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fucking Heroin
    #14239196 - 04/04/11 10:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Little brother is 16 now, has struggled with a heroin addiction since 14, he was just a dumbass and didnt know what he was getting into. Was "supposedly" clean for the last 5 months, tonight he ended up getting arrested with a former really good friend of mine shooting up in his car.

I hate people who are all "my dr0ogz are better than you're dr0ogz", but i hate this drug so fucking much. I see my little brothers life crumbling before my eyes, and being the older brother it feels like the responsiblilty all falls on me for getting him off, since im on a different communication level with him than my parents are, but just like talking to any addict, it doesnt go anywhere unless the addict wants to quit.

i just have this sinking feeling were gunna get a call that he's dead one day.. so young and he is just dampening his oppurtunities so much its ridiculous.



/rant. know you guys dont really care but i have no other place to vent this stuff


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14239204 - 04/04/11 10:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

bummer bro...

at least hes still alive.

maybe this will wake him up.


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: rackem]
    #14239230 - 04/04/11 10:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Smack some fucking sense into him. Show him Erowid.

Hell, send him over to the Bluelight forums and make him read the Dark Side subforum. That will scare him straight when he reads post after post of people whose lives have been utterly obliterated by this piece of shit drug.

Drop 'cid with him and talk some sense into him. Or share a blunt and have a heart to heart talk with him. He shouldn't be going through this shit at that age, nor should he ever have to.


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: rackem]
    #14239237 - 04/04/11 10:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

That sucks, rehab?  A ton of my friends became junky losers, one just got out of a one year prison sentence and that cleaned him up.  Another was a functioning junky until one day he stole 2k from his old man and skipped town only to come back broke 2 weeks later and sent to rehab.  Crappy addiction when you're stealing from your parents but :shrug: heroin'll do that to ya.


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: sunset_mission]
    #14239246 - 04/04/11 10:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i have tripped with my brother, he's been to rehab twice, ive beaten the shit out of him, threatened his friends and litterally ignored him for a month to try and get him to stop. Its all up tohim, i try to help and shit just backfires.

fuck mang.


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14239264 - 04/04/11 10:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

heroine addiction is a bitch

dont give up and him bro.. keep doin what you gotta do.

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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14239271 - 04/04/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

There's nothing you can do.  I offered my friend to come stay with me for a semester at college for free just pay for food, easy girls, drink for free, live the fucking LIFE. no classes and etc. and he turned it down to sit at his house and do heroin :shrug:


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14239298 - 04/04/11 11:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Little brother is 16 now, has struggled with a heroin addiction since 14, he was just a dumbass and didnt know what he was getting into. Was "supposedly" clean for the last 5 months, tonight he ended up getting arrested with a former really good friend of mine shooting up in his car.

I hate people who are all "my dr0ogz are better than you're dr0ogz", but i hate this drug so fucking much. I see my little brothers life crumbling before my eyes, and being the older brother it feels like the responsiblilty all falls on me for getting him off, since im on a different communication level with him than my parents are, but just like talking to any addict, it doesnt go anywhere unless the addict wants to quit.

i just have this sinking feeling were gunna get a call that he's dead one day.. so young and he is just dampening his oppurtunities so much its ridiculous.



/rant. know you guys dont really care but i have no other place to vent this stuff


So young. :feelsbadman:


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14239304 - 04/04/11 11:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I know exactly how that feels OP. Happened to my dad, my cousins, and my uncle.

You should really just do what they do in the show intervention. Get all your family together in a room with him. Seriously and if he's only 16 he's still sensitive you know?


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14239315 - 04/04/11 11:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Little brother is 16 now, has struggled with a heroin addiction since 14, he was just a dumbass and didnt know what he was getting into. Was "supposedly" clean for the last 5 months, tonight he ended up getting arrested with a former really good friend of mine shooting up in his car.

I hate people who are all "my dr0ogz are better than you're dr0ogz", but i hate this drug so fucking much. I see my little brothers life crumbling before my eyes, and being the older brother it feels like the responsiblilty all falls on me for getting him off, since im on a different communication level with him than my parents are, but just like talking to any addict, it doesnt go anywhere unless the addict wants to quit.

i just have this sinking feeling were gunna get a call that he's dead one day.. so young and he is just dampening his oppurtunities so much its ridiculous.



/rant. know you guys dont really care but i have no other place to vent this stuff




has he ever tripped man? maybe you could introduce him to the better side of life.. :shrug:


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: The_Ghost]
    #14239317 - 04/04/11 11:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:sad: i know its family man.. i just cant stop imagining me, my other brother and two sisters all doing well and enjoying life and having decent jobs, and my one brother who could never quit the fix, got kicked out, lives on the streets.

idk man. I want to disembowl my friend and hang him from a lightpole but he just had a kid and has been struggling with H for 4 years now and it wouldnt help at all.

fuck mang. Drugs are fun but not when its a brothers life at stake..

and we;ve done the whole intervention thing before.. just seems to restart the cycle.

thanks for the kind words though guys :hug:


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: PreparationH]
    #14239320 - 04/04/11 11:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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There's nothing you can do.  I offered my friend to come stay with me for a semester at college for free just pay for food, easy girls, drink for free, live the fucking LIFE. no classes and etc. and he turned it down to sit at his house and do heroin :shrug:


Ill be your friend i want college chicks and free beer, Im poor i missed out on that scene. Wow your buddy was trippin out.
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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14239326 - 04/04/11 11:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

and yeah he has tripped both with and without me. Ive fed him shrooms and lucy and i get him bud from the clinic all the time, i got hiim edibles for free when he had tonsilitus so he could still get high and play video games but no matter what he just goes back to H


fuck man. Me and my sister are such postiive psychedelic influences on him and he just doesnt go with it.


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14239330 - 04/04/11 11:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

that's tough man. i don't know what your guys' relationship is like, have you tried tougher love at all..?


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: owls]
    #14239338 - 04/04/11 11:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

How did he get into Heroin in the first place, and at such a young age?

Also, off-topic: that's pretty awesome that you trip with your siblings.


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: sunset_mission]
    #14239362 - 04/04/11 11:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

well basically there was a massive "group" of stoners in our area that all new eachother, basically, half got into heroin,and the other half knew better than to do that. He hid it from me really well for a long while, until he was really addicted. I found out, punched him in the stomach. gave him tough love, than we both took a tab and spent the day blazing together and hiking and he said he would stop but a few weeks late rhe's back at it

and yeah ive fed acid and shrooms to all my brothers and siters except my younges sister who's a HS frwshman this year, she'll join the clan soon though.

damn, my sisters a burner, im a shroomerite and my other brothr is just getting into the psychedelic scene... i dunno how this brother went wrong.

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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14239423 - 04/04/11 11:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Rough stuff man. Best of luck


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: Johnnybones]
    #14239434 - 04/04/11 11:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah fuzzhead best of luck man. I lost a really good friend to heroin. And he was younger than me. I saw his life deteriorate before my eyes. Its quite a fucked up drug.


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: masterfluffypants] * 1
    #14239446 - 04/04/11 11:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I too wish you nothing but the best of luck... and to your brother too, I hope he realizes that he may love this drug.. but the drug will never love him. It will only destroy everything he truly loves.


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: masterfluffypants]
    #14239448 - 04/04/11 11:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:heart: still fully stand behind legalization across the boards.


thanks for the love guys. needed it. Back to optimistic realfuzzhead


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: sunset_mission]
    #14239450 - 04/04/11 11:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well said


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: masterfluffypants]
    #14239455 - 04/04/11 11:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Speaking of which. I just realized that ive been sober for like 2 months now. Hahahahaha.


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14239457 - 04/04/11 11:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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:heart: still fully stand behind legalization across the boards.


thanks for the love guys. needed it. Back to optimistic realfuzzhead




No problem dude. Gotta look out for ze familia. :aum:


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: masterfluffypants]
    #14239460 - 04/04/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

trust me when i say addicts want to quit. They always know what there doing on some level isnt right. The problem is making the first move to being clean. At least in my experience and observing other friends. We would even talk about how fucked up this is among our selves. And how we want to be clean.

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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: masterfluffypants]
    #14239465 - 04/04/11 11:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

?!!?!?! well if you wanna :stoned: hitmeup mang. You know where i live :awesome:


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14239471 - 04/04/11 11:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Forrrrsssuuurrreeeeee manggg. Yeah we should kick it again. I didnt realize how close you lived hahaha.


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: masterfluffypants]
    #14239494 - 04/04/11 11:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

sounds good wednesday ima be frying so if you wanna come by and listen to ramble about the qualms of the universe you gots my # !


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: masterfluffypants]
    #14239496 - 04/04/11 11:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Awesome, you guys have hung out before? realfuzzhead, we still gotta siph like 420 blunts one day in one sitting dude, don't forget that :awehigh:


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: sunset_mission]
    #14239502 - 04/04/11 11:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

haha forget? dude its my goal to smoke with as many shroomerites as possible, ive blazed with like 3 or 4 sofar. and yeah Masterfulffy lives like 15 miles from me, cool stuff mang


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: sunset_mission]
    #14239510 - 04/04/11 11:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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sounds good wednesday ima be frying so if you wanna come by and listen to ramble about the qualms of the universe you gots my # !




Haha that sounds down :laugh: i'll see what im doing then.

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Awesome, you guys have hung out before? realfuzzhead, we still gotta siph like 420 blunts one day in one sitting dude, don't forget that :awehigh:




Haha yeah we live like 20 min from eachother. I had brought that dry ass nug of kush that lasted for like 14 hits hahahaha


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: sunset_mission]
    #14239516 - 04/04/11 11:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Dude justco cain and abel and kill his ass.
hes obviously alifelong addict and is gonna use forever no matter what "rock bottom" is.
But really though, would it be better to see him suffer for a moment or his entire life?


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: shroomie_glen]
    #14239521 - 04/04/11 11:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I don't think he'd kill his brother, and that's pretty disrespectful to suggest that. :dumbass:


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: shroomie_glen]
    #14239550 - 04/04/11 11:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Dude justco cain and abel and kill his ass.
hes obviously alifelong addict and is gonna use forever no matter what "rock bottom" is.
But really though, would it be better to see him suffer for a moment or his entire life?





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lol. kill my bro. and i can see the whole lifelong addict thing,  but i dont thinki killing him is any better for him or me


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14239553 - 04/04/11 11:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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:sad: i know its family man.. i just cant stop imagining me, my other brother and two sisters all doing well and enjoying life and having decent jobs, and my one brother who could never quit the fix, got kicked out, lives on the streets.

idk man. I want to disembowl my friend and hang him from a lightpole but he just had a kid and has been struggling with H for 4 years now and it wouldnt help at all.

fuck mang. Drugs are fun but not when its a brothers life at stake..

and we;ve done the whole intervention thing before.. just seems to restart the cycle.

thanks for the kind words though guys :hug:




I know exactly how you feel.  My sister has been a junkie on and off for the past 10 years.  She has been sober for about 7 1/2 months now.  I hate to tell you this but the only person that can change this situation is your brother.  Until he is ready, anything you say or do to try and deter him will not work.  The event that helped my sister turn around was being raped at a party when she was nodding.  It kills me to even think about it.  She still goes to NarcAnon a few times a week and I think it helps her.  I just hope she stays on that track.  I wish you the best of luck.  It is a bitch, but you have to wait it out with your bro and hope that he makes the right decisions.  Good luck.


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #14239569 - 04/04/11 11:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:hug: thanks man.

just talked to my brother. Told himm not gunna kick is ass or talk shit to him, i know he's going through enough.


He turned to me and gave me the most sincere "sorry" ive heard in my life. Idk how those words hit me like that but damn.

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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead] * 1
    #14239585 - 04/04/11 11:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

They let him go I'm guessing?

Hopefully this event will help him. At that age he's in he barely has any responsibilities so it's alot easier for one to just slip into a fucking-around state like that and not worry about consequences.

Until it's too late of course. Like I said dude, tell him that while he may love heroin like crazy, is it there for him when he most needs it? Is it the brother who will look out for him always? Or the sister who will make sure he gets some good food? Or the family who will love him?

No. It's fucking junk that will show you a false Heaven and a genuine Hell.

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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14239588 - 04/04/11 11:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

that's awesome dude. cheers :thumbup:


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: sunset_mission]
    #14239595 - 04/05/11 12:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

words of wisdom kind friend of mine. I will definitely keep all this in mind while having a deep convo with him.

he's out. and i can feel the shame radiating from his body, he knows how bad he just let down the people in his life, ima just let him sulk and try and cheer him up until he gets to a more stable state to be confronted in


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14239606 - 04/05/11 12:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I hope for the best. I know how hard that shit can be to quit. Ive had many people in my life who are slaves to H. I hope he can clean up his act. I know its possible


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14239615 - 04/05/11 12:06 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Two things I wanted to comment on:

Quote:

realfuzzhead said:just like talking to any addict, it doesnt go anywhere unless the addict wants to quit.




You obviously know what you are dealing with here.  So you probably have the best perspective of anyone that is trying to help him.  Just keep a level head and remember what you already know if/when you get frustrated.

Quote:


i just have this sinking feeling were gunna get a call that he's dead one day.. so young and he is just dampening his oppurtunities so much its ridiculous.




As natural as this feeling is, I urge you to hold hope.  If the addict sees that everyone thinks he is going to fail, then he has no reason to do any different.  As tough as it is, I think you have to be the rock for him.  Keep it real and keep him accountable for his actions, ... most important, let him know that you care.

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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14239616 - 04/05/11 12:06 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Honestly... just go give him a really big fucking :hug: and then :getstoned:

In whichever order you prefer.

tell him that see? Unlike heroin, I don't cause you to get arrested and nearly fuck up your life/your veins/your dignity. You only assist in :feelsgoodman: and :feelshighman: as a proper brother should.


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: masterfluffypants]
    #14239618 - 04/05/11 12:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

heroin and opiates are a scourge.

fuck that shit, its like a terminal disease.

seriously....try to toke him up (weed) as much as possible to keep him occupied. i have seen it work.


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: Leanin]
    #14239627 - 04/05/11 12:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I had so many chances to do heroin before. Im glad my mind was strong and refused. It feels so weird being around people while they are doing it. Like youre assisting the most heinous of crimes.


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14239631 - 04/05/11 12:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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realfuzzhead said:
:hug: thanks man.

just talked to my brother. Told himm not gunna kick is ass or talk shit to him, i know he's going through enough.


He turned to me and gave me the most sincere "sorry" ive heard in my life. Idk how those words hit me like that but damn.

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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #14239646 - 04/05/11 12:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I have a little brother(16) too. I know what it's like to watch the brother you love make bad choices with stupid people... It hurts a lot being the older brother watching someone u would die for doing such things.

I hope he gets clean and you will e there for him. Much love mate.


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #14239660 - 04/05/11 12:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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physicist said:
Quote:

realfuzzhead said:
:hug: thanks man.

just talked to my brother. Told himm not gunna kick is ass or talk shit to him, i know he's going through enough.


He turned to me and gave me the most sincere "sorry" ive heard in my life. Idk how those words hit me like that but damn.

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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14239682 - 04/05/11 12:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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realfuzzhead said:
Little brother is 16 now, has struggled with a heroin addiction since 14, he was just a dumbass and didnt know what he was getting into. Was "supposedly" clean for the last 5 months, tonight he ended up getting arrested with a former really good friend of mine shooting up in his car.

I hate people who are all "my dr0ogz are better than you're dr0ogz", but i hate this drug so fucking much. I see my little brothers life crumbling before my eyes, and being the older brother it feels like the responsiblilty all falls on me for getting him off, since im on a different communication level with him than my parents are, but just like talking to any addict, it doesnt go anywhere unless the addict wants to quit.

i just have this sinking feeling were gunna get a call that he's dead one day.. so young and he is just dampening his oppurtunities so much its ridiculous.



/rant. know you guys dont really care but i have no other place to vent this stuff




I didn't start wanting to quit from my addiction until about a year and a half
ago... I've been clean since October, which is a miracle for me (having been
addicted for many years..)

I'm sorry to hear about your brother...
Condolences are about all one can give,
since advice is easy, but follow through
is difficult.

just love.
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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: Todcasil]
    #14239728 - 04/05/11 12:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ya'll are the shit. dunno whatd id do without the fellow shroomerites. Heroins a nasty drug, thank god ive never tried it, god knows id be in the same postitiion as him.

Spread the love people. Ima do my best to be there for him and ill keep the bowls packed :happyweed: and see where life takes us


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14239744 - 04/05/11 12:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm sorry to hear about your brother, man.

I treat heroin like every other drug I've come across...it's something powerful that could easily suck me in to its world and swallow me whole. As soon as I say to myself "Man, this is fucked, I'm never touching this stuff again" I know all I'm doing is making the reward seem so much better.

Since your bro is so far down the hole, I think your approach should be harm reduction. Do what you can to make sure he's being careful with his doses and not doing stupid shit like sharing needles. Help him find some legit work so he doesn't steal for a fix. Shit like that will help keep him alive and hopefully out of prison, and maybe one day he'll just grow out of it.


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: Synesthetic]
    #14239792 - 04/05/11 12:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ive watched a few friends i considered brothers die and go to prison from meth. There wasnt much i could do besides tell them them and show them that it wasnt impossible to overcome the drug.

Although i hear H is more addicting physically i doubt its much less harmful.
Not much you can do if your brother dont respect what you say you much though.
Aside from showing him that its a overcomeable addiction and maybe the result is death or prison.

Best of luck though.


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: DarkMatterOfFact]
    #14239806 - 04/05/11 12:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

My brother told my sister that there are three paths.  "One year from now you will be dead, in jail, or sober."  Those were some sobering words.


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14239842 - 04/05/11 01:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Dude I feel you on that but for me it was my father.  Because of his drug use and his actions trying to get the drugs, he's been in prison most of his life.  Granted that I'm older now I see the flaws in the system and wish drug addiction was seen as a health issue rather than a criminal one. 

I don't know if he's been able to quit but last time I saw him he was out on probation and we were in az visiting him.  I made the unfortunate discovery of finding the tourniquet in the garbage and showed my mother.  She told me that even though he was still using, he quit for the week while we were there.  Hes unfortunately back in prison only due to priors even after the other charges got dropped(hate maricopa county). 

I do have hopes for your brother and my father but I think the only way to help is to help them understand they don't need to be around the enablers that give/have access to their dependencies.  At least thats what I think.  Hope you have luck with him man, because I believe that you could help him more than a parent or friend.:sun:

Also if I ever had the chance again I'd tell him that I'd rather see him Light up a bowl and share it with him or so something that broadens his mind.  I just wish I could convince him to change his "highs" :/


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: runningfox2002]
    #14239883 - 04/05/11 01:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

how does your brother financially support his habit?

i've never known addicts to use only 1 bag a day unless they were trying to quit.  even if he's buying bundles we're still talking like 150-200$ a month minimum.  I didn't have that kind of money when i was a kid.

also, i would imagine a 16 year old would get the shittiest most expensive stuff imaginable/robbed alot.

I couldn't support a heroin addiction now i don't think. Buying in bulk you just end up using more.


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: shroomie_glen]
    #14240639 - 04/05/11 08:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Dude justco cain and abel and kill his ass.
hes obviously alifelong addict and is gonna use forever no matter what "rock bottom" is.
But really though, would it be better to see him suffer for a moment or his entire life?




I am so so SO incredibly sorry and genuinely apologetic for saying this....
I was very deep into a bottle of Tequila andfeeling froggy to say the least.
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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: shroomie_glen]
    #14240660 - 04/05/11 08:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well, never been good with words..

But, isnt it like, You could put a lot of energy into something, and still enjoy it, but, what is the use, when that same energy is already amassing itself in its own time line?

You actually dont even have to answer, just think about it.

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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: DarkMatterOfFact]
    #14240883 - 04/05/11 09:28 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It is a difficult substance. I struggled with dope addiction from 15-22, four hospitalizations, countless OD's, permanent nerve damage.

Now completely clean, at least from habitual use of anything other than tobacco, but wake up calls don't always work like that. It's not that uncommon to be making plans to dose while still in the hospital recovering from an OD. I never intended to quit, it just happened.

Have you considered approaching him about methadone or buprenorphine maintenance? They can work wonders and have saved many lives.



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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14241071 - 04/05/11 10:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I know what you mean.  I have the same type of communication thing with my brother.  We haven't had to deal with heroin addiction, or even heroin (thankfully), but we have had our bumps that I felt 100% responsible for helping him get through. 

YOU HAVE TO TALK TO HIM.  You will get through to him on levels your parents would never be able to.  Talk to him.  You won't get immediate results but you need to at least give your say.  He's gonna do what he wants, but if he knows your looking after him and trying to help him and giving him advice and stuff he might get a different outlook on it.  With my brother, my mother could tell him one thing and then I could go tell him the same thing and hell understand it when I say it.


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: Funguspants]
    #14241212 - 04/05/11 11:00 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

good advice guys. feels good to know other people can relate, he's obviously started to detox/ start w/d's now. I gots plenty of weed and i told him my stash is open to him whenever he wants, if itll make him feel better.

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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14241227 - 04/05/11 11:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

heroin is a :feelsbadman: type of drug.


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14241268 - 04/05/11 11:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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realfuzzhead said:
Little brother is 16 now, has struggled with a heroin addiction since 14, he was just a dumbass and didnt know what he was getting into. Was "supposedly" clean for the last 5 months, tonight he ended up getting arrested with a former really good friend of mine shooting up in his car.

I hate people who are all "my dr0ogz are better than you're dr0ogz", but i hate this drug so fucking much. I see my little brothers life crumbling before my eyes, and being the older brother it feels like the responsiblilty all falls on me for getting him off, since im on a different communication level with him than my parents are, but just like talking to any addict, it doesnt go anywhere unless the addict wants to quit.

i just have this sinking feeling were gunna get a call that he's dead one day.. so young and he is just dampening his oppurtunities so much its ridiculous.



/rant. know you guys dont really care but i have no other place to vent this stuff



as a junky i do care

and this is very sad

u know

he will die from it

he need help bad

thats too young man

his brain developed along side a heroin addiciton

this is gonna be one difficult case of addiction

he needs help ASAP

he's too young to want it for himself. that probly wont come till his twenties once he sees wat hes lost

i hope im wrong

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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: Apostle]
    #14242014 - 04/05/11 01:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:sad:  hopeless would be a good way to describe how i feel right now. Even if we get him off it now, its always gunna be there for him. He's only 16, and he doesnt realize how good life is for him now.

whats he guna do when life starts piling ontop of him? when he needs a job.. to go to college.. to get a car idk mang.

Thats why i fucking hate heroin, its ALWAYS gunna be there for him.


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14242026 - 04/05/11 01:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

yea

to be honest


its gonna take alot of hard work

a tradgedy, really


i'll pray for you and your family


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: Apostle]
    #14242058 - 04/05/11 01:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:sad:

that what it feels like man. Like, i know he is truly sorry and he'll go through the motions of rehab and what not, but when i move out up state and my other sister moves out and my dad's gunna be 76-80 YO and he isnt gunna have the will power nor time nor energy to watch what he is doing and my mom works all day..

dman. i just cant seem to add this equation up to a positive result..


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14242092 - 04/05/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Sucks man...I dunno what to say really, i think the best
thing to do now is to just talk to him, be there for him,
help him to not get into the usual shit addiction gets
people into,it's all about damage-control now, he must
want to quit and only he can get over it...until then I
don't think that anybody can get him to really quit...

Not to be rude, but does he have any psychological problems?
a lot of people medicate their problems away, I know I
did, maybe there is an underlying cause to his addiction,
or is heroin really that strong a drug?


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14242095 - 04/05/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

im sorry man


my best advice would be to just live your life then

all junkies hit a point where they want to clena up

most dont make it and relapse somthing over 90%

but some do

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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: 13.step]
    #14242109 - 04/05/11 02:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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13.step said:
Sucks man...I dunno what to say really, i think the best
thing to do now is to just talk to him, be there for him,
help him to not get into the usual shit addiction gets
people into,it's all about damage-control now, he must
want to quit and only he can get over it...until then I
don't think that anybody can get him to really quit...

Not to be rude, but does he have any psychological problems?
a lot of people medicate their problems away, I know I
did, maybe there is an underlying cause to his addiction,
or is heroin really that strong a drug?





he has always been really anti-social. And he has been known to have extreme anger issues, but both of those seemed to kinda go away around the time he started using. Wierd.. never really thought of that before. But as a child he had the worst temper ive ever seen and really didnt have any friends..

I think damage control is the right thin to do... idk man thinking about how hard he is gunna have it later in life makes me want to be super succesfull so i could at least get him a job later on if he decides to stay clean..


thanks hologram. Ill keep ma chin up


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead] * 1
    #14242110 - 04/05/11 02:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Buy some ibogaine off the net and trip sit him, if he's gonna have a kid it's prolly a decent idea...


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: Grapefruit]
    #14242117 - 04/05/11 02:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

no he isnt gunna have a kid, my ex friend who he was cuaght with is gnna have a kid. And i fucking hate that guy right now, i want to rip out his entrails and hang him from a bridge, so im just gunna avoid him at all costs.


as far as my bro goes, ibogaine would actually be a good idea.


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    #14242202 - 04/05/11 02:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Tough break Realfuzzhead. I know what its like to have a close family member struggle with addiction. You're right when you say the only person who can make a change is the addict. You gotta keep trying to get through to him, though. Even if it feels like you might as well be talking to a brick wall.


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14242271 - 04/05/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Be really careful with the ibogaine, it's really seems to help a huge lot
(for a couple of months at least) but there are also big risks associated
with it, do your homework real good if you decide to go down that road

Also try to get him to a counselor or something like that, he
sounds like he has some issues, or talk to him about it, maybe
he'll open up and tell you what he is running away from, that
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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: Toltecatl]
    #14242282 - 04/05/11 02:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

didn't read the whole thread, but send his ass to jail. it'll be like rehab. hell, i could've quit cigs permanently after i stayed in jail for a month.


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #14244083 - 04/05/11 08:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

take him to peru, cook him some ayahusaca?  I've also heard about ibogaine being used to treat opiate addiction.


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14244154 - 04/05/11 08:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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take him to Peru, cook him some ayahuasca?  I've also heard about ibogaine being used to treat opiate addiction.




Large dose of DMT might scare him straight.


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14244164 - 04/05/11 08:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

how did he get arrested shooting up in a car? was he being stupid and attracting attention?

Either way that is way too young to be dealing with this sort of thing already, he will probably have to endure probation that will send him to rehab


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: misled]
    #14244252 - 04/05/11 08:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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take him to Peru, cook him some ayahuasca?  I've also heard about ibogaine being used to treat opiate addiction.




Large dose of DMT might scare him straight.



i dont get when ppl say this

i got my mind blown on dmt then shot up on the come down


i kinda see wat ur getting at but even IF it does work it will probably be temporary

much like all the other sensations you think you'll be able to take with u after the trip but dont

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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: Apostle]
    #14244375 - 04/05/11 08:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

All addicts need to truly bottom out before they can get clean.

Suboxone will give him some clarity, but won't fix the problem. it allows you to come to back reality, so I would look into that.


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #14245366 - 04/05/11 11:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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how did he get arrested shooting up in a car? was he being stupid and attracting attention?

Either way that is way too young to be dealing with this sort of thing already, he will probably have to endure probation that will send him to rehab





i guess if you do it enough times one time things line up you get caught. He's only 16 so he doesnt have a pad to do it at.

he actually looks really good today, not in his bed sick or all moody or anything. Bought him an edible from the dispensary today, i know alot of H addicts who did so much H they began to not like the THC high at all. Thats terrible because once your at that point, you dont even have the luxury or still having some sort of intoxicant to smoke pleasurably. Its either alcohol, other drugs or sobriety. im glad he still likes weed


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14248927 - 04/06/11 05:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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how did he get arrested shooting up in a car? was he being stupid and attracting attention?

Either way that is way too young to be dealing with this sort of thing already, he will probably have to endure probation that will send him to rehab





i guess if you do it enough times one time things line up you get caught. He's only 16 so he doesnt have a pad to do it at.







It just seems odd that he would just encounter the police while thats happening. It is pretty inconspicuous is it not?

Your story has kind of a lot of vagueness in it, just trying to help


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #14248944 - 04/06/11 06:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

? vague as seems appropriate on a forum, theyhad just got done shooting up in his friends car and got pulled over. NOticed they were both fucked up and found the rig and what not


brother seems to be detoxing fine and whatnot


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14249053 - 04/06/11 06:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

That's some serious stuff. I might sound a bit rude but a shock treatment is the best option IMHO.

Just close him somewhere he can't run away for a week. Feed him as he needs but most important nurture him and show you're really worried about his condition. Otherwise you'll be fooling him and yourself.

There's no "magic" drug for heroin addicts. Consuming heroin is a culture in itself and must be purged first. Then you can use some substance people are referring and show him the way. But first, do the hard cleansing. Really, it's the only way.

Btw, he might be lying when he says he's not consuming. Be aware of that.

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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: MAIA]
    #14249098 - 04/06/11 06:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

parents dont really have the means to lock him in a room for a week, thatd probably be rehab. he's getting drug tested now and has to go to meetings and im talking to him and having friends talk to him and just let him know that he has a grip of people supporting him, once again says he is done but you never know..


he is grounded though.. cant leave the house but can still play video games and what not


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14249147 - 04/06/11 06:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

That's a good start. But he's so damn young man ... I really get sad when "heroin stories" like this affect people at this age.

The people I know that really stop using that shit were treated seriously in the "hard way". If family and friends can't achieve a good outcome a traumatic experience is the only way. Believe me, I've seen it. The pain, the frustration, the patience. All of this must come to an end in some way or another. I really hope the best for you, your brother and your family.

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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: MAIA]
    #14249184 - 04/06/11 06:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:cheers: thanks mang

wierd trying to talk to someone about H when ive never used it or other opiates.



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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: MAIA]
    #14249270 - 04/06/11 07:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I feel for ya man. Maybe you can try to show him the documentary of "Ben: The diary of a heroin addict"

The guy was hardcore addicted to heroin for a few years, but through these years he videotaped his life and family. You can literally see the damage it was doing to him, like the pics of meth addicts. The documentary ends with him admitting himself to rehab, going clean for no more then a few days, then dying of a brain hemorrhage the night before getting into rehab.

Hopefully it would shake him up a bit. Seeing someone going through that life firsthand, and seeing what lies ahead of him on that path.


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: Revolutionst]
    #14249305 - 04/06/11 07:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I feel for ya man. Maybe you can try to show him the documentary of "Ben: The diary of a heroin addict"

The guy was hardcore addicted to heroin for a few years, but through these years he videotaped his life and family. You can literally see the damage it was doing to him, like the pics of meth addicts. The documentary ends with him admitting himself to rehab, going clean for no more then a few days, then dying of a brain hemorrhage the night before getting into rehab.

Hopefully it would shake him up a bit. Seeing someone going through that life firsthand, and seeing what lies ahead of him on that path.




:thumbup:

Btw, never used opiates myself as well. Tried most stuff but that. It scares the bejesus out of me. Seen friends go down the hole and it ain't pretty. The fucking worst stuff to be addicted to IMHO. Along with nicotine that is ...


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: MAIA]
    #14249474 - 04/06/11 07:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i'm sorry to ask again, but could you explain where he got the money to become a heroin addict?


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14249499 - 04/06/11 07:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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he is grounded though.. cant leave the house but can still play video games and what not




(don't take this the wrong way...just a bit of humor to lighten he mood) just make sure those games he plays doesn't include guitar hero...bc it might make him move to heroin hero :p

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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: runningfox2002]
    #14249634 - 04/06/11 08:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

u guys and ur evil heroin :coaster:


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: tk3]
    #14250122 - 04/06/11 09:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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i'm sorry to ask again, but could you explain where he got the money to become a heroin addict?



''works for my dad doing landscaping and other random work around the house, probably hustles his friends a little bit too idk mang


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Re: fucking Heroin [Re: Coaster]
    #14250136 - 04/06/11 09:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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u guys and ur evil heroin :coaster:



you shamless whore

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