that even sound like a good idea?


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Re: **** in the mail [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #14242394 - 04/05/11 03:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Man, Im just looking for the best/safest/most effective way. Im open to all suggestions. Not saying one way is better or not...I have 1 brain, collectively, we have 50,000...

I just dont want me or a buddy to get a package with lucy and get it popped. Even if he/she is clean w/o a record, if the package has their name on it, they're gonna have to answer some questions.

I know there is a ton of risk involved, Im just trying to cut that risk down as far as I can, one way or another, set up so success is the greatest option, by far
:awethumb:

I guess Im hoping for some ideas that I havent thought of, or testimonials of what totally works, with absolutely no way my or a buddies name is even tied close to it...


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Re: **** in the mail [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #14242612 - 04/05/11 03:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Just get a PO box, preferably using an ID with an old address. They don't seem to check the name on mail, just the box number, so feel free to use nicknames, misspellings, initials, etc.

I'd be more concerned with making sure the payment is anonymous than anything else. A sheet of paper in an envelope isn't really a high profile package.


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Re: **** in the mail [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #14243330 - 04/05/11 06:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It should be ok to send paper in the mail, or small amounts of powder if it is packaged right.

I would just have it sent to your name, the reason being that there is a higher chance you will get it that way.  Often these sellers send it in a way that requires a signature so they can confirm that you got it.  If you can't sign for it the post office might open it, especially if it does not have a valid return address.  It is best if the mail is domestic, however customs does not open random letters that don't have anything unusual about them.

As far as the best way to pay, perhaps mailing cash or a money order is a good way.  Paypal works but leaves a permanent record.


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Re: **** in the mail [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #14245210 - 04/05/11 10:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous said:
I dont know them, so therefore little to no trust...What about domestic shipping of said situation?

and whats this about lower scheduled "love letters"?





If you order say 100 xanax from some international online pharmacy and customs inspects the pack and seizes it.  They send you a letter saying you broke this law and it can carry this penalty unless you have a prescription and they give you contact info and a case number.  If you do nothing and don't contact them they just destroy your stuff and nothing happens.  This is for small amounts. Getting busted importing 5000 xanax may raise an eyebrow.  As I said above, I don't know any instances of people have schedule 1 drugs seized (drugs that are illegal in every sense).  Benzos are schedule 4 and so nothing is done about it due to the volume of shit people illegally import.


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Re: **** in the mail [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #14246293 - 04/06/11 06:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks a lot you guys...Food for thought

Much appreciated :awethumb:


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Re: **** in the mail [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
    #14246663 - 04/06/11 09:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think I will make it a point to reply to your post since I have been experienced with this for many years, not only with lucy but with other substances.

In reference to the "love letters" spoken about above, I have a theory that a majority of them were the product of scammers, duplicating something that may have happened rarely (due to EXTREMELY poor packaging).

If you're going to get popped for what you did, whether you're doing it at a fake address, a PO box under a different name,  whatever it is - you will get popped when / after you pick up the parcel. This is only likely in circumstances where you have a very, very large amount of drugs coming in -- on this point, reference this article:

http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/kxan-austin-apd's-3rd-%22pot-by-mail%22-bust-of-week

Don't order absurd amounts. Keep it on personal levels. If you plan on doing this a lot, or have a reason not to put our home in jeopardy, I highly reccomend getting a service like a Private Mail Box (offered by UPS) in your name. I say in your name because if you were to say, as you did, hire a bum off of the street - he would actually have access to that mail box(first off), and in certain circumstances, unless you had proof of his identity, you wouldn't even be able to accept certain (legitimate!) packages.

You could, also, mail it to a friend's house - but for me, it realy comes down to being able to depend on that friend to deny any knowledge / understanding of the package or its contents. I can depend on myself for that better, hence why I don't bother mailing it to friend's addresses. If you can be sure they wouldn't tell the cops (and you can',t really) "Hey, I didn't know there was going to be 100 hits of LSD in there, I was simply accepting this mail for friend X. Go talk to him about it I don't want to sit in jail while you figure it out!"

This looks worse in court had the controlled delivery been to you and you were properly trained in making a (better) case for yourself.

Long story short, use your discretion, and know your source. If its a reputable vendor that you know deals with other clients, this is helpful. If they are accepting money from you they should be professional - you should know where they're shipping from. If it's somewhere like Amsterdam, or Iraq, or Pakistan, or Afghanistan (probably just to name a few) its most likely a bad idea. I've received probably hundreds of parcels (international and domestic) containing drugs with no problems.

Good luck in your journey. I hope you find a legit vendor, and I hope you're not paying more than 50-60 bucks on your first little trial orders. If a vendor has a large dollar minimum order your most likely getting scammed.:thumbdown:

I think a website  http://onlinepot.org might do you some good as well as http://safeorscam.com . The earlier posters reccomendation of writing "return to sender" upon receiving and waiting a number of days was good as well.

My answer would be yes to both, a real address and name (hopefully your own). A minor spelling error in your name is okay too (not enough to confuse the postal delivery person). Also, your best bet is to send cash in mail - WU is fine as well. There are some other paymen methods employed that I believe are anonymous too but those are the two I am exprienced with.


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Re: **** in the mail [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #14247170 - 04/06/11 12:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Very well written and helpful Anon5...All of you have been great. Id actually feel better doing a face to face (maybe, lol) or some sort of GPS drop, but that's a whole nother ballgame. Ive had something mailed to me (paper) and while it worked great, I was a nervous wreck the entire time in transit.

Obviously Id rather be out $200 than be on trial, so I was hoping there would be a method of completely eliminating any names what so ever. Be that me, or a friend, or a crackhead.

The vendors Ive found have been from EU or US, from differing places that nice people have been kind enough to introduce me to. They have good references but I just feel sooooo sketch having the a government entity being our middleman. I suppose though, its that or nothing.

On a side note, a budddy told me about his friend who was a real estate agent who would have shit shipped to houses he was listing :awethumb:

or maybe try and find a crooked mailman to cut in :facepalm:



THANKS AGAIN TO ALL
Love, Anon#1


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Re: **** in the mail [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #14247850 - 04/06/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I don't agree with the idea that most seizures are scam maneuvers.  First, every source I've used has provided tracking.  So if you see the parcel as "Inbound into customs..." and it stays there for weeks on end or you get the letter then obviously it was seized.  Many sources specifically use tracking as a way to determine a seizure if they do free reships in the event your stuff is snagged. 

Over the course of 8 years I've had 4 seizures and nothing ever came from any of them.  The packages included anabolic steriods, benzodiazepines, tramadol, marijuana seeds, and ketamine.  Unless the package had another item in it that doesn't break the law you won't get anything in the mail.  My seeds were sent in an ipod case and so the case was mailed and a big red customs sticker was on the box.  If you look at some of the really popular forums discussing IOPs you'll see people who have literally received dozens of them.  So I'm not inclined to believe in the address flagging either since I continued to receive things after seizures.  There is just too much mail for customs to inspect, and unless the packaging is done in an ignorant fashion or is very large, you have pretty good odds that it will never be looked at. 

If shipping matters, I've always had more luck with express mail.  Quite a few times it skipped customs altogether for some reason and I'd get the parcel in 3-4 days from shipment across the atlantic.  As for carriers other than USPS I don't have any experience.


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Re: **** in the mail [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #14252844 - 04/07/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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Why don't you just send it to a clean house and not worry about it?  Write return to sender on it, and if the cops come you, or they, don't know shit about the package.  Paying to open a P.O box for one package is totally sketchy, yes they ID for them, and if you have a crackhead do it, who knows what he may being watched for.


If you use an address of either a non drug user, or someone with no criminal record, THEY WILL BE HOME TO RECIEVE THE PACKAGE.  Having it left out in the open somewhere and then running and grabbing it?  Why does that even sound like a good idea?




Are there non-drug users and those without criminal records still residing in the states?:shrug:

I'd be curious as to whether there's precedent for the 'return to sender' and place on a shelf for a few days tactic, where that's been used as a successful defense in the courts.


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Re: **** in the mail [Re: numonkei]
    #14252929 - 04/07/11 12:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I'd be curious as to whether there's precedent for the 'return to sender' and place on a shelf for a few days tactic, where that's been used as a successful defense in the courts.


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Re: **** in the mail [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #14290686 - 04/14/11 03:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Quote:

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I'd be curious as to whether there's precedent for the 'return to sender' and place on a shelf for a few days tactic, where that's been used as a successful defense in the courts.


~Monk



:werd:




I've heard of LE repackaging shipments so that when they are open, LE gets a signal from the package, and the front door goes flying off the hinges - in this case it may be useful. This would probably only be applied to larger shipments worth expending the resources on though, on a 10 strip or somethin they'd probably just try to get you with a signature delivery.


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Re: **** in the mail [Re: c1dh3d]
    #14302350 - 04/16/11 05:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

time it so that it is delivered on Christmas eve. Maybe Easter eve.


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Re: **** in the mail [Re: maug]
    #14305811 - 04/17/11 11:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You technically shouldn't get anything more then a love letter. That's not to say they wouldn't watch whoever, depending on what it was. As to the actual seizure, you can't get charged. Anyone could of mailed it to you without your knowledge. At least this is how it is in the USA.


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Re: **** in the mail [Re: Felinor]
    #14306318 - 04/17/11 01:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

nah, you could have it in the Easter Eggs. People send presents to each other on holidays all the time. You could have it in candies or something too, and then just iron the wrapping closed again. You want to make sure it can survive an x-ray.


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